What does Hillary's lack of crowds mean?

There has been discussion recently about the swelling size of Obama's crowds and the ever-shrinking size of Hillary's crowds.

Of course, this corresponds with the candidates' relative popularity, but the enormous size of the disparity between their crowds suggests something at play beyond the great enthusiasm for Obama's campaign versus the waining interest in Hillary's campaign.

One key factor in the extraordinary difference in the size of their crowds is the result of Hillary's decision to cut her campaign staff to the barest minimum so that she can try to campaign and continue to raise money while spending as little money as possible so that as much of the little money she continues to raise as possible can be dedicated to retiring her massive personal debt to her own campaign.

People ask why Hillary persists when she's already lost, and why does she continue to flame up division in the Democratic Party.

The simplest explanation is that Hillary does not wish to end the campaign while she owes it so much money, and to raise funds in order to reduce that debt at a time when she has no prospect of winning, she must maximize the divisiveness and boost the resentment among her remaining supporters as a fund-raising tool.

Clearly, she's not running for VP (she'd be a poor VP and she's not adequately diminishing her intentionally divisive campaign comments for that to be her scheme).

Possibly she's trying to handicap the party to set up a 2012 run (her actions are clearly consistent with that explanation, but there is a simpler explanation that does not require the conclusion that she is working against the Democratic nominee, which is a conclusion I'd personally prefer not to acknowledge).

A better explanation is that Hillary spent money that she now regrets spending and she's putting on a show and exploiting her remaining supporters' disappointment at backing the losing candidate to raise those funds which will minimize the effect of her poor decision to loan so much of her own personal fortune to feed her doomed campaign.

What do you think?

HRC's fund raising not spunky either these days. And what was that post about a load of SDs in California jumping ship.

It is not just those who support Obama, it's also those supporting being practical and facing reality.

Enough is enough! :thumbsdown:

At least around here.

:dem:

Everybody comes to see Bill but it seems his handlers got him hidden away somewhere 'cause I ain't heard him talkin' shit on the news much lately which is a shame. Every time he opened his mouth Obama's poll ratings would go up 5% :rofl:

she is obviously the second most popular democrat right now.
she is an effective and powerful legislator.

she would without a doubt strengthen the ticket and the administration.

The Left Arm of PNAC.

She will represent the banks and the military industrial complex before serving the interests of We the People, though, she might thow us a bone or two.

At least with Obama and someone like Edwards as VP, we have a chance to (sort of) repair this democratic republic, or at least slow down the progress of Big Brother.

Hillary came off the plane waving at no one. Whether people hadn't been notified or didn't show, I don't know. The poster just said that there was no one to wave TO.

Thanks to the Hillary team for turning the most promising political season, in the most crucial of times, into a big fat fucking nightmare. No matter what is said here or elsewhere, Hillary Clinton will never be forgiven.

and the voters are chowing down instead of going to her rallies.

Who didn't get to be the head cheerleader ... or the track star ... who didn't make the debate team ... who didn't get the solo in the concert choir's big show ... So NOW she's going to PAY for her own pretend win and dance and sing and rant and rave AND make a complete fool out of herself ... her family ... waste their money ... exploit her remaining friends .... and burn every single bridge until everyone gets that she was always the best one AND she should have REALLY REALLY had all those things ...

Well, I'm sure Gore thinks he should have won ... and KERRY thinks he should have won ... and so on and so on and so on ... somebody gets to win and somebody comes in second .... that's just the way it is ... AFTER the 11 losses she should have bowed out for the good of ALL concerned and gotten behind the candidate ...

Is this about our country and what's best for ALL ... or is this just about HILLARY wanting to get her WAY? ... cause I can't stand the sight of her at this point ...

Lack of ground support.

It takes a lot of work to coordinate these events and get the word out.

it takes money to set up shop, and she doesn't have it

the last several lears since he left the presidency).

If she dipped into her own pocket as deeply as the kid who sold his bike to givr her money, she could afford a whole army of ground troops, but she's no longer "in it to win it;" she in it to raise enough funds so that her campaign can repay her personal loan to the campaign.

... and the winning, and the beating me." :-)

:shrug:

...can't find their way to her rallies?

....forgot to attend?

.....stayed home to watch American Idol?

:shrug:

If she only talks to small groups, everyone can get in and out in 5 minutes. Obama seeks popularity (except where votes are concerned) because he gets a sadistic thrill out of seeing people standing in long lines.

could draw the crowds and afford the venues, she's too polite to hold a large rally?

Interesting. She is truly the martyr, isn't she?

She's never really gone above the initial support she started with...around 48-49 percent..her negatives have INCREASED, she's in debt.. she's promising stuff she KNOWS she cannot deliver..

Her whole campaign sputtered from the beginning, and any OTHER candidate would have been shown the door in early Feb.


the only REAL primaries she won were the ones involving her state (NY) and the surrounding ones...on that one day.. CA was "scammy" (1/3 to 1/2 of TOTAL votes cast in the primary were early votes/absentee before anyone even knew Obama)

NH was a "weepy" close call
NV was a "win" but she lost in delegates

every race after McCain was named included "fake" votes
TX,OH,PA,IN,RI

WV & KY were thanks to racists & "fakers" who will vote for McCain in Nov

So where exactly WAS her tremendous support?? which states did she win BIG?? for REAL??

arrange and publicize the events. MSNBC discussed this the other night.

Despite the fact that she raised $21million in April, she is still massively in debt. And we thought Bush Jr was bad.

ONE: The money—

The debt issue mixed in with the inability to raise huge numbers to remotely offset it is crushing her “ground troops”—the people whose job it is to get out there and pump a region for crowds. That costs money, and money is in short supply for Team Clinton right about now.

TWO: As Robert DeNiro snarled in “The Untouchables”, Enthusiam, or really, the lack of it.

Beyond the toxicity of the messaging to states like WV and KY, there is no compelling message to get large, broad-based crowds to her events. It has become apparent to many that the race is in many ways, over—and that we're in “garbage time”. People have been hit in the head over “The Math” (the 2025 delegate number and Obama's daily pick-ups of SDs and big-name endorsements) so much that even her best efforts to re-spin it so late in the game have not taken. She has her hard-“core” of supporters, but the big-event “happening” crowds are not there because sadly, she is no longer a “big” event in the eyes of the public. You add that in with her too-often less-than-stellar speaking style and that spells smallish crowds.

Hillary can keep going, but it's over and her supporters know it.

No one wants to go see the loser who cannot admit she is beat.

Haven't a lot of her campaign workers close to her flown the coop?

Sorta changes the meaning doesn't it?

I'm not kidding.

That's just poor timing.

with my Nap-time........ and I need to get ready for Sizzler
after my nap. It sorta of pisses on my whole day.


I can make fun of my own age too!

although i see alot of middle aged folk in obamas crowds, i am 51 and if he came close to me i would go. also they keep saying her people are low paid working class they don't have money for gas? of course then you could say that about all the kids at obama's...then again with the $$ we give our college kid they have $!!!!!!

and it was funny.

The yawn, the head rub and the nose pick.

go back and look!

and the public knows it, she's run out of money and has no advance team to promote her rallies.

no one wants to see the loser

it also means she has no money to pay people to drum up phony support
it also means she is losing support among the people who attend political rallies

but it basically means that obama is the nominee!

that the candidate has?

You need to keep up with your Hillary Math lessons. Sheesh.