Sebelius Schmebelius ...... she adds NOTHING.

Why is she constantly mentioned?

I'm gunna go out on a limb here. Cuz she's pretty and slim.

But she sits as governor of a state that will go for our side only after the second coming of Jesus.

To say nothing of the fact that he speaking style is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

You want a woman governor of a state in a region that can actually help balance the ticket?

Janet Napolitano. A FAR better choice.

But she's not pretty and not slim.



But how about this? Obama doesn't need a woman. If he feels he's going for the "lost Clinton women" by adding a woman, why not just add the real deal ..... Clinton? Would adding a woman who is not Clinton just serve to piss off the very people he was wanting to attract?

Obama needs to get a veep that suits his style, his vision, and his needs. What he doesn't need is a woman or a minority.

I don't find Kathleen Sebelius very charismatic or exciting, I think she's easy to hang the elitist tag on because she sounds like a composer of classical music. But I also find your thread title a bit tacky.

Its too bad theres such a push for a military guy (Webb/Clark) on the ticket.

Richardson is a far better choice.

From what I hear, so is Napolitano.
People are allowed to have different opinions about it.
Maybe Napolitano doesn't want the job?

too valuble in the Senate right now, particularly since the President will come from there.


If you think a Missourian would be a big help, I think Jean Carnahan or Jay Nixon might be a better choice. Though my favorite choice for a MO veep would be Darwin Hindman, five term Mayor of Columbia MO.

Of course, Nixon is running for Gov.

I can't go with Jean Carnahan, that whole voting for the IWR thing really lowered my support for her, and the fact that she was little more than a neo-con puppet during her truncated term. Nixon is running for governor, and is the best shot the Dems have got against Hulshoff. As far as Hindman goes, fuck him. He has been more than willing to let the Lauries, and Kronkes take over Columbia, and to allow unfettered, virtually unregulated development throughout Columbia. It is during Hindman's tenure that Columbia has gone from a really cool little college town to just another sprawling strip mall laden mid size, Midwest city. Yes, Columbia was going to grow, but handing the direction and method of that growth over to the WalMart clan and the rest of the developers is simply unforgivable. Columbia is my home town, but I've come to despise the place due to skyrocketing, unregulated development, which is why I moved out and away four years ago. Many, many other native Columbians are doing the same, sad and mad about what a once great little town has become. Hell, just to show you how bad it has become, in 2004 Boone county went for Bush, something that never happened before. Columbia is simply becoming another neo-con shithole of a city like Springfield.

I live in KC, whose surrender to exurban flight is number two in the nation.

But closer to home, walk the streets of Jeff City. Find the city center, all three blocks of it.

Hindman has, as I see it, put in motion the transition to a post peak oil city. While you are right that Boone isn't what it used to be, I last lived there in '74.

What I think you are not sufficiently appreciating is that total surrender to development and simply paving highway out into the soybean field is the default position for most American communities. Columbia is walkable, and I bicycle it regularly. Kansas City is an abattoir for two wheels.

I also think that 2004 marked the apogee of the wide stance party in Missouri and that it has a great future behind it. Similarly, the future of ringworm America is similarly doomed by oil prices greater than 130 bbl.

Columbia, like most communities will contract. Columbia has something it can contract around with the university.

and not be swayed by special-interest influences. There are great women out there, but I would go with Jim Webb although he's not "slim & pretty" either. His military background and willingness to stand up to GWB and the republican machine makes him a prudent selection - and a good ticket balancer.

...just spit-ballin' to see what sticks.

Not a beauty queen -- but she's a good governor and, hey, she can still wear a skirt.

And then MAYBE just MAYBE Kansas would go blue.

I agree with you that Napolitano would be a much better choice. It may even force McGramps to campaign a little in his home state. That would be extremely embarrassing.

As far as Clinton goes, she probably isn't interested in the job. Even if she were, Bill is a potential liability to the campaign because he won't take orders from Obama's staff.

Frankly I wish Ann Richards were still alive. She'd be the perfect running mate for Obama.

...might be pissed off if Obama chooses another woman ~ interesting take.

She gov of Kansas, and her father was the Governor of Ohio.

She was born in Ohio and didn't leave till she was 26.

She's Catholic.

Sebelius was born and raised in a Catholic family in Cincinnati, Ohio. She attended the Summit Country Day School, a Roman Catholic secondary school, followed by Trinity Washington University, a Roman Catholic university in Washington, D.C., and later earned a Master of Public Administration degree from the University of Kansas. She moved to Kansas in 1974 at the age of 26, where she served for eight years as a representative in the Kansas Legislature and eight years as Insurance Commissioner before being elected governor.

Sebelius is the daughter of former Ohio governor John J. Gilligan, and thus they became the first father/daughter governor pair in the United States after her election.<3> Her husband K. Gary Sebelius<4> is a federal magistrate judge and the son of former U.S. Representative Keith Sebelius, a Republican. They have two sons. She also visits her childhood and current vacation home, located in Leland, Michigan, north of Traverse City, Michigan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius


Her dad:

John Joyce ("Jack") Gilligan (born March 22, 1921) is a Democratic politician from the U.S. state of Ohio who served as a U.S. Representative and the 62nd governor of Ohio.

Gilligan was born in Cincinnati, Ohio. He graduated from St. Xavier High School in 1939, the University of Notre Dame in 1943 and the University of Cincinnati in 1947, serving in between in the U.S. Navy during World War II in the Atlantic, Pacific and Mediterranean as a destroyer gunnery officer. He was awarded a Silver Star for gallantry in action at Okinawa.

After the war, Gilligan returned to Cincinnati to teach literature at Xavier University from 1948 to 1953. He also served as member of the Cincinnati city council from 1953 to 1963, and was a candidate for Ohio Congressman-at-Large in 1962. In 1964 he was elected to the Eighty-ninth Congress as a representative for Ohio's 1st district, serving from January 3, 1965-January 3, 1967. Gilligan lost his re-election bid to the Ninetieth Congress in 1966 to Republican Robert Taft Jr. after the Ohio General Assembly redrew his district to be more Republican. In 1968, Gilligan defeated sitting U.S. Senator Frank J. Lausche in the Democratic primary; however, he lost in the general election to Republican William B. Saxbe.

Gilligan won the election for the Governorship of Ohio in 1970, defeating Republican Roger Cloud, and serving from 1971 to 1975. Gilligan lost the governorship to Republican James A. Rhodes in a tight race in 1974. He subsequently served as the administrator of United States Agency for International Development (USAID) from 1977 to 1979. He served as director of the Institute for Public Policy from 1979 to 1986, and taught at the University of Notre Dame from 1986 to 1992. He also served as director of the civic issues forum at the University of Cincinnati School of Law.

In 1999, at age 78, Gilligan was elected to the Board of Education of the Cincinnati Public Schools. He chose not to stand for re-election when his term expired in 2007.

Gilligan is the father of four children, including Kathleen Sebelius, the current governor of Kansas. They constitute the first father-daughter pair of governors in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._Gilligan

vetoed Voter ID once. And has been fighting the good fight for Public Education since the beginning of her incumbency.

A new point ..... how does a second midwesterner - from a state we will never win - add to the ticket?

As stated in the OP, Obama doesn't need a woman or another minority on his ticket.

one woman, one minority per ticket? The nomination of Obama is a historic opportunity to change the election math.

Not to mention that women are not a minority in this country.

In my opinion, this ticket would reinforce the theme of change in this election, and I think it's about damn time that Midwesterners are nominated for the presidency. But I'm biased - I'm from Nebraska and live in Wisconsin.

I'm evenly divided between Jim Webb, Bill Richardson, or Sebelius. But I'd rather see an all-liberal ticket (Richardson) or a ticket that provides the new face of the Democratic party (Sebelius).

What we want and what we should do are two different things.

and she has spine, smarts, and is a great strategist.

Regards,
An ex-Lawrencian.

She's an average looking woman.
Definitely no beauty. This is not a beauty contest.

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I am not going to say much else 'cause I am tired and drinking scotch liberally.

Scotch, that is.

How much is she paying you to schill for her? Whatever it is, it's too much because you are actually turning people away from her.

I did my own research by considering all the possible VP candidates (at least the well-known ones) and looking into their backgrounds. She's my favorite.

... I just said she makes more sense than Sebelius.

So back the fuck off.

and the need for someone with natikonal security and foreign policy credentials, and guess who was left out?

And 100% right!

:eyes:

How happy are you with Evan Bayh? Ben Nelson, Bob Kerrey, and the whole lot of ..........

....... Dems from uber conservative midwestern states? Who gets elected there? **Conservative** people who **always** come back to bite us in the ass.

That's the 'fact' that matters to me.

....... Dems from uber conservative midwestern states? Who gets elected there? **Conservative** people who **always** come back to bite us in the ass.

That's the 'fact' that matters to me.

Sanders!

and I like Janet for her resume, like Richardson. I, too, hedged a bit when I saw Sebelius being mentioned when I remember watching her give the Democratic response to a B*sh SOTU speech or something like that, and she was very very drab. I think Janet would be a good pick, but I agree with your point of, will it just piss off Clinton backers for him not picking Hillary?, so, he's gotta choose Clark, Edwards, Biden, WEBB, Feingold, Nunn or someone else that is well respected, and of course, politically speaking only here - white.

On edit: Sebelius is well respected, but I don't she's someone that would be a smart choice.

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And I'm not just saying that because I prefer Webb. I'm starting to think that if we absolutely have to pick a woman, then Clinton would be the way to go. I threw up a little when I wrote that, but it's true.

Ok now that I think about it Boxer would be better female candidate than Clinton.

I'm not advocating for a woman. He doesn't need a woman.

I agree with you. He doesn't need a woman VP. There aren't that many good VP candidates regardless.

I'm hoping for Biden, but think he'll choose Webb... which is ok too.

hold yourself to the same standard when it comes to other women.

Be respectful if you demand that kind of respect.

What does a woman candidate's weight or degree of attractiveness have to do with it?


Surely, what is between her ears has more to do with whether she is qualified candidate than what is between her legs, her arms or what holds her pants up!

Try reading the OP again.

The idea is to actually read the entire post and digest it before you weigh in.

Okay?

I wasn't talking to you. I have talked to you elsewhere and answered you patiently. You choose to be willfully ignorant and purposefully argumentative.

You've posted more in this thread than I have. Enjoy it. I'm done with you.

People only want Sebelius because she's pretty and slim? So does this mean people only want Wes Clark because he's slim and sexy? Or Webb because he sounds so manly? Did we pick Obama because he's one of the top 25 best in shape men in America?

Hmmm...what's the proper response here? Does the phrase "fuck you, asshole" work as a response? (this is a Terminator joke if you don't know).

Lets see, How 'bout:

- Being recognized as one of the best governors in the country, which shores up executive experience
- Helps out in the West which works with Obama's map
- Helps out in Ohio, as her father was governor there
- Enjoys lots of support from independents and republicans, which is critical in swing states
- Could help with women disenchanted with Hillary losing

So again, doesn't help out?

Um, no, that's a pretty silly claim, as silly as the ones I made above.

Is Napolitano a better choice? I dunno. As stupid as it sounds, the fact that she's single will cause issues with values voters, but perhaps not. In any event, I don't see that she helps in Ohio.

You missed what was in the OP below the pictures. And I'm not saying anything abut being pretty as a criterion for **me**. I'm saying that I honestly think that a lot of people who are pushing her in the media see it that way.

So back off with your outrage and think about what got said.

And next time .... read the whole OP before you go off half cocked. Replying to the opposite of the point made in the OP hurts your credibility.

Maybe its just me, but Sebelius doesn't come across as a playboy bunny. Perhaps people actually think she'd be the best pick for reasons other than the sex appeal you apparently think we all recognize. Whether or not you think a woman should be on the ticket (or that Hillary should be the woman if one is wanted) is a completely separate issue than dissing Sebelius just because she has the misfortune of not being fat.

EDIT: And BTW, I like her speaking style.

.... have you yet figured out that **I** am not saying she should get the job cuz she's pretty? My essential point is that Obama doesn't need **any** woman on the ticket. Or any minority.

I also think that he doesn't need anyone from a neighboring state that neither he nor ANY Democrat will win anytime son. And that she has no national fundraising ability. And that she's more in the mold of Blue Dog Ben Nelson than a liberal, which pushes the ticket far too right to suit me (and probably most Democrats). And that she fills no resume holes for Obama.

She is being pushed in the media because she's a woman. And then that gets to why her and not some other woman. I used Napolitano simply as an example. I could just as easily have used Barbara Mikulski (who is my Senator and who I love), except she's not a governor.

Now you can keep on braying about Sebelius. That's your opinion and its your right. But when you tell me you disagree with me, at least have the common sense to disagree on my central point. Not some tangential side show issue.

choosing her as an interchangeable woman candidate to placate Hillary supporters. Nevermind that she was on Kerry's short list as well. What you seem to be missing is there is actually a very strong case that can be made for Sebelius regardless of her gender - that she fits all the things you think Obama needs.

But again, your point is incredibly obscured by spouting off remarks that all those who support Sebelius do so because you think she's a hot chick, and therefore we do as well. This is a fairly strange view. Worse, you buy into the Clinton supporters "Highlander" theory that "There can be only ONE" woman candidate up for consideration. Its OK if you want to look at lots of candidates with three legs, but God forbid you attempt to consider a candidate who happens to be a woman on their own merit. After all, most people just spout her name off 'cause she's skinny and stuff.

That is what I object to - that isn't a tangential side show issue, and truly, your post breaks down because of it. Had you wanted to engage in that conversation, you should have just stated that "Women and minorities should be out - Obama needs a white male because only they can link up with his vision, needs and so forth" and then go on describing your rationale, as it were.

Bottom line, regardless of race or gender, if a candidate is qualified, they should be considered. And if a candidate happens to help with a voting block, be it independents, women or hispanics, this too should be taken in account.

In my mind, Sebelius should be at the top of the list, and not because she's pretty, and even if she is still a she-la.

I stated my points to you endlessly. You're going to be obtuse. I don't have time for that. If you want to engage with reason, fine. If you want to keep this crap up, I'm done. You get the last word. I know little people like you need that.

;)

Look below the pictures. That would be about where your comprehension slipped the rails.

That's a fairly odd position to take. That's all I'll say...

a VP that suits Obama's style, vision needs and so forth, while people who pick Sebelius are probably doing so because she's pretty.

Thew concluding sentence of the OP says: "Obama needs to get a veep that suits his style, his vision, and his needs. What he doesn't need is a woman or a minority."

See? No endorsement and not even a suggestion. It sorta says he needs to pick who he wants, but that he doesn't *need* a woman or a minority.

But carry on with your outrage .........

Just trying to add something positive to one of your posts.

Obama needs to get a veep that suits his style, his vision, and his needs. What he doesn't need is a woman or a minority.

What if the person who happens to suit his style, vision and needs just happens to be a woman or a minority?

woman candidate up for consideration at a time, or so many appear to believe. Apparently, Hillary has already filled the woman's slot, so Sebelius, Napolitano and the rest are out of luck. To bad for the Democratic party if either of them would make the ideal running mate. Same with Minorities - clearly Obama has that locked up...

:sarcasm:

That's so out of left field, its not even funny.

I said he doesn't **need** one. If he wants one, that's another story.

Others say he needs someone with extensive foreign policy experience. Are there any women with foreign policy experience?

On our side, Albright, but she's not US born.

Though I doubt she would stoop to the level of tutoring Obama in foreign policy.

but he's a Senator and it probably wouldn't be a good idea to run two Senators.

I think the clear choice is a dark horse this year.

Wes Clark.

They don't give a shit about other women.