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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:00 PM
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Lost in a Fun House
HomeDiariesBreaking BlueE-Wire 2008"LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"
by linfar, Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:49:43 PM EST

This is Bill Clinton's description of the Democratic primary campaign. And I agree.

And the one reason for this, more than any other, is the Obama campaign of race baiting, dirty tricks and magic shows like Obama's three-card monte routine in Iowa on Tuesday night.

Bill Clinton also said:


The allegation that Hillary and I played the race card was a cold blooded, calculated, manipulated and revolting strategy!

And I agree with him again.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/22/124943/400
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:02 PM
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1. who ever knew bill clinton to say anything that could be considered 'self-serving'...
GMAFB...
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:12 PM
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11. Bill Clinton no George Clinton... I think I got the wrong house
Paint the White house black
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:23 PM
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20. I Think It Should Be Painted A Neutral Earth Color
The ironic thing is it looks much more majestic on tv because you see it in isolation... When you see it nestled among architecture that is nothing like it , it looks strange...
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:02 PM
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2. Yes, yes. We all know you're outraged. Now tell us something we DON'T know.
:eyes:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:03 PM
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3. So he's accusing Clyburn, Leahy, Kennedy and Kerry's collective
chastisement of big dawg a revolting strategy? Then ole Bill shouldn't have opened his mouth and stuck his foot in it. Just like his wife; won't accept responsibility. Sounds way too familiar for my taste.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:04 PM
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5. It's their way of trying to convince people that Hillary should be on the ticket. n/t
Edited on Thu May-22-08 02:05 PM by ProSense
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:04 PM
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4. K & R. I agree with him, too.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:04 PM
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6. Race and sex -isms all suck
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:07 PM
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7. the clintons sure don't take losing very well, do they...
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:01 PM
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62. No !
They do not !


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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:07 PM
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8. You're on your own now, Bill.
I won't defend you anymore... as I did for so many years.

:hi:

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:53 PM
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46. Exactly. I'm exhausted and over it.
Sorry, Bill. I gave you my all, and I'm finished.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:56 PM
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50. The Clintons have decided: They now work with the GOP and FUX Noise
In my mind, they are no longer Democrats.



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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:10 PM
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54. That's sort of like a fun house,
isn't it?

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:18 PM
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55. That looks like me before my morning coffee.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:21 PM
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57. That is some serious fun house stuff you've got there!
:rofl:


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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:07 PM
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9. My 97-year-old mom would be amused
Being called one of "(These arrogant Obama boyz who) care nothing" for the "needs of the elderly and the frail and the people who gave so much and now need our help" will give her great pleasure. True, she doesn't need my help to vote and drives her car like a maniac to this day, she does use a walker around her home and does a righteous 'bat outta hell' routine with her motorized wheelchair. Forget the race card, the elder-card is just richer than rich!
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:10 PM
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10. Yeah, Bill. It was a "cold blooded, calculated, manipulated and revolting strategy"... On YOUR part.
From your own Jesse Jackson comparisons, from Geraldine KKK Ferraro, from whatever Shaheen spawn it was talking shit, from the other state and local chairs spreading lies, from Sid Blumenthal circulating freeper e mails.

Yeah, you triangulating, lying, cheating, hypocritical motherfucker. It was cold blooded, it was calculated, it was revolting, and it cost you the election. And caused millions of Democrats to lose any respect they once had for you or your wife.

Go fuck yourself, Bill. You and the DLC are done, and we will do just fine without you.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:16 PM
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16. New majority my ass.
Try getting Obama elected without the rest of the base. You will lose this election for us yet with your hatred and name-calling.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:21 PM
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19. The DLC is not the base
Never has been, never will be. And hopefully after this election, we'll be rid of that cancer for good. It is absolutely unconscionable that any Democrat could justify what Bill & Hillary are attempting to do to this party right now.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:22 PM
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58. About half of the Democrats voted for Hillary Clinton.
You and your ilk will not win anything if you don't stop the hate.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:12 PM
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12. They probably do feel as if they are lost in a fun house.
But it's of their own making.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:12 PM
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13. We saw and heard what we saw and heard.
no matter how hard you wag your lying finger!




Fool me once, shame on you.

Try to fool me anymore than that, than Fuck You!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:03 PM
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53. I guess we'll just have to believe our lying eyes/ears.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:36 PM
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61. He's in here:


and he can't get out.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:15 PM
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14. I agree with that quote from Bill whole-heartedly.
When they started playing the race card, I went back over the clips of the things Bill and Hillary had said. I must have watched some of them ten times. I read the statements. I saw no racism.

The Obama surrogates cried racism because they know it is a sensitive topic to address and they could get away with it. Anything that could twisted to sound racist was twisted by them.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:20 PM
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18. And the Obama surrogates
will continue to play it.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:10 PM
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69. I wonder if they know it won't work in the general
I hope so.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:35 PM
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30. Memories....
December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.


Clinton Co-Chair Resigns Over Obama Drug Remark
By JAKE TAPPER
Dec. 13, 2007
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3992371&page=1
Bill Shaheen, the Clinton campaign's New Hampshire co-chair, stepped down Thursday one day after publicly raising the issue of the youthful drug use of her chief opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois

Shaheen, the husband of a former New Hampshire governor and an influential Democrat, was a constant presence by Clinton's side whenever she campaigned in the Granite State, where recent polls have her and Obama in a dead heat for first in that first-in-the-nation primary state.

Hours after the Wednesday release of a CNN/WMUR poll showing Obama in a statistical tie with Clinton for the first time among New Hampshire Democratic voters, Shaheen told The Washington Post that should Obama get the nomination, "one of the things Republicans are certainly going to jump on is his drug use."

Shaheen said Obama having been so open -- as opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further queries on the matter.
---------------------------------------
On Sunday, a second Clinton staffer -- Linda Olson, an Iowa County volunteer coordinator, who followed Jones County coordinator Judy Rose -- was asked to resign after reporters discovered she had forwarded an e-mail repeating the scurrilous allegation that Obama, a member of the United Curch of Christ, is a Muslim plant.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Hillary Supporter Cuomo: Obama Tried To "Shuck And Jive" With Media
The Hillary campaign might have their own surrogate with foot-in-mouth syndrome who they'll have to deal with. During an appearance yesterday on talk radio -- at almost the same time as Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. questioned Hillary's tears -- New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo used some words about Barack Obama that have a very troublesome racial history.

"It's not a TV crazed race. Frankly you can't buy your way into it," Cuomo said, according to Albany Times Union reporter Rick Karlin. "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference," he added. "All those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room."

The phrase "shuck and jive" refers to mischievous blacks behaving innocently in the presence of an authority figure, so as to lie and get out of trouble.

------Lies on Tape---------------

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bill-and-hillary-clintons-top-5-lies-to-voters-on-the-campaign-trail/
Bill and Hillary Clinton’s Top 9 Lies to Voters on the Campaign Trail

#1 Bill Clinton lied to voters at their rallies and said he had been opposed to the Iraq war from the start.

#2 Hillary Clinton lied and said she had been opposed to NAFTA. After an advocacy group sued to have her First Lady records released, it was revealed that she had supported and advocated for NAFTA.

#3 Hillary Clinton lied to voters about a trip to Bosnia claiming she was running for cover and did not attend a greeting ceremony.

#4 Bill Clinton lied to voters about Barack Obama’s Iraq record.

#5 Bill Clinton just completely made up a story to supporters about Obama dismissing the 90s.

#6 Hillary Clinton said she was instrumental in helping bring peace to Northern Ireland.


#7 Hillary Clinton lied to Iowa and New Hampshire voters about whether she would try to count the Florida and Michigan primaries.

#8 Hillary Clinton lied at one of her rallies and said she began criticizing the Iraq War before Barack Obama did
#9 On April 21, Bill Clinton said “I think they played the race card on me” of the Obama campaign. The next day when an NBC reporter asked Clinton, “Sir, what did you mean yesterday when you said that the Obama campaign was playing the race card on you?” Clinton claimed that he didn’t make that statement.
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bill-and-hillary-clintons-top-5-lies-to-voters-on-the-campaign-trail/

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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM
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38. game, set, match. nt
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:26 PM
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60. I could waste my time posting all kinds of little gray boxes, too.
There are the "race" memos, referring to the five things that could be twisted to sound racist by the Obama campaign. I could post the Brazile memo about the "fairy tale" comment, and all the lying crap by Jesse Jackson Jr, who has been hateful.

I won't bother, because my time is valuable, and you have made up your mind that hating the Clintons is so much more satisfying than winning in November.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #60
68. yeah but those memo's mention..
how race was used by the Clinton Campaign. Sorry you have no time for the truth.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:16 PM
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70. The first ones to use race
Michelle and Jackson. Carry on.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. oh no...I have to post it again?
Edited on Thu May-22-08 10:53 PM by stillcool47
December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.




Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5



Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)



January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Hillary Supporter Cuomo: Obama Tried To "Shuck And Jive" With Media
The Hillary campaign might have their own surrogate with foot-in-mouth syndrome who they'll have to deal with. During an appearance yesterday on talk radio -- at almost the same time as Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. questioned Hillary's tears -- New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo used some words about Barack Obama that have a very troublesome racial history.

"It's not a TV crazed race. Frankly you can't buy your way into it," Cuomo said, according to Albany Times Union reporter Rick Karlin. "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference," he added. "All those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room."

The phrase "shuck and jive" refers to mischievous blacks behaving innocently in the presence of an authority figure, so as to lie and get out of trouble.

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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:16 PM
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15. Get off the stage, Bill!
"The allegation that Hillary and I played the race card was a cold blooded, calculated, manipulated and revolting strategy!"

I agree, Bill. Playing the "working, hard working, White Americans" race card in West Virginia and Kentucky was a cold-blooded, calculated, manipulative and revolting strategy.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:35 PM
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29. And now they are trapped
in the fun house.


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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:17 PM
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17. Yes indeed, Clinton is right - and it's as low as it gets
Character assassination - false charges of "race baiting" - slick move pulling name off Michigan ballot - crying for an historic "hope and change" while holding a paper thin resume.

What an ugly charade it's been!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:25 PM
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22. Bill is wrong, and simply
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:26 PM
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23. It's why I'll be watching Oregon polls very closely when November rolls around.
I don't want to reward Obama with my vote, because that makes me complicit in his campaign's strategy of painting the Clintons as racists. If it looks too close to call, I'll vote, but my prediction is Oregon will be light blue.

Hillary Clinton missed the window of opportunity after South Carolina. When the O team put out the "racebaiter" theme, she should have responded with, "What is offensive about being compared to Jesse Jackson? He is a great American!"

That's what I would have said. That's what I still say. Maybe I'll write his name in on my ballot. :)
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:29 PM
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24. There's a problem with that, though!
Edited on Thu May-22-08 02:30 PM by Renaissance Man
Now Bill's saying that another campaign accused him of race-baiting when his wife (and some of her surrogates like Rendell) used broad race-based appeals in Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky to get votes?

I'm not buying what he's selling. Those of you who would are suckers of the highest order.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:31 PM
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26. I'm not buying it either.


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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:44 PM
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35. "Those of you who would are suckers of the highest order."
Thanks for adding to the civil discourse. Robert Gibbs appreciates your valuable insight.
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM
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36. You're welcome!
Edited on Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM by Renaissance Man
Seems as if though you willfully decided to ignore the first part of my post. Let me repost, and hopefully I'll get a response this time around.

Now Bill's saying that another campaign accused him of race-baiting when his wife (and some of her surrogates like Rendell) used broad race-based appeals in Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky to get votes?"
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:49 PM
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41. Seems as if you ignored the entire gist of *my* comment.
But thanks for playing. :hi:
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:51 PM
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44. No answer? Deflecting?
It's typical when you can't defend a liar.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:54 PM
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47. I don't defend Bill Clinton on any account.
Never liked him. I don't like smooth talkers nor silver-tongued devils. Capisci?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:29 PM
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25. I know one thing for certain
Pat Leahy has more integrity in his little finger than bill has in his entire body.

The ugly belongs to the lying slime clinton campaign.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:24 PM
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21. Yawn
Now in two minutes the OP will be posting about how we are ruining unity with are divisive tactics.

Clinton and her surrogates and her supporters are hypocrites of the worst kind.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:33 PM
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27. The clinton's played the race card, plain and simple
Now, BNill is just lying about it just like he has lied to us time and time aggain.

The man is a serial liar and can never be trusted.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:35 PM
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28. I agree too!!!!
The truth will come out in the end, and this campaign will be written about for years to come. Those that believe Obama will "Change the World" are in for a huge disappointment imo. I hope that I am wrong.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:37 PM
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31. K&R
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:38 PM
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32. How are we to view the 80-90% African-American support of Jackson SC's 1984 primary?
I keep hesitating to ask this question, lest I be slapped with the scarlet "R," but how are we to view this turnout? What were African-American voters doing back then, if it's inappropriate to say they voted as a block? And if we find an answer for that question, how are we then supposed to assess the same voting pattern for Obama in SC this year? As mere coincidence?

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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:43 PM
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34. Yes!
Edited on Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM by Renaissance Man
Especially when neither Al Sharpton nor Carol Moseley Braun won the larger percentage of AA support in 2004 (which is even MORE recent history). The question that should be asked is, "Why didn't Bill refer to the '04 primaries (seeing as they would have been more indicative of trends in AA support for candidates)?"

He didn't have to go back to 1988 to make the comparison. The fact that he decided to do so means something else. Take of that what you will.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM
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40. Were Sharpton and Braun still "alive" by the SC primary?
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:50 PM
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42. SC's Primary is early.
They were still on the ballot. Both are very well-known in the AA community. Neither received overwhelming support. Take from that what you will.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:55 PM
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48. I looked it up...
it appears that Braun dropped out of the 2004 race before Iowa, endorsing Howard Dean, so she wasn't even a consideration that year.

Sharpton endorsed Kerry in March... I don't remember if he left the campaign before that, however.

Could one surmise that African-Americans voted overwhelmingly for the two most VIABLE African-American candidates in the last several election cycles: Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama?

Also - did John Edwards attract 80-90% of African-American support with his win in 2004?
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:00 PM
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51. Viable?
The problem with that is that Bill didn't even mention either of the two as viable. His primary reason for mentioning Jesse Jackson was because he knows that a lot of Southerners and the Fox News crowd equates Jesse Jackson with Al Sharpton (and a lot of Southerners hate both of them).

What he did was very deliberate.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:39 PM
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33. Bill Clinton is not a racist
as far as I know
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM
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37. What was the context of this quote?
I checked the mydd link, etc., but it's difficult to tell where and when Bill Clinton said it.

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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM
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39. Hillary lost.
Have a nice day.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:50 PM
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43. If that's what you think, you must have spent too long looking at the funny mirrors.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:51 PM
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45. Tell 'em Bill, tell 'em. It's Obama that's the racist. We all know this truth to be self-evident.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:21 PM
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56. Really? So who does Obama hate? Blacks or whites or some other group?
Since you know he is a racist, then you will be able to tell us who he hates.


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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:55 PM
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49. BITCH! BRAV-F*CKING-O! Out of necessasity!1111!!!!
No I'm series!11!!!


"Necessasity"

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:55 PM
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63. ??
?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:01 PM
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52. I have to tell you that I see it exactly the opposite
I don't know if I can say that Clinton has lost it, because I don't think he thought of his initial comments as race baiting but he knows they are now.


However,being told that "monster,""poisonous", "venomous, and "they were very arrogant" are sexist terms is ridiculous. How can those words be sexist when they can traditionally be applied to either gender. Something is really, really wrong here when we have to be so PC that we can't use negative adjectives to describe Senator Clinton.


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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:24 PM
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59. Bill's perceptions are being manipulated, as are yours
There was a time that he would have been able to tell the difference and perhaps not fallen for it...but then perhaps he "falls for it" because the interpretations he applies, false or not, serve what he sees as his purpose.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:58 PM
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64. You have been TRICKED.
Straight up tricked. The Clintons are crooked, self-serving liars and they are using good people like you to divide the party. Don't be their tool.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:02 PM
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65. How do you fight that accusation really?
His supporters will say anything to make their case, fuck it.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:07 PM
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66. There's no way to fight it.
Bill Clinton is aware of that, even if he is lost in a fun house.


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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:07 PM
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67. dupe
Edited on Thu May-22-08 06:09 PM by janx



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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:58 PM
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72. " I Know!!! We cannot win, so let's just BLAME OBAMA!!!"
What a load of unadulterated shit.

You really represent your ex-candidate poorly.

Fail.
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