Women who are true feminists would not jeopardize a vote for a McCain presidency...

When I read of someone not wanting to vote for Obama because they are a feminist and only would support a woman for the WH, one thought comes to mind: they aren't a TRUE feminist, because a TRUE feminist would NOT want Roe v. Wade touched, healthcare for children jeopardized, and the many other issues that only a Democratic President can assure.

Those who continue to say they will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee or not on the ticket had no intention of voting for the Democratic nominee (whoever it to be) from the beginning of this race, OR they are simply missing the big picture: it's not all about a particular candidate, rather what we are desperately needing in this country now.

I appreciate how Obama is handling the tension between he and Hillary. I think he is trying to be respectful which shows a lot character and maturity. Yes, I am a supporter of Obama, but I also am a supporter of whoever will be the nominee. To think of losing this election to John McCain
is incomprehensible.

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when they lose fair and square. she shames us by her actions. I cannot stand it.

Those who would vote McCain over Obama and claim to be Democrats and feminists are neither, imo.

based solely on thier genital configuration either....

I know many women started out supporting Hillary for policy reasons, but lately there are more than a few who are stubbornly sticking by her just because it's time for a woman to be president, jaw-droppingly short sighted :wow:

I think a lot of the things being said now are emotional reactions. I have to hope in the time between now and Nov, cooler heads will prevail. The 'movement' stuff worries me, though. If they keep nurturing the irrationality, who knows how long it'll last.

hopefully things will settle down soon.

I'm a Kucinich supporter, and neither of the remaining candidates is anywhere close to what I believe in or want to happen in our country, but you can bet your bottom dollar I'm voting for the Democratic nominee. Otherwise--well, I couldn't look into the face of a family whose daughter died after a botched back-alley abortion. That could well happen again if McCain is elected and the SCOTUS changed. Heck, we may even not be able to get contraception, and if the fetus is termed a human being, women who miscarry could be liable for prosecution, couldn't they? I know this is worst case scenario, but that is what we need to do to remember what is at stake in this election.

looks like my big cat...:)

home to me, but the folks in Alabama will look after my prince to the end of his days. I think it was a cat life well shared. Hope yours gives you as much pleasure and consolation in this cold world.

Voting for someone who will outlaw abortion! That's what feminism is to ME! Oh yeah, and men owning women like property! Also what feminism is to ME! It's all relative right!?

/sarcasm off

your model, just as it was in the Orthodox community. Good for me, I walked away once and don't feel the need to join another closed-minded clique.

I'm just saying there are some basic rights afforded to women that are the core of feminism that are not relative, that are not up to the individual woman to "decide for herself". Don't you agree?

Just because some women believe that abortion should be outlawed, does that make that view "feminist"?

Don't bother your head with what might happen if McCain appoints two more ultra-conservative judges. I will tell my daughters it's because of people like you.

values because they're designed against our nature. Be yourself and accept what biology dictates, but master your behavior because your emotions will be driven by hormones.

And don't worry about starting a family young ... if you can support yourself first, everyone will be happier. Don't depend on a man for support - it's another avoidable trap.

As for people like me, who have enjoyed long loving marriages, I'd say they could do worse. As for my professional career, they will have to work very hard to do better. I wish them well, despite their biological parent.

Ugh.

I don't think I'll be passing her advice on to my daughters. ;-)

:)

I can see it now.

if someone says they will vote for McSame if Hilary isn't on the ticket needs to change thier party affiliation to repug and become the stepford wife they truly are> We don't want your sorry asses in the party.

Feminism is not something that each individual woman decides for herself!!! It's an established movement of a community of women!

Are we going to let the individual women of the FLDS compound decide what feminism is now?

paleeze already.

for your constant shit stirring...but then that's really why you're here, right?:eyes:

"Feminists" saying they will vote for McCain are saying they don't care if their daughters or granddaughters die from painful back-alley abortions. Give me a break!

PDF file of Best & Worst Members of Congress from Children's Defense Fund

Huffington Post Article by Sam Stein, "Clinton, Obama Score Well on Children's Issues, McCain Worst In Senate"

As the Huffington Post article observes, some years Obama is better by 10 pts over Clinton, sometimes it's the other way around; but McCain is solidly one of the very worst of the worst in the US Senate when it comes to children's issues. This year McCain scored an ABYSMAL 10% with no one else sharing the bottom rung with him.

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If you want women forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term and the resulting children to grow up in misery and crime, just help McCain get elected this year. Abortion will become a Federal crime in a short while and remain illegal in almost any circumstances for a generation or more.

that says it all:thumbsup:

I know what it's like to loose a primary to a candidate who was not even my third or fourth choice, or whom I truly didn't like.

I'm, woman of 60, and in all my years as a devoted Democrat, this is only the second time the person I supported in the primary has actually become the nominee. Only the second time! I was often heartbroken when my candidate lost. Stomping around, or shedding tears, so I understand the depth and expression of the emotions felt by ardent Clinton supporters.

I have learned that loosing battles happens. Getting up, looking at the whole picture, and continuing to work for the larger victory is the way to win the war.


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Women who support Clinton are objecting because:

1. She's the more qualified candidate & experienced candidate

2. She has more support than Obama - winning the popular vote, especially in key swing states Dems must carry

3. Obama will not win against McCain - the GOP and news media are sitting on a nasty campaign (one Sen. McConnell recently described as "severely critical" of Obama, including his admitted drug use)

4. Dems need to win in November. Having another GOP WH will ruin the country.

WOMEN--and I should know since I am one--who support John McCain and claim to be a feminist and all that it entails--would not screw up their vote to vote for a man who does not support women. And that would be John McCain just in case you missed it. (seems so)

I've read many of your posts and I truly wonder if you really believe the shit you say. You don't speak for ALL women and unless you have a crystal ball that gives true accounts of the future, you have no way of knowing the outcome until November comes and goes.

Step out of that narrow world you live in.

and cried BULLSHIT! Corporatists who are out for themselves are NOT FEMINISTS!

Some welcome the prospect, yes--and why not?--but "only"? I haven't heard that anywhere.