6:35 am cst: CNN Breaking News: The two campaigns are in talks right now

Suzanne Malveaux is reporting by phone that Obama and Clinton are discussing Clinton's exit strategy and potentially the VP slot. I'll post a link as soon as I find one.

CNN = Clinton News Network

This is a story from Hillary's camp, the point of which is to say "Obama must offer Hillary the VP!"

Guess what, Hillary? You're never going to be on that ticket!!

Hil lost any "right" to be Obama's VP when she started giving aid & comfort to the GOP.

The choice is Obama's. Others can try to exert influence, but it is his choice.

:sarcasm:

this forum provided unintentional proof that Mark Twain was correct when he said that the problem in the world today is not one of ignorance, but rather of people knowing so darned much that just ain't so. There are super delegates who may be telling the Obama campaign that they will endorse Obama if he will agree to put Clinton on the ticket. But that is distinct from the super delegates having the authority to force a VP on Obama at the convention, who he does not want. A shallow grasp of the issues creates confusion for some.

It depends on how many of the delegates think a unity ticket is a good idea. The VP choice has to be voted on by the delegates and competing nominations can be made. While a majority of the delegates are going to support Obama as the presidential nominee, he doesn't "control" a majority of the delegates. Its impossible to predict how many of the SDs that support Obama (or, for that matter, how many of the pledged delegates) think a unity ticket is a good idea and would support HRC if her name was placed into nomination on the convention floor, even in opposition to Obama's choice.

In other words, delegates exercise free will -- they typically go along with the presidential nominee's vp selection because, after all, in most instances, a clear majority of the delegates are loyal to the presidential nominee. Whether that is the case this year, or whether a significant number of SDs (and pledged delegates) may think that a unity ticket is a good thing -- well, that's the wild card.

As I've said elsewhere, I don't think HRC wants the number two spot, certainly not enough to put the party through a bruising floor fight that she more than likely would lose (and that, even if she won, would be extremely damaging).

So, in the end, it probably is Obama's choice, but in a sense, its up to HRC to allow it to be so.

that is inaccurate. You cannot name a single time when either the republican or democratic convention forced a VP on any presidential candidate.

Super delegates can attempt to exercise influence before the convention. More, it is true that some of the super delegates who are still officially "undecided" are expressing their opinion that a unity ticket is now in the best interests of the party. There are certainly valid points that can be raised, either pro or con, regarding this option.

People who are interested in the actual process would enjoy reading any number of Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.'s books, perhaps none more so than the recently released "Journals: 1952-2000."

In Hillarese. a "snow-balls chance in hell" = YOU CAN'T STOP HER!

...but he is not the sort of fool who would ignore Clinton's massive support. Of course he's considered her for VP, and if he's ruled her out, it's for a very good reason. Ego alone won't drive that decision, I think.

many times, Senator Clinton would be on anyone's "shortlist" for VP.

choice for a presidential candidate.

:rofl:

Their power is diminished. The fresh air is blowing in, finally.

That one hurt, it was so funny.

The nomination was hers, too.

Or do you just repeat each other?

Seriously, though, is it somehow comforting to say the same thing over and over, or is it a nervous tick? It'd hate to make fun of someone's disability.

the ticket without the floor's support of her canidacy.

do NOT want her on the ticket anyway, so who's going to force her on Obama?

And is it a good idea anyway? Polls show 50% of her supporters not voting for Obama come the fall. But those come from WV and KY polls- we'd expect the numbers are hardly representative of the nation. So say 33% of her voters nation wide are saying they will not vote Obama come fall. We can expect some to change their mind come fall. So 25% may actually make up on their promise ( a huge figure actually but- whatever). POlls now nationally show her at around 40% of national support amongst democrats. 25% of that is 10%. Is it worth it for Obama to take Clinton on the ticket just to secure 10% of the democratic vote (and some of that my still not vote for him anyway, their attitude being more anti-Obama than pro-Clitnon)? GIVEN the large negatives she brings such as:

1)If Republicans are now disenfranchised with their party and many willing to seat the election home, if there's one thing that will make them come out in droves to vote is a ticket with not only a black man there with the name of Hussein, but Hillary Clinton on as well!
2) I can hardly imagine ANY independent or Republican who is now considering voting democrat who will do so if Hillary is on the ticket.

Summing up, Hillary does not bring on the ticket nothing other than a small assurance that some of her supporters won't sit the election out, while it brings massive negatives on the ticket.

BUT at the end of the day, we must think of the good of the nation first. The VP slot should not only be considered as part of what makes for a good electoral victory- but will the VP be able to work harmoniously with the president to provide good results and policies for the country. Even if political consideration made Hillary a good electoral choise (which they don't) they do not make her a practical choice as far as ability to work with Obama goes. The two characters are at odds, and I honestly believe the two in fact hate the guts out of each other.

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Least of all the nasty piece of work that has been slagging him off for 15 months...


Fuck that noise...

That was one big problem with her campaign from the get-go. She thought she was automatically entitled to the nomination, despite the fact that an enormous chunk of the population of the United States can't stand her.

About Bill Clinton now supposedly pimping this idea. :crazy:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24785209/


So there we have it, once again it's about Clinton becoming President, not the good of the country/party/people/whatever.

We're supposed to think that Hillary is only thinking about the presidency, and that only those around her are pushing the VP idea. All part of the delusion that is Hillary.

She's nuts, and she's getting nuttier.

It will be nice to see this end so we can begin the General Election fight. I would love to see them both on the same ticket. At least we would have a chance against McCain. Thanks for letting us know.

is that the networks are FINALLY dumping on McCain for his "evangelical problem" as they call it PLUS the McCain medical dump is today. :bounce:

It's obvious that those talks consist of Obama telling her no way. Why else would his campaign leak out info yesterday that he was starting the V.P. selection process? Also, even if you don't follow my logic, commonsense still tells us that Hillary would be on his short list, so of course he would talk to her about the V.P. position.

as the nomination was not Obama's yet.

I swear I'm gonna go crazy the next time a politician uses either of these words. They're being disingenuous and are just avoiding the question.

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assuming it's true of course.

I'm ready to get this part over with and start on the general race.

...imagine the worst

you get my drift

My sense was he came on to stomp out the story Hillary had just let loose in print and TV media.

Whatever CNN is reporting isn't true according to him. One never knows though.

He did address the VP rumor though.

The camps may very well be in negotiations, he didn't deny that - however he did deny the VP rumor. He doesn't need to admit they're talking.

The wailing and gnashing will begin.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

There are actually people on this board that owe me $$$ if the unity ticket comes to be. I'd say that's pretty smug... to bet actual bucks on who someone won't choose for VP.


Prepare for the apocolypse....


:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Tis immanent.


:nuke:

this is nothing but a planted story to get Clinton on the ticket. How many times do you have to be told no?

She is not owed a thing.

that Mr. Clinton had not had private conversations in which he was pushing her for the vice presidency or arguing that she deserved it, and that he believed the choice of a running mate was a personal one for the nominee."

No, really???

and how do people know this stuff?

and how do people know this stuff?

I doubt the part about discussing veep but I think there probably are some talks going on, maybe about Hillary's role as a cabinet member, senate leader, influence in DNC, etc. Putting her in charge of health care reform might just be the kind of thing she'd really like. Despite her failure the first time around as First Lady with health care, I think if she could get that done now she'd have a legacy of her own that rivals that of being a president.

She's wrong more than she's right. And I definitely would take any "scoop" from her with a grain of salt.

... I doubt this is about VP.

...will have to reign in BOTH Clinton's constantly and will almost certainly lose his "change for America" donors aka Dems sick of the DLC...

It makes sense that this is about how FL and MI get represented and how Hillary will claim the praise for "re-enfranchising" the voters and then gracefully and quietly exit the stage...

They're arguing about whether to give her a parachute.

Or not.

Just a joke. Ha ha ha.

Clinton Campaign in Talks With Obama About VP Slot, CNN Says

By Chris Dolmetsch

May 23 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign is in formal talks with Senator Barack Obama's campaign about becoming his vice presidential running mate, CNN reported, without citing anyone specific.

The two Democratic campaigns are talking about ways for Clinton, from New York, to drop her bid for president that may include joining the Illinois senator's ticket, CNN reported. Talks are in a ``very preliminary'' stage and are described as ``difficult,'' the network said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=apUvejwrj_bw&refer=us

At least to some extent, that is the essence of politics.