Disparaging comments about Sen. Clinton's looks are unnecessary and unwelcome.

The size of Hillary's posterior, her makeup, and her wardrobe are IRRELEVANT to whether or not she should be the nominee. Don't complain how "Hillary supporters are crying sexism!" and then turn around and mock her looks as if you are completely oblivious. She's running for President, not to be a runway model or your Hooters waitress.

BTW, not that it matters but I have always thought that Hillary Clinton is quite attractive.

That is all.

:thumbsup:

As I said in another thread, may I look as good as she does when I'm 60. or 50. or 40...

K and R.

we might as well give 'em what they want.

Just kidding but it doesn't matter what you say if you criticize her at all you'll be called sexist.

It's it still OK to say she should shut the fuck up and quit whining?

It's not.

A lot of Hillary supporters flaunt her looks.
But gawdforbid anyone notice the size of her rump.

It's always nice to compliment anyone, male or female, on their appearance but never polite to insult it.

Really, it's not that hard to understand.

With a short, flared jacket.

Good DogA'mighty.

She didn't borrow, steal, illegitimately claim it as her own, lie about it or plagiarize it.

made herself

Can't say I've ever noticed it myself. Of course, I don't think Obama's ears have anything to do with whether he should be the nominee either.

However, there's no way you are going to tell me the mockery of Edwards' hairdos or whatever even compares to the savaging Clinton has been getting from the Looks Police on DU. I swear, you'd think everyone here looked like Brad Pitt or Halle Berry the way they talk, from behind their keyboards.

What comments of that nature could POSSIBLY be directed at John Edwards?

Really, I'm serious! Unless you are talking about the idjits that remarked about what he spent on a haircut, I cannot imagine finding anything about how John Edwards looks about which to make demeaning remarks!

..she isn't cute as a button. I'm not saying she looks great for 60. I'm saying she looks great.

in occasionally showing her from the rear.

when one Hillary supporter brings up media portrayals of her ass, a second poster mocks the concept of sexist ass-shots (albeit in a disoriented and juvenile fashion), and then a third poster decries the fact that Hillary's ass is being targeted. Nobody is going directly after her ass.

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but mocking her appearance is just poor behavior and beneath us all.

no bigger obama supporter here, but i agree, lets stay on message here.

is that "What would Barack do?"

i try.

that's a good one. there is a website out there- what would hair do.

that's a good one. there is a website out there- what would hair do.

Just curious.

curiosity satisfied?

sometimes people's demeanor or appearance bear comment.

And completely another to mock them for characteristics they have no control over. As for the stuff about her pantsuits, okay I get it, people don't think the pantsuits are flattering, but what is she supposed to wear on the campaign trail? A ballgown?

It'll go well with her sucking down brews at truck dives in Oklahoma.

Hey, ask a silly question....

They are, as usual, ignored.

I'm just saying that the ones about her appearance are unbefitting of a progressive discussion board.

I thought that's what DU was about. You are free to express yours. I'm free to tell you yours sucks. And vice versa.

that's my opinion. Why do you have a problem with that?

You think mocking a woman's appearance is just fine.

I don't.

of sexism
because i posted a thread showcasing the lack of coherent thought in a hillary supporter who was interviewed by the LA times
she said shes taking her kids out of the will over the lack of hillary support in her family
i will admit i did use her freakout over pictures of hillarys bum as the central pivot of my post
take off your outrage glasses and you will see the humor in the woman they interviewed
shes funny as hell and she was the one making a stink about hillarys butt (no pun intended)
all i did was post the story
in hindsight i would have used the sarcasm thingee
more would have gotten it then i suppose


p.s. my judge on whether i am sexist or not is my wife an anrp midwife and member of the acnm
shes a ob/gyn practitioner and womanned the door of our now defunct womens health clinic here in florida during operation rescues heyday
and she doesnt think me sexist
just a big dumb jerk

Issues, not image.

:eyes:

With that said her supporters were the ones bringing up her ass and talking about the way the media focused on it. I say if that is all you got in terms of sexism to complain about then you have really lost the argument.

Are going to HEAR THIS over and over and over ... more "feigned indignation"

WE DARE NOT ASK ... shh!

This is a stupid topic. I don't want to walk around on "pins and needles" just because Her Royal Goddess is offended. :nuke:

I get tired of the Co-dependents as well as the cry baby Hill supporters. I agree with your entire post. No hard feelings :toast:

Thank you for your thoughtful comment above. :hi:

"It's not supposed to work that way!" "Wah!"

Take you ball and go home, ShortnFiery.

All people who are "team players" tend to realize when they need to let-go for the sake of "a larger purpose."

Unfortunately, HRC never learned that there's no "I" in TEAM. :(

I travelled to NV and TX to canvass for Obama and I'm a pledged delegate for Obama to the DNC but I guess I'm a Clinton supporter in disguise.

I'm tired of having to face INTIMIDATION that every damn thing I type is sexist. :nuke:

There is enough to discuss with regard to policies and campaign tactics. There's no need for this jr. high "nya nya you're ugly" crap.

And both Hillary and Barack are attractive people. Not that it matters.

from the Womens Army Corps (WACs).

I think it's safe to say that I KNOW SEXISM, up close and personal. What HRC and her surrogates are doing is damaging to women because the lion's share of their claims are flatly unfounded. Their behavior shames all HONEST and GENUINE women leaders who "set the example" instead of whining and "feigning indignation."

When I was the first in a class of 300 to be taken up the cable of the 250 ft. tower ... to be released and float down in an untethered parachute. The mere thought of claiming *sexism* (Oh, Sergeant Airborne, you only picked me because I'm the most petite female here!) WAS NOT AN OPTION.

Genuine and honorable women leaders/bosses do not constantly claim *sexism.* They simply LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

But I'm sure you already knew that.

And discussing the physical flaws of both candidates really is productive, isn't it?

Good, substantive topic for GD-P, also.

Neither Hillary's ass nor Barack's ears are going to get any smaller without benefit of surgery.

We'll have to go back to insulting their families.

I'm not seeing them here. I alert on the very rare occasions it comes up.

and have never seen any of the above except the pantsuit thing... and that only rarely.

With all the fuming, lying, inappropriate, negative aspersions to Obama's patriotism, his religion and his race?

you can put that thin skinned BULLSHIT where it belongs.

It's a fake complaint, unworthy of even THIS response.

And I will say it again but a little nicer: if all you got to complain about( in terms of sexism) is the media focusing on her ample behind then you have lost the sexism argument completely. I mean seriously, now they are saying the media is focusing on her behind too much? I think the OP of that thread could of used a little more tact in his comment but essentially he was right.

The article cited didn't say anything about a "fat ass". That was the OP editorializing.

Should I curtsy before I leave? :eyes:

Nothing, really. :hi:

Speaking of "self-righteous". Own a mirror in your glass house?

:shrug:

at least someone got it
and i agree more tact would have been better but i was tired after an all night shift and didnt phrase as well as possible
and if it is indeed me that you mean as the OP of the thread i noticed others here referring to a hillary supporter
i am in no way shape or form a supporter of that wolf in sheeps clothing hillary clinton
i have been an obama supporter since last december
the point i was trying to make was that it seems hillary supporters will point to anything and scream sexism
if no photogs were there she would have made the same claim of sexism over that

Looks like a Volkswagon coming at you down the street with both doors open, at the same time his pantsuits are very chic.. :)

from Edwards supporters. 50 bux for me ... thank you.

whole bunch of people, sent a whole bunch of $$.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2598054

PM me with your info.

BTW, the Obama "dig" was a joke aimed at Clinton supporters, in case anyone missed it - he's my candidate.

Now, her performance as a candidate and her rubber stamping of the worst of bush/cheney from her chair in the Senate... THAT is ugly

Obama has nothing to do with this.

People who would support someone without qualifications or experience to be President will resort to personal attacks when faced with an actual opponent.

And yet, strange as it may be to you, I object to personal attacks. I believe Obama would too.

that has run largely on personal attacks.

the point, they have no point. Such grade school mentality by SOME obama folks.

Hey, if someone wanted too they could say something about the obama's, talk about a big ass and I ain't talking bout JLo either. uh huh....See, it would be easy to come down to SOME obama folks level, but when you go into the gutter with someone, then all you have done is put yourself in the gutter......

It's what sends cartoonists', columnists' kids to college:)

If they want a private life, they should not seek a public life..

They are what they are..ears, teeth, eyes, chins, you name it.. They HAVE mirrors..

I see humor in it when people make fun of Obama's ears..he KNOWS his ears stick out..

lighten up..laugh a little.. you'll live longer :)

I just want people to focus on the issues, and not on appearances.

Looks have nothing to do with choosing a candidate.

Having said that, what the heck is wrong with having a big rear end? As a woman with a fairly generous rump, I have found that men tend to prefer them. I never heard a guy say that he wished his girlfriend had a flat butt. In my experience men like curvy women.

:evilgrin:

I think men who trash curvy women have "issues" that I won't even get into here. ;)

What's funny is that to some of the guys I met campaigning, Hillary's backside is one of her greatest "assets". One of her most avid supporters is a 25 year old AA man who is positively smitten with her, he has traveled and volunteered in at least 7 states. He always jokes saying: "you know my people, we love big butts and baby got back". Reminders that the woman is old enough to be his mother don't phase him at all, he says that he doesn't discriminate due to age. Men........

:eyes:

couldn't agree with you more. I have never had a bad word to say about the way she looks-I think she looks great.

Objectively speaking, by teen mag standards, Abraham Lincoln was FUGLY.

Don't matter. Still a great POTUS.


I'm told that at some point in history, by teen mag standards, Ronald Reagan was FOXY.


Don't matter. Still a foul excuse for a human being, writing off hundreds of thousands of lives (too bad for you if you were Nicaraguan, El Salvadorean, gay, mentally ill, you name it).


I hear that, by teen mag standards, Eleanor Roosevelt was FUGLY.


Don't matter. Still a feminist/humanist hero/ine.

Some people think, in the 2000 campaign, GWB was "sexy" in his cowboy boots.


(I thought all along, nuh uh, not with a STOLEN pussy.)


To judge women by physical standards, without any possibility of allowing women not deemed "fuckable" to achieve equal hero or shitstain standards independent of that burden is SEXISM, and please just fucking stop.

I think Hillary Clinton is being a class C scumbag in her campaigning practices, but it's all about the way she's using her mind and has nothing to do with her BODY, duuuuuuuuh.

Hillary failed because she listened to the wrong people and ran a lousy campaign. Not because she wasn't pretty enough. Hillary Clinton failed. So what? Men fail all the time. So do women. We get over it, and move on. Goddess bless Hillary for blazing a trail.

And I still think she's very attractive. :)

I hope I look that good at 60.

I won't though - I don't look that good even at 38 because I don't have the access to good dental care that she does (even so I think i'm kind of hot in a West Virginia sort of way. ;) ), or hairstylists or designers or what have you.

There's nothing LESS progressive than bagging on 60-year-old woman for her looks, because it's both sexist and classist.


I'm not backing her for a number of reasons, including the fact that she's trying to trade on her MARRIAGE as "experience." I'm sure the First Lady does hear a lot of Classified pillow talk late at night, I'm not denying it. My problem is, she has LESS experience than Obama if you take away who she was married to.


(I've never been married. That's a matter of luck for a woman, not skill or talent. And from my 38-yr-old single POV it comes down to this: if you didn't earn it yourself, it isn't yours. Period.)

And I think it's largely a generational thing. I'm a 39 year old who perceives Hillary Clinton as getting to where she is because of her husband, and it pains me to say that.

Yet, at the same time, I'm sympathetic to older women who support her because back when they were coming up, that was the only access women had to power. They raised the children and kept the houses running and propped their husbands and other male relatives up and didn't necessarily get anything in return. So why wouldn't they want Hillary Clinton, a woman who had supported her husband AND accomplished quite a lot on her own, to succeed? And why wouldn't they be pissed that she isn't winning, especially considering all the passion and effort they put into her race?

But at the same time, women like you and me were taught that we had to make our way on our own. We were brought up not to expect a man to provide our livelihood. So we're kind of ambivalent about supporting a woman who says she has all kinds of "experience", but it was mostly earned as the wife of a powerful person. We want to support her, but we're more apt to scrutinize things that women of her era are less apt to judge. Doesn't mean we're right and they're wrong, just that we see things differently.

Eeewww! Are people actually staring at her butt? I haven't seen ANY comments like this. Hillary looks fine on the outside. Too bad it's the inside that really counts. Not attractive at all on the inside.

the jackets cover everything. BTW, I think hillary is not unattractive, she looks like a pleasant suburban soccer mom, but then she starts talking and I'm like :scared:

As a matter of fact, there was a funny note yesterday about an older woman in FL who yelled at the camera guys who were waiting for Hillary to arrive that they should stop taking pictures of her butt. The woman was quite angry and told them to stop focusing the cameras on Hillary's butt every time she bent over.

:D

PS, she's attractive on the inside too.

When was the last time that you saw pictures of Hillary's butt on the internet? I have yet to see any. Fact is, Hillary is not unattractive, on the outside. We might disagree on the inside though. Maybe she's a fighter for you, but as a black man in his 20's, how is she a fighter for me? I'm sick and tired of hearing how the white working class voter is more important than me. We ended the three-fifths compromise already. Didn't Hillary get that TPS report? And you can tell Slick Willie to take his Jesse Jackson comment and shove it where the sun don't shine. Anyway, concerning Hillary's physical appearance, this sounds like a drummed up non-issue if you ask me. Setting up this straw man of people criticizing Hillary's appearance so you can chop them down. She looks kind of hot in those 1992 videos of her, in my opinion. Not sure what Bill was looking for outside his marriage.

Including you if you were not so upset with her at the moment because she won't step aside for Obama. Both Clintons have fought for civil rights for longer than you have been alive.

You may think of Obama as a fighter, I see him as an opportunist who should have waited until he had some actual experience before deciding to run for the presidency. I would say the exact same thing if he were white, hispanic or any other racial combination.

I don't believe that anyone should be sent to the back of the bus due to their race, gender or religion, but by the same token, nobody should jump ahead of the line due to those same characteristics. In other words, since when do we consider presidential material a senator who had gotten into office 18 months prior to running for president?? Please don't bring up Lincoln as an example.

That's what I don't respect about him, to me he's just a much brighter left wing version of Bush.

So, it's not all about Hillary. It's about honestly thinking that Obama is not prepared to handle the job.

as so many people seem to think. Gas tax pandering, nuclear umbrella over the entire Middle East minus Iran...what's wrong with her? A few months ago I would have described her as politically brilliant, but not anymore. She's letting her pandering and hawkishness overshadow her intelligence. We're the anti Iraq War party. Didn't Hillary get that TPS report? She needs to go home and keep her nuclear umbrella idea to herself. History has proven many times over that magic military umbrellas lead to massive and expensive troop deployments. We don't need to extend our military influence into more Middle Eastern countries right now. Who's advising her foreign policy? She needs to fire whoever it is.

I'm talking about having gravitas and experience to handle the job and Obama's many gaffes on foreign policy tells me that he's not ready.

As for Hillary, she was just responding to a question as to how the US should react if Iran deployed nuclear missiles on Israel. I don't see anything wrong in her response. It was not about invading Iran for no reason, but in response to an attack.

The pandering goes on by all sides, including by Obama. For example, all of a sudden he's wearing the flag pin and mentioning how much he loves America in every speech. Why? Because many people doubt his patriotism.

I see Hillary as extremely bright and with a wonkish knowledge of policy that Obama wishes he had. I don't want another person like Bush who needs to rely on his advisor's for everything. I want someone who already knows most policy issues inside out. That's why my choice is Hillary, it's not all about her gender. I see her as ready for the job and Obama as not, I only wish he had been her VP and we could have had two awesome presidencies for 16 years. As it is, the party is bitterly divided and may not regroup before November. Personally, I have stated often enough that I would only vote for Obama if she too is on the ticket. Anyone who has gotten half of the votes of the party has earned the right to be asked to be VP. Ditto if it were the other way around, I would have expected Hillary to offer it to Obama.

Yeah, that's the comparison you're making. I didn't even bring up her obliteration comment. By the way, Tehran was able to complain to the UN Security Council about her statement. Thanks Hillary for letting Iran garner some more sympathy from the international community. Her nuclear umbrella proposal over the Middle East is almost as dumb as her gas tax pandering. If Hillary has so much gravitas, then how come she didn't have the testicular fortitude to leave her husband after he thoroughly embarrassed her so many times? Looks to me like she doesn't have what it takes to make the tough decisions in life. If you can't run your own house, how do you expect to run the White House?

V.P. isn't a right that is earned. It's something that is decided by the presidential nominee, and for good reason. You do realize that the Vice President has little inherent power, right? That's what some Hillary supporters seem to fail to realize. Obama wouldn't even have to give her an office in DC paid for by the government if he didn't want to. Read up about the Cuban Missile Crisis if you want to know how much the vice president depends on the President for his/her power. JFK kept Lyndon Johnson in the dark during the ENTIRE thing. Yeah, not like it was a big deal or anything, just nuclear war at stake. It was JFK and Bobby making all of the decisions. The moral of that story is if the President and V.P. don't get along, they end up not working together. It's really that simple.

I subscribe to the Nancy Pelosi philosophy, that Obama should choose whoever he wants as V.P., for these very reasons. If Obama wants Clinton as his V.P., then that's fine with me. There's obviously a credible argument to be made for why he may want her as V.P.. If he doesn't want her as V.P., then he should just choose someone else. You're wrong to assume that I don't want Hillary as V.P.. I just think that the decision rests with the presidential nominee, just like most of the superdelegates speaking publicly have said.

but I'm on my way out of town and can't respond properly.

One comment about her marriage, it is a true relationship despite the rumors. Yes, Bill is deeply flawed, but Hillary loves him. You should see how her eyes light up when she talks about him or Chelsea. Not all marriages are perfect, unless there's physical or psychological abuse, I respect people's decisions to stay or not stay in the marriage when one of the spouses cheats.

I know perfectly well the role of a VP, but it would be a historical first. I honestly don't know if she wants it or not, but it should at least be offered.

Thanks for the correspondence. :patriot: Hopefully the gas prices don't hit you too hard. Still can't imagine that oil was $26 per barrel before the Iraq War. I guess you're right about Hillary's unconditional love for Bill, so I guess I shouldn't criticize her about that. I still don't see the point of demanding a V.P. offer if it's not also conditioned with having certain powers as the V.P.. Should Edwards also demand a spot in the cabinet since people liked him too?

The gas prices are to cry!!!

:cry:

I want Hillary as VP because aside from being a historical first, it would set her up to run in 8 years. I would have preferred Clinton/Obama and then Obama/? but I'll take the reverse if I have to.

Now, I'm really shutting off my computer.

May you too have a healthy and safe holiday!!!

:hi:

Many of those comments are coming from women! You seem to be trying to put this "Criticism of her looks and outfits" as being a guy thing with your "your hooters waitress" comment....

I agree 100% that criticizing a person's looks is insulting.....

n/t

her looks.

It really IS irrelevant. I think you undercut your whole post by including how you feel about her appearance.

Especially for 61 year old who uses all the enhancers...just like all the other women and men in the public eye do. Remember all the talk about Kerry's Botox? Don't sound so 20th century!

But totally agree that this campaign should be about issues and not hotness.

Besides, if it was about who was most hot, Dennis K's wife would be a sure-fire winner.

Argue issues, campaign tactics or voting records. Leave the trivial things out of it. They've no bearing on this race.

calling her a fat-assed liar :evilgrin:

Consequently, if I am to believe that Hillary means what she says then looks are part of the deal.

Personnally I think she looks just GREAT for an interview as assistant manager at a Century 21 office in Little Rock.

IMO Presidency deserves at least a passing attempt at least twice a month at the dignity that a women's suit would offer. She has usually dressed better for Senate sessions.

giving her reason for staying in a race she has lost as being the potential of Obama being assassinated like Bobby Kennedy was, I will assume comments on her ugliness should be okay. If she isn't taking this contest seriously, which she obviously isn't if her only reason for sticking around, as she clearly stated, is her hope that someone will kill her opponent, then it is time for the comments on her appearance to gain some traction.

This crap about how no one should say anything "nasty" about the unstable princess who is holding the race hostage is just not going to fly after her "I'm staying in the race in case he is killed" comment. Concessions to her instabilities regarding criticism, or only discussin things that some supporter deems relevant, or trying "not to hurt feelings" ended for me with her horrible comments.

I think she resembles a pear on steriods, who could light up Las Vegas with those neon pinata colored mansuits she wears - and I don't think much of her nasty blue contacts, either.