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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:05 PM
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But it's not fair . . .
http://www.anonymousliberal.com/2008/05/but-its-not-fair.html

But it's not fair . . .
The Anonymous Liberal

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First, and most obviously, the nomination fight is not supposed to be a meritocracy. If it was, Clinton would have long ago lost the race to candidates like Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, and Bill Richardson, all of whom have way more experience than she does and many more political accomplishments to their name. Clinton may be older than Obama, but her governmental resume isn't all that much longer than his, and both have far less experience than most of the other candidates in the race (and in past presidential races for that matter).

To put it another way, unlike promotions at work, elections are supposed to be popularity contests. That's the whole idea. There's nothing unfair about voters choosing the more charismatic, inspirational candidate. That's how things work in politics. It's the reason her husband--who was younger than Obama and had less national experience--came to be elected President.

Those Clinton supporters who think the outcome of this race is unfair also seem oblivious to the larger picture. Going into this race Clinton had every advantage. She was the establishment candidate. Among other things, she had the backing of hundreds of super delegates, a vast network of donors, and all of the top campaign staff. And it's not as if she ended up losing to some good old boy who used his connections to screw her out of the job. She lost to an insurgent outsider, a man who wasn't given much of a shot to win, a man who--by the way--is now poised to become the first black candidate to win the nomination of a major party.

So the notion that Clinton somehow got cheated out of something she deserved strikes me as an indefensible proposition. She going to lose and she will have lost fair and square.

It's funny. If Clinton supporters are filled with bitterness over the current outcome, imagine how they would react if she held an insurmountable lead in elected delegates and her opponent was trying to snatch victory away from her by 1) counting votes and delegates earned in unofficial contests which no one campaigned in and which weren't supposed to count, 2) awarding her zero votes and zero delegates in one of those states because her name was not on the ballot, and 3) trying to convince the party establishment (super delegates) to overturn her victory among elected delegates and award the nomination to her opponent. My guess is that everyone would be screaming bloody murder.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:06 PM
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1. yep. She wants to keep those two states in limbo.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:19 PM
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3. I do think it will be resolved whether she likes it or not. Here's Wolfson's
latest:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=108x131454


:crazy:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05...

Wolfson: Even If Florida And Michigan Aren't Seated, An Obama Victory Would Be Legit
By Greg Sargent - May 22, 2008, 12:37PM

On a conference call with reporters just now, Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson flatly rejected the notion that Camp Hillary is pushing for a full seating of Florida and Michigan in order to ensure that Obama's win is seen as somehow tainted should the delegations not be seated.

Wolfson was asked by Slate's John Dickerson if an Obama victory would be "counterfeit" if the delegations aren't seated -- and the votes aren't counted -- in the manner Hillary hopes.

"I wouldn't use the word you used," Wolfson answered. "This is not about tainting the nominating process. It's about an effort to secure maximum participation from everyone who came out and voted."

Wolfson added: "That's not what Senator Clinton is thinking, not what we're thinking. I wouldn't characterize it in the way that you characterized it."

That would appear to be a flat-out assertion that Hillary's position is that even if she doesn't get the votes counted as she hopes to, Obama's victory would be nonetheless completely legitimate.

Late Update: Here's the audio from the conference call-at link~
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:17 PM
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2. Too bad this will go over the Hill supporters heads
on DU. They probably see this as sexist
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:25 PM
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4. How would this be construed as sexist? It's shoe-on-the-other-foot common sense. nt
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:30 PM
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5. I should have been more clear I was being Sarcastic n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:30 PM
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6. Gotcha! I should lighten up!
:rofl:
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:32 PM
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7. you know how any criticism of Hillary
is construed by her supporters on DU as sexism eventhough in my opinion she has used race as a wedge issue in this primary.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:34 PM
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8. I know. I've been watching and listening. nt
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:25 AM
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12. Sarcasm aside...
Some can find sexism in the unlikeliest of places.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:35 PM
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9. K&R. And another thing...
The media treated her as the front-runner from the day after the '04 election, she received pretty good press for the last four years in that respect; and they continued to treat her as the front-runner after she and other candidates announced. And then the voters started having their say...which turned out to be something completely different in more cases than not in this primary.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:39 PM
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10. The last paragraph: you betcha.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:32 PM
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11. So true. The same people that are crying foul that she's losing would be
flipping out if the scenario was reversed and Obama wanted to count FL and MI.

Great article. K&R
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:27 AM
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13. It looks like a lot of us hit our limit today.
I just posted a similar thread, and I'm happy to kick yours!

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