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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:10 AM
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I'm an Arkansan...never a Hillary fan, but I sadly think he's going to have to give her VP
Edited on Fri May-23-08 09:11 AM by nonobadfish
I have been fighting and fighting against this (there are a very few of us who live in Arkansas who have seen this behavior from the Clintons up close and have not ever fully trusted them), but I think if he doesn't give her VP, she will fight on to the convention and no one can stop her. She will appeal whatever decision the Rules Committee comes up with until it gets to the convention floor.

AND I also believe her purpose for staying in and running her campaign this way has become clear: By dividing the party so completely, Obama has no choice but to choose her as VP. I know everyone says that the party will come together when there is a nominee, but I think this year is different. Hillary has smartly connived to make this into a women's equality issue, and I've never seen anything this divisive.

We knew better than to count the Clintons out...they're too smart. They saw the writing on the wall before the rest of us did, and changed course to get the VP when none of us realized that is what they were doing.

Before you scream at me, let me state that I understand...Hillary is completely against everything Obama stands for and also having Bill in the White House will be horrendous. But I think it's going to have to happen now that this has taken this turn and lasted so long.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:12 AM
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1. Obama will not be swayed by petty tyrants, at home or a broad
a broad
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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:14 AM
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3. I agree , but it's no longer that simple. I think he now has to have her to win in Nov.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:20 AM
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11. You must mean all those white women votes.
I'm a white woman and Obama got my vote.
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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:23 AM
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14. I'm a white woman, over 50 and he got my vote, too. But there's many who are angrier than I thought
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:25 AM
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The longer this crap goes on, the angrier I get.
I'm sick of her threatening to do this or that. Do it and shut up and then we'll move on.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:25 PM
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25. Hillary as VP on ticket: (1) Unite Repubs (2) Divide Demos & Independents for real change.
Clinton will take this grassroots campaign down the tubes.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:27 PM
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26. Wrong...
Who does she have to have to win, it sure won't be me or my family...
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:25 AM
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16. Careful, your sexism is showing. Also your naivete.
Obama had no trouble at all playing politics and getting along with Daley's machine in Chicago.

Compared to that, being realistic enough to accept that Hillary does have the support of roughly half the Democratic party is no sort of compromise at all.

The only things likely to get in the way of a unity ticket that's his surest chance of winning in November are the supporters who incorrectly believe he's new politics and she's old politics, and (perhaps) his ego.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:14 AM
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2. Clinton's meme of the day, however it won't happen. n/t
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:15 AM
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4. I think you're right too, and it sucks.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 09:15 AM by faithfulcitizen
To divide the party is precisely her intent, to prove her worth- i.e. I bring hard working white voters that you can't get without me. And of course the older women vote, and playing the sexism card, yes, all in attempt to FORCE her way onto his coattails. DISGUSTING.
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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:19 AM
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8. And she knew exactly what she was doing.. She turned it into a matter of principle for followers.
We didn't see it coming...yet she divided the group so completely that she now becomes the only one who can bring her group back into the fold. She turned it into more than a political battle...it has now become a moral issue to many of her followers...a matter of principle.

I really think she has made it such a big issue in the minds of her followers that they will stay home in November if she's not on the ticket.

I can't tell you how badly I hate this and I hope I'm wrong.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:15 AM
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5. Oh for cryin out loud!
What a load!



This is getting ridiculous
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:15 AM
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6. I'm for feeding Slick a parade of sluts to keep him away from democratic change
Ferchrissakes, I'll pay for whores for Slick so he just stays away.

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:16 AM
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7. Nope, not true. Al Giordano reported Obama said no to her VP request
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:20 AM
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9. I really have to disagree. This year is simply not "different". It's a typical battle.
The angst is not new, it's just now, so it feels bad. But this is really not a personal contest between the will power of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. It's a democratic process. If Clinton really pushes it to the wall and dragging it out future, she'll start losing support among her base. The next place you're gonna see democracy in action is in the credentials committee as she dips a toe in her "nuclear" options. Trying anything sketchy at this point will only cause her to bleed support.
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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:21 AM
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12. I SINCERELY hope you are right.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:20 AM
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10. Pantsuits go on sale June 4th. Red is my favorite color!
Edited on Fri May-23-08 09:21 AM by papapi
But I'll wear blue if I can be VP.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:22 AM
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13. I think Hillary is going to help Obama pick a Veep, not be the actual VP
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:23 AM
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15. he stated flatly that he would not negotiate with terrorists
now I do love me some terrorists

my kids were terrorists... and I love them.

but they learned... it's departmental policy...
I DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS

when Clinton stops the threats to the Democratic Party by continuing her campaign to the convention...

for weeks... I mean WEEKS, not just a convenient couple of days... maybe

But, my opinion is, it's too late for her to redeem herself

If she were throwing a tantrum in front of the candy counter at the grocery store, I would walk away and pretend she was someone else's kid
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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:26 AM
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17. But I think it's not just Hillary throwing the tantrum. She's got them all holding their breaths.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:08 AM
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20. it's the media and paid hacks... along with a few honest Democrats
the division is about primary preferences and will go away when the primary is over (if it ever is)

no woman is going to vote agaist Roe v Wade unless she's a Republican

no working stiffs across this country are going to vote against Obama unless their Republicans or Racists

Kentucky and WV are tempests in a teapot... the identical Demographic crossed over and voted for Bush...

there IS NO PROBLEM except as manufactured by the Clinton camp and the WAR PROFITEER owned media

it is all propoganda... ALL the time
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:13 AM
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22. Amen. Great post. n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:18 PM
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24. Good, let them pass out.
Then we can get on with our fight against McCain.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:33 AM
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18. Also a Obama supporter who is 59 +
I have no qualms about giving away my age.. and just for reference .. white as casper the ghost..so the idea that all these middle aged women are out to sink Obama, just does not make any sense to me..I know when we are passionate about our candidate we can say some things we might regret later in the heat of battle..but if someone is going to vote against the party because their candidate did not get in..especially with so much at stake.. they most likely were not going to vote democratic in the first place..

All that being said.. Hillary would have made a great president as will Barack.. my main concern in not having Hillary as a VP.. is not Hillary, but Bill.. there would be too much back room fighting and it could hurt the programs that we as democrats are going to try and push through.

We have to realize, we only get a one maybe two year at the most window, to get these things moving, and the natural course for change in the government comes up in the populace..and whether it is fair or not.. and I don't think it is fair.. Bill would be a magnet , and absolute magnet for continual negativity that would take the push for new programs and getting us back on track right off the screen
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:29 PM
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27. Correct..
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:41 AM
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19. All the progressive ideas Obama has will be....
overshadowed by their presence in the run up to the GE. She has become one of the most polarizing figures in political history, and he has become a real liability because of his apparent lack of self control when it comes to running his mouth and his antagonistic approach with the press. They will take the spotlight and it will become a referendum on the clinton years. The gop would like nothing better than to hash up Whitewater, travelgate and monica so it becomes all about them and Obama's vision is pushed to the side.

I thought this campaign was all about turning the page.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:10 AM
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21. I hope you're wrong too. I just don't see it happening for many reasons.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:13 PM
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23. If he did that,
he would be handing the WH to McCain. Won't happen. It would make him look weak. It would raise the spectre of having the Clintons back in the WH. There would be zero advantage for him.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:31 PM
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28. Everyone seems to think that all Obama supporters will..
support the ticket, there is a lot of hate for this woman and if they let her get her way they will begin to see how much..
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:32 PM
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29. Happily, I think you're wrong. We'll see though. I already have a bet on it here.
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