Clinton Doesn't Want Uncommitted MI Delegates To Go To Obama

Here's this blockbuster post from Politico.com, in which Harold Ickes, who voted initially to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegations, states that none of the uncommitted Michigan delegates should go to Obama:

and they're pissed. Obama knows it as well.

Those people voted for "anybody but Hillary". Obama is anybody but Hillary. He should get the votes.

Funny too that she doesnt care about THOSE votes going uncounted. Fucking hypocrite.

the "uncommitted" count should not go to Obama because they did not vote for him. For all we know they wanted Edwards. Spare me the "but he wasn't on the ballot bit" as that was his choice. One thing we do know is that the uncommitted were voting against Hillary Clinton. So, the total number of uncommitted votes should be deducted from the votes Hillary Clinton did receive in Michigan. :evilgrin:

I actually think thats a great idea. :thumbsup:

Especially with that dumb old Obama not even having HIS NAME on the Ballot..

Coo-Coo for Hillary Nuts!

Perhaps it's a Gravel kinda town?

they fought on the sidelines loud and clear, to encourage voters in Michigan to vote, uncommitted per their operatives.

examples:

Edwards Blog Jan. 08

http://michiganforedwards.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-you-support-john-edwards-vote.html


snip>

Tuesday, January 15, 2008
If you support John Edwards, Vote Uncommitted Today...***(also if you're for Barack Obama).

Polls open at 7:00 am
Polls close at 8:00 p m

Do not sign Recall Petitions and Right to Work (for Less) Petitions.


then.....after the vote....Edwards said this......

The 15 January Primary Results

Thank You For Voting Uncommitted.

Uncommitted made an incredible showing in Michigan. I mean we asked people to take time out of their busy day and go vote for "nobody" in a largely meaningless election. Thank you for preventing a victory for Hillary and the Forces of Coronation. Here are some final totals:

others DU examples:

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=159x11431


hnmnf (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-09-08 06:50 PM

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John and Monica Conyers urge Mich. Democrats to vote "Uncommitted"

John and Monica Conyers urge Mich. Democrats to vote 'uncommitted'
Gregg Krupa / The Detroit News
Two supporters of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama announced today that they will produce and air campaign advertisements urging voters to cast "uncommitted" ballots in Michigan's Democratic Presidential primary on Tuesday.

U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit, and Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers said they are acting because of the failure of state and national leaders of the Democratic Party to salvage a consequential primary for voters in Michigan.

"Democratic voters have been disenfranchised, indeed had their vote rendered meaningless, by not being able to vote for viable Democratic candidates because of Democratic party rules that evade reality," said Monica Conyers. "We urge Democratic party voters to cast a ballot for uncommitted if the candidate of their choice, such as Senator Barack Obama, is not on the ballot."

//snip/.

The Conyerses, who are married, both support Obama, according to Sam Riddle, Monica Conyers' chief of staff.

"Here in Michigan, the primary is almost meaningless," said Riddle, who blamed both state and national party leaders for effectively disenfranchising Democratic voters in Michigan. "Because of the screwed up process, no one is really having a chance to endorse any of the candidates. That's why we are urging people to vote uncommitted."

Radio advertisements will begin running as soon as today, Riddle said, and the Conyerses also hope to run advertisements on television.

The cost of the advertising will likely be between $15,000 and $25,000, Riddle said.


http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080...

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=159x11411

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=159x11536

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=159x11195

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BECAUSE SHE IS CERTIFIABLY INSANE

What a disgrace she turned out to be. :thumbsdown:

Count every vote! Except caucus states and half of MI. What a joke.

And just moreso as each day passes.

There are a lot of things we all want Harold.

You're making yourself look silly and giving political opponents free ammunition.

when gas goes down to $1.50 a gallon

see which one fills up first!

and exclude MI altogether or do 50/50 in MI?

No campaign SPENDING in Michigan, the worst economic condition of any state.
No candidates FACING the VOTERS in Michigan, which was once the most reliable source of support for the Democratic Party.
But they're happy to COLLECT campaign FUNDING ... Bill Clinton is in Detroit today to do exactly that. But he WON'T face the VOTERS!

There is no "fix" for a FUBAR!! None!

:grr:

Campaigns only bring money into the area when the candidates pay their bills!

or split them right down the middle on her. The woman signed a pledge that she knew it wasn't going to be a legitimate primary.

Hmm. That just doesn't have the right ring to it.

because his name was not on the ballot, and that was as close a vote for him as they could get? With the understanding that those 'uncommitted' delegates could ante up for Obama if the chance came?

I'm from NH and the primary news was nonstop back then, I'm almost SURE I heard this on NPR news at the time.

peace~

(edit to remove "as")

The great thing is...when people challenge Hillary and her surrogates about how she can justify winning when she was the only person on the ballot (essentially) and no campaigning occurred, she says "Oh, there was a STRONG effort by Obama supporters to vote uncommitted...and see, I still won fair and square!". So which is it, Hillary?

When a Clinton advisor was trying to push the popular vote bullshit on Dan Abrams, Ron Reagan said the other night "Can I just ask you a question? How many votes are you giving to Obama in this Michigan scenario" and the woman shrugged and said "None!" and Ron Reagan said "Exactly. BECAUSE AN ELECTION DID NOT HAPPEN IN MICHIGAN!"

Either way, HRC broke the rules that she agreed to, and now she wants to have her cake and eat it too.

I should have clarified that she explained that this "massive campaign" for uncommitted votes was pushed by both Obama and Clinton supporters. So I guess now she is saying that they were all Edwards supporters.

Cause we all know that the Edwards delegates are goign to support HRC.
:sarcasm:

This is off the deep end. :banghead:

Even then, she still loses, but she cuts the delegate lead some - by weaseling in a state with zero votes for Obama.

I can only hope the Credentials Committee has more sense than to allow a Soviet election to stand. If they get seated at all, it will have to be a delegate split, will will still leave Hillary in the dust.

:eyes:

In fact, since hers was the only name on the ballot, surely that means that every vote cast in Michigan should go to her. It's the only fair way. :eyes:

They are playing as they go along and to whatever angle is most advantageous

Damn those CHEATING jerks! :grr:

So, Hillary Clinton wants to count Florida's votes, but does NOT want to count Michigan's votes?



Ickes: We want the Michigan uncommitted to stay uncommitted

By Avi Zenilman 12:01 PM at Ben Smith's Blog
May 22, 2008






Well, THAT explains why Hillary doesn't want to count Michigan's votes.


There is absolutely no doubt left, that this candidate is not fit to hold the office of Presidency of the United States.

Common Sense must prevail in the end. It's over.

Those who are willing to win (or lose) at any cost must be made to play by the rules in place at that time - by the people who made the rules.

B.O. must assert his position as front-runner, mathematical primary winner and presumptive nominee.

The SDs must move to remove all doubt.

Close the door on this type of divisive, "Hail-Mary" politics. It's apparent it will only get worse without some type of action.

It's time to move on to focus on the GE and McBush

There will be no satisfaction in placing blame for a Dem loss in November. It's time to consolidate behind the nominee, support the party and heal.

Wonder what was going on at the nominating convention to lead to that. Unbelievable. :grr:

But they were ringers in the delegate election.

This is the just the twilight of the campaign.

That is when I will know what all of this now means. There are many types of negotiating strategies, up to and including potential brinksmanship. There is bluster, there are bluffs. Insider politics can be like a Poker championship, and outward appearances can be planned strategic posturing. No one can deny that this is a game being played for very high stakes.

If an agreement can be worked out at the meeting that all sides can sign off on NONE of this strategic prelude will long matter, it will become yesterday's news quicker than a clock tick.

If Clinton's team, when push finally comes to shove, refuses to budge an inch, it will be a terrible mistake on their part which will long haunt them and our Party, and possibly our nation.

that places her as the nominee, all hell will break loose. If they "dis" the voters in either Florida or Michigan all hell will break loose on a smaller scale. May 31 and June 3rd can't get here fast enough for me. No matter what call is made there will be some very upset people around here.

show so much anger toward the clinton camp.

Or elitists, or anti-white, or cultists or... Well, pick one, they all make about teh same amount of sense.

I am honestly starting to wonder if the pressure of the campaign has caused Senator Clinton to lose her marbles.

April 3, 2008:

It's the only way they have a shot in hell. But it clearly won't happen that way. The only way for the Uncommitted to stay Uncommitted is for Hillary to not get her delegates either.

This won't matter pretty soon. Obama will clinch the nomination under current rules on June 3. This will prompt enough superdelegates to endorse him that it wouldn't even matter if the Uncommitteds DID stay uncommitted. Obama would need about 80 or so additional Supers to ensure that FL and MI could not change things. And/or some defections from the Clinton camp. I'm reasonably sure this will happen.

and THAT is the reason he changed his name to "Uncommitted".

Regardless of the May 31 outcome, Obama and the DNC have egg on their face.
Much worse, is that they have put jeopardized the chances for a DEM victory in November.

There is no question that Hillary is on the right side of this mess.

"I think it's obvious the election they are having won't count for anything." ?

What about when Ickes, a Hillary advisor and a member of the Rules Committee, VOTED to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegates?

Was her campaign on the wrong side then?

HRC. hey, remember dodd kept his name on and Dennis did too....

I am so sick of hearing about her.

They might as well come out and say that Hillary should be given the nom just because. Time to shut her campaign down, they have no reason to keep going. They are using the last 3 primaries as an excuse to keep their pathetic caterwauling going. Enough.

Sorry, it just doesn't.