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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:04 AM Original message |
Its not about a fight at the Convention, its about not having a Nominee until the Convention |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
1. Then both Obama and Clinton should drop out, so we can nominate a "generic Democrat" that could win |
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spinbaby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. We could nominate anyone |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Maybe a turnip, but probably not Obama or Clinton. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. especially when there are 3 more months of hate spewed on both of them |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Gore/Edwards '08 |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. ahhh, so piss off 90% of the dems instead of 50% of the dems? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. More like 25%. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. come on MNDemNY, think a little |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. You'd rather ride the "High Horse" to defeat??? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. no, Id rather ride the candidate who won most of the primaries and delegates |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Running either Clinton or Obama, also has "ramifications":President McCain, or worse. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
75. Good points. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. how about we finish the primaries and go with the winner??? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. No winner 'till the delegates vote. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. why? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Delagates can and do change thier minds. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. so because of the off chance that a few delegates change their minds |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. If that's what it takes to get a nominee that can win, yes. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. What if it takes until December? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Convention over well before that. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. how will 3 more months of infighting get us a candidate who can win? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. If we run either, and or both of these folks, IMHO we lose. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:23 AM Original message |
your logic? heres mine... |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
29. Goody, we have a lock on Oregon. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. go look at that again AND wheres your reasons? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Well, gee, pack up the babies and grab the old ladies |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. you going to answer the question?????????? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Neither Clinton or Obama can get enough votes to win the GE. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. in case you havnt been paying attention, every Dem primary has had record turnout |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Democratic Primary voters are a pretty solid bloc for a Dem in the GE, |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Among whom Hillary has a 50% plus negative rating |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I have never argued for a Clinton nomination, that as well, IMHO, is fatal. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. and how does Gore attacked independents more than Obama or anyone else? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. It's a ballroom blitz!!!!!!!!!!! |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #52 |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Hype, excitement, little time to falter...it's marketing. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. wrong. Obama draws from Independents and highly-educated Republicans |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. You speak of "democratic" voters, on;ly about 25% of the GE voters. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. even less are primary voters - BUT NOT THIS YEAR |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Go read the post. Obama draws highly-educated Republicans and Independents |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Numbers there do not over-ride the, I hate the term, joe six-pack. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. Gas prices do. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
74. how do you know? what actual figures support your claim? you have none. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. count them, take your shoes off if you have to. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. in other words, you have NOTHING to support your claim. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Nothing that can contradict the kool-aid. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. the only argument you have is insults. I have data from well-respected orgs. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Your well respected orgs just don't add up..even using hillary-math. |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
73. Neil? Is that you? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
5. we will have an official presumptive nominee within 2 weeks. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Key word ...presumptive. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. And I give Obama a 100% of being our nominee. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Hello President McCain.(or maybe bush) |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. why? |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Spoiled child syndrome |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Obama can't win, Clinton can't win, Obama/Clinton only 50-50 |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. AGAIN why cant Obama win? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Because he will not get enough votes, basically. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. for WHAT REASON? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. see post 38. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. So sad to be delusional. There are meds that can help you. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Typical response from your ilk. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Back up your nonsense with facts, then. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Can't win the largest voting block out there: Middle-low income whites. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. When gas is $4.50 in November ANY Dem will win 42 states. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. We wish. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I have faith that when the voters see their standard of living decrease |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Blind faith........the edge of doom. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Not blind faith, just political reality. You should stop living in fear. It's unhealthy. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. No one will win "big" |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Obama will. 42 states. Blowout of Reagan sized proportions. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. It would be nice if only DUers voted, wouldn't it? |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Millions of Americans vote and mostly they vote with their wallet |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. You mean like they did in 2004????Or 2000?...or 1980? |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
79. IN APPALACHIA, elsewhere not a problem. nt |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
41. You could give him a year's head start spouting the same old failed Bush policies |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. yes but we have a large block of Dems who will not vote for our nominee |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Come the election, this will change |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Those poll numbers are largely suspect, IMHO. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. They'll calm down. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Yes, the VAST majority of Dem. Primary voters will support the Nominee. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Those defectors will be overwhelmed by newly registered voters. |
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