That's IT, Hillary. That's the LAST STRAW. GET OUT NOW.

Get out of the RACE, get out of MY PARTY, get out of MY STATE.

You are DESPICABLE.


HILLARY RAISES ASSASSINATION ISSUE

How does the SS respond to this?

What goddamn crime. You people are a joke.

Oh, the Schutzstaffel would like this.

;-)

come back and eat crow for us

Stormfront.org

But don't put a picture of bush up with a target painted on him. They will be knocking at your door.

is worthy of castigation. Historical reference really bothers you folks.

I guess they think "BELIEVE" is easier than studying for that final exam, or something.

When Robert Kennedy was assassinated, it may have been june, but back then, only 13 of the primaries had occurred, so it was still very early on in the process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968#Primaries

And as far as her own husband's campaign, which I can't imagine she forgets having been there, the primaries started a month later than this year, and were spread out much later in the year as opposed to so many happening earlier on like this year.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E2D91138F935A35750C0A96E9C8B63&scp=3&sq=conrad+1992&st=nyt

so yeah, primaries have lasted till june but its only a surface truth.

I'll not comment on appropriateness of her reference to the assassination, as others have done so already.

Did you even READ your link???

Thanks for bringing that up. So Robert Kennedy's was not assasinated after being in the race for the long haul...!! I would have given Clinton the benefit of the doubt if he had.

His assasination in June cannot logically be compared to the current race! Sure Clinton knows he was killed very early in the Primary. So why mention it??

Only thirteen states HELD primaries in sixty eight. Two, I think, held caucuses.

That was the LAST primary. CA. RFK won. That's why it was ON TO CHICAGO.

Good grief. You just disproved the point you were trying to make, because you do not know Twentieth Century American History.

Take a course, it might be helpful.

Back then, we picked our nominees in those smoke-filled rooms that everyone's crying about. Now those were "super delegates," those bastards in those back rooms. RFK was gearing up for a FLOOR FIGHT, see? That's why he said ON TO CHICAGO.

Your correction is enough proof that Hillary didn't have any malicious intent towards Obama. Thanks

She should not be discussing assassination as a reason to be continuing this race. There are just so many more and better ways of getting the same point across. She's not stupid, and that's why she is wrong.

There are lots and lots of very intelligent people who suffer from the same "disease"....as I called it somewhere else, gross foot-in-mouth disease.

I honestly think she has a problem with social interactions and knowing when to speak and when to shut the hell up.

I have a sister with a similar problem. For years I thought she was just either evil or stupid. She's neither...she really does have perception problems that cause her to say the most idiotic things at precisely the wrong moments. So I'm willing to grant Hillary the benefit of the doubt and not see what she said as anything other than faulty brain wiring.

That having been said, though...as I did point out somewhere else on these boards, we certainly do NOT need another president who says idiotic things.

It's going to take all the diplomacy in the world plus some to fix the damage that moron GWB did...

and if I'm being totally honest, there have been lots of times where I myself have said some really off the wall stuff and been totally misunderstood.

So I guess I have the same problem and that's why I'm willing to be a bit lenient toward Hillary (even though I don't like her much). I've said stuff that, a minute later I stopped and thought, OH MY GOD....why the hell did I say that?????

Which is why I prefer communicating through the written word because at least I can go back and change something before someone has a chance to read it and get the wrong idea about my intelligence or my motives...

:7

that she should have thought about the assassination comment before she spoke it. I personally think it was a probably a mistake, but would another candidate be given the same consideration that Mrs. Clinton has been given after referencing it two times before and also referencing JFK's assassination in refering to Obama also. I'm sorry, but I know history too well and that is why I don't like this kind of mistakes, especially after she has named herself the "white man's" candidate as she stood in the back of a pick up truck inside a stadium. I come from pick-up country and I know what it means, I understand "white speak". I have heard it most of my life.

and we've had enough. Why doesn't she just shut up about Bobby Kennedy's Assassination in June?

streak through the neighborhood, claim she was abducted by aliens while dodging sniper fire and chosen by them as the Goddess of Peace then laugh it all off at a press conference AND YOU WOULD STILL SUPPORT HER. Talk about mob psychology have you no sense of decency???

What are you, five?

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about re-electing bush, but that didn't make them right.

Right around now I think the number would be significantly higher.

Hertz Donut.

What a hysterical bunch of nonsense.

Whats wrong with suggesting Obama could be assassinated? No big deal right? Come on.

overblown nonsense.

I dont believe that for a second. "Finger-gate", "Snub-gate", and on and on and on.

you cant, because you don't have a leg to stand on.
Hysterical?, nope, just a thinking HUMAN being.

I cannot fathom why anyone, ANYONE, could defend this.
Not someone with my values, thats for sure.

...a doomed campaign is just in case some one kills the nominee?

Cause if she got elected, she could raise all that money back real quick from her many corporate lobbyist buddies.

that offends some? And the same folks have no trouble with Barack milking the example the sainted Bobby at every opportunity though RFK Jr. supports Hillary.

and brother support Barack what's your point?

was competing in JUNE! Get it JUNE! This is still MAY.

Which she keeps on bringing up....she is an awful human being.

Anything can happen and Bobby Kennedy alot.

She is a disgusting human being.

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I've seen all that, and more, here.

More than once.

So what you are saying, is that you believe this forum is Obama Underground. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Of course, that takes self awareness.

It was a mistake to even bring it up, and you know it.

Or for many to post similar thoughts about the Clinton's on this site? Just yesterday many were advocating "gallows and other actions I will not spell out.

Gee, what's the problem?

Hillary Clinton just racked up a SHIT load of hate points for this one. What's that you say? Just a gaffe? Senator Kerry sends his apologies.

I have read plenty of nasty things said about Obama here and else where. I don't blame hillary or mccain for these things. What I do blame them for is what they say multible of times... You learn from your mistakes, you don't repeat them. That is what we have now in the WH. NO MORE!!!

So Senator Obama should have understood "historical fact" and campaigned using it. Got it.

"Yes, Senator Clinton. While you were upstairs reading, Bill was down f$%&ing his intern in the Oval Office. Meanwhile, unbeknownst to you, someone was hiding the Whitewater Papers in your closet. And the one person who had those detailed facts mysteriously committed suicide. I don't remember if the suicide was before or after you fired the entire White House travel staff. All during the period for which you claim you vast experience which made you 'Ready on Day One.' "

Yes, I get it. As long as it is "historical fact" there is no limit for using it in a political campaign, no matter what implications it creates.

Thanks for clarifying.

This race is over.

Don't be disingenuous. She meant she's staying in it because someone could kill the nominee, at which point she'd be promoted by the party.

...for a mighty, intellectual riposte!

Their candidate was promised the
nomination, and she, and they,
apparently have not faced reality.

Or perhaps they are SO republicanized
that they believe that they can
"create reality" and the rest of us
will just have to "re-act" to it.

The logical part of their brains tell them one thing, while their candidate tells them another.

The idea was first formulated by a psychologist observing the behavior of members of a UFO cult.

from wiki:



Hillary tells them, I'm going to win this thing, while all logical data indicates that she has already lost.

One things for sure, she's not doing herself, her supporters, or the party any favors by continuing this charade.

she has shown that she is capable of anything.

Even Grandpa McCain wasn't stupid enough to invoke assassination.
Only Hillary is sick enough, crass enough, hateful enough to do this.

but if I defend Hillary like I did a few months ago..I get kicked off DU for it?

But this isn't the first time she has invoked assassination.

Its stupid if not hateful.

If this is the best she can do, she has no business in public work.

I found this in response to a reasoned traditional media article. The scenario below clearly shows the intent of what happened not only yesterday, but multiple times since March 6th:


Hillary: I think that now that summer has arrived my campaign will thrive. You know summer, when the trees are all leafy. You know trees, like what you hang nooses from.

Oh, you hypesensitive, elite Obama people and biased media! What are you reading into my words this time!!!! I was clearly just talking about trees!!!!

And if anyone is offended, especially the Arbor Day foundation, who I admire greatly, I deeply regret that.

— Posted by tom0063

It's still a free country. (sort of, for now at least)

:hi:

as were a lot of other things. If you want to go back to those days, then you don't know you history or you are a white man. :shrug:

And for all you Hillary lovers out there....let this comment
by your beloved candidate sink in real deep...
Would you want someone that had the audacity to mention
assassination to be our next president?
Drag this woman away quick and put a straight jacket on her
What a disgrace....an embarrassment to the Democratic Party...
shame on her...

No, we don't want a person that considers all options, all possiblities to be President or VP. We want someone who sticks their head in the sand and tells him/herself that bad things won't happen because, well, we just won't think about them.

And all will be well. Nothing bad will ever happen..............
:crazy:

To come out and even mention assassination? Oh please how can you defend the woman...

which is very sad as well. Your candidate will shortly find herself back in her senate seat. There will not be a President Clinton in the White House this time.

as someone up thread suggested of Obama supporters. Geeezh. I remember the assassinations of JFK, MLK Jr, and RFK. I even remember the day the attempt on Reagan was made. Then I remember the way African Americans were once treated. I remember the sundown laws, the refusal to service anyone chosen, the different drinking fountains, and the back of the bus thing. I remember them and I am white, imagine if I was an African American. I remember hearing the stories of the lynching of Black men if they looked the wrong way at a white women, other minor offences such as not doing what a white man told him to, or if someone just got the notion to do it. I remember the violence that happened during the Civil Rights movement. I remember bodies drug out of the water of three young CR workers who were shot and killed for working to get people registered to vote. Yeah, I remember my history real good, and that is why when a candidate like Hillary accidently brings up assassination multiple times, it makes me wonder why some people still defend you as strongly as you here do. JMHO

and the sky will open and celestial angels will start singing and...and..and...oh enough with the speeches and the big rallies.

JUNE??? Hello???

But then, if RFK had been found selling secrets to the Russians in June, instead of getting shot, she would have said that. The point of her remark was the MONTH and the fact that the RFK campaign was ongoing and vital DURING THAT MONTH.

Of course, the Society For the Perpetually Aggrieved are so swift to take offense because they don't KNOW HISTORY.

getting death threats!

Because it might hurt someone's feeeeeeeeeeeelings.

Please.

I'm disgusted, all right, with the hypersensitive absurdity from Team Obama.

"Say such things?" Uh...such THINGS happened. But that wasn't the POINT she was making. Not the WHAT happened (though the WHAT provides a point of reference for people who can't remember shit and are history morons) but the WHEN of it all...and the CIRCUMSTANCES under which it happened--during a continuing CAMPAIGN. And it did not happen in MAY. Or APRIL. Or March.

The point was that the event happened in JUNE.


JUNE.

During a VITAL, ONGOING, "NOT OVER" Presidential campaign.

JUNE.

:eyes:

Team O will get all hysterical, point fingers, pout, with trembling lower lip, and make false assertions.... because they have to pounce on ANYTHING other than the truth, which is that the candidate they shop is a WEAK one who hasn't yet sewn it up--and JUNE is almost upon us.

her at the stake. I didn't call her a bitch. I didn't say bury her or beat her. I said, it was irresponsible..and it is..and guess what, her camp must agree because as reported on MSNBC just now, they are huddling to handle the damage.

The hysteria is coming from your team. And it isn't "hysteria" to point out what is actually happening--a load of bullshit, spin and "deliberate obtuseness" on the part of Team O.

There is no point of pride in being stupid about US history--especially recent history.

Keep this in mind:

--The person who is still campaigning NOW is Clinton.

--The person who was still campaigning THEN was RFK.

So if there are any "assassination comparisons" to be made (and that was NOT the point she was making, the point she was making was all about the month of JUNE), the two candidates who are convoluted in this scenario are HRC and RFK. Not your guy. Unless your gender bias absolutely forbids your comparing a woman senator from New York from a man senator from New York.

But of course, that doesn't fit the Team Obama WHINING agenda. You just have to seek out offense, to twist words six ways to Sunday, and to find a way to make it all about your candidate. Because you always have to be the VICTIMS of "evil racists" who just "hate" Obama because he's "black."

When in actuality, there's nothing of the sort going on -- except in your victimized heads.

stands for insane not angry?

is that it?

Here, read, and be shamed: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/rfk-jr-says-no.html

the fact that you can defend her in this says the latter is likely true

RFK Jr. feels the same way I do.

The MA is for .....


MASSACHUSETTS.

She's probably overtired and she spit out something she probably thinks about often, as many of us do, and it was a truly stupid classless mistake.

This year's primary season can't logically be compared to the one back then in terms of calendar.

but I think more than anything, it's more evidence that her judgement is falling apart.

I'm not excusing it. And I'm sure the question has come up for all of us.. what if? Not everything people think about privately ought to be said publicly.. that is really poor judgement. Integrity? Missing altogether.

that you could erroneously accuse her of mentioning in reference to YOUR candidate.

When your candidate wasn't even mentioned.

When the possibility of such a thing happening to Obama has been in the media and the minds of so many people? There are so many other ways she could have made the same point, and not done herself so much damage, don't you think?

Not talking about facts, history and truths doesn't make them go away.

I yearn for the days when people actually CAN have substantive discussions. It won't happen in this moronic season, though.

There IS a point to be made that her experience (NY Senator/campaigning against presumptive nominee/primary contests winding down in JUNE/On to the Convention for a floor fight) is VERY similar to RFK's. VERY. She is in the same position he was in. Heading to the convention to duke it out. His journey was interrupted. Hopefully hers won't be.

But Obama was NOWHERE near that conversation. Nowhere. It was not about HIM.

That conversation was about HER CAMPAIGN. For some reason, and I postulate SEXISM, frankly, Team Obama had to DRAG Obama into that discussion when his name was not even mentioned, his CAMPAIGN was not mentioned, and the only points of reference were the RFK campaign and Clinton's campaign.

Why do you suppose that Team Obama would engage in such faux poutrage? It's either stupidity, sexism, or it's a deliberate smear job. It's entirely false, these accusations. And they reflect badly on those who made them.

RFK Jr. said it right--Obama supporters were WRONG.

for this reason: "if you wish to be understood, first try to understand the other."

Imagine something like this:

There had been a history of women who ran for high office / had a high political profile in America getting assassinated.
And that Hillary Clinton had often been compared to one or two of those prominent women, for her strength, determination, intelligence.

And that in at least one case, a woman to whom she'd been compared, one much beloved by America, had been running for president -- and had been assassinated at the 11th hour, abruptly ending a very long and successful campaign.

And that because of the history, her supporters and her family were especially concerned for Hillary's life at every turn.


And imagine Obama was asked about why the race was continuing so long, and he said something like:

"it's a tough race, and I'm not sure why my opponent keeps trying to win... but historically speaking, anything can happen... "

Mightn't you be stunned, even feel wounded by such a remark? Would you not be likely to read something into it?


(Also: She did reference Obama and his campaign as trying to push her out of the race, even though he has not done so.)

But it was EDWARDS was the RFK guy--a fellow with money, a lawyer, a politician, who came late in the day to the issues of disenfranchisement and poverty.

RFK could draw a crowd, and so can Obama. But they don't come from the same place at ALL.

And I can't recall any black man in the United State running for ELECTIVE office being assassinated, so if we're punching the race card, that doesn't cut it, either. Obama is not MLK. He isn't an activist, he isn't a minister. He did a little community organizing eons ago, and went into law practice and the state legislature before running for the US Senate. What he is, is a Chicago politician.

Clinton did a lot of work with the underprivileged, too, but no one compares HER to MLK either.

So we should not be even tossing that mantle around Obama's shoulders--not even to be "simplistic" about this matter.

I do recall that quite recently, Benazir Bhutto, running for the leadership of her nation, was assassinated. And Clinton is a Senator, like RFK, from NY, like RFK, battling a presumtive nominee, like RFK, heading towards a convention that will possibly end in a floor fight...like RFK.

But gee, no one looks at the story from that perspective, do they? Because she's not a male. It's the MALE thing that causes people to make that connection between RFK and Obama, and people know it deep in their hearts, even if they won't admit it. It's so knee-jerk automatic that most people refuse to see it. And when they do look, they refuse to admit it, even to themselves, because it touches on something visceral that they don't want to admit about themselves.

but if you want more people to understand your pov, try to understand theirs.

And this entire imbroglio was perpetuated by those who are cheerily shopping a falsehood, both with regard to Clinton's meaning AND intent. You have to ask them WHY they would do that.

RFK Junior said it best: Obama supporters are WRONG to be offended.

trying to plant a scenario, why did she mention the event, not just the month. She could easily have said the 68 primary went into the month of June. Bobby's assassination has NOTHING to do with it how long the primary season was. She's just reminding us, she needs to stay in because "anything can happen."

Geeezh. I remember the assassinations of JFK, MLK Jr, and RFK. I even remember the day the attempt on Reagan was made. Then I remember the way African Americans were once treated. I remember the sundown laws, the refusal to service anyone chosen, the different drinking fountains, and the back of the bus thing. I remember them and I am white, imagine if I was an African American. I remember hearing the stories of the lynching of Black men if they looked the wrong way at a white women, other minor offences such as not doing what a white man told him to, or if someone just got the notion to do it. I remember the violence that happened during the Civil Rights movement. I remember bodies drug out of the water of three young CR workers who were shot and killed for working to get people registered to vote. Yeah, I remember my history real good, and that is why when a candidate like Hillary accidently brings up assassination multiple times, it makes me wonder why some people still defend you as strongly as you here do. JMHO

i remember each thing as if it were today
i can tell you i was eating a cheese and mayo sandwich when the news broke in with the JFK story
and every other thing you list i remember
shes over the top here and she knows it
what i find most interesting is that its the THIRD time she has done it
even her most delusional and scheming of advisors MUST have felt at least some shame when it was first done
i have to admit that she continues to surprise me
i think she has reached the lowest a person can go
and even worse
she has caused her loyalists to betray their principles in her name

and then
there she is
doing something even LOWER
which causes her followers
most of who(m) were loyal democrats
to defend an even lower standard

They kept it a secret from us, would not let anyone into the factory who might tell us what had happened. I walked out the door and between 3.30 or 4 p.m. and was struck with the darkness that awaited us. It was more like night than afternoon, and there was a drizzling rain coming down. My sister, who worked at the factory also, was waiting for me. One of the office women had made her way back and told several of the women what had happened if they promised not to leave. She quietly told me what she had heard. We made our way home in silence. When we got home, our mother was almost hysterical. I will never forget that day or the ones that followed. The depression everyone was feeling. The darkness of the day symbolizes the feelings we all had.

Nothing has surprised me about Hillary since the first time I heard her speak what I call "white speak". Edwards recognized it also, but he just said something about there are some things that people say in the south that other people in the south understand. After that I just didn't care to hear anything she said.

i agree he knows how "we" are down here
edwards is one of the things that make me proud of the south

i like that term "white speak"may i use it also?

I am from the mid-west, but it is the southern mid-west. Most of the people here when I grew up had either migrated north or were immigrants from Europe. While I was shielded somewhat from the "speak" when I was a child, my mother taught us what not to say. As I grew up, I learned to recognize it when I heard it. It didn't take much learning since people are always eager to share with those of their own kind. ;)

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I was beginning to think I was the only sane one left on this site.

She only brought it up as an example of other campaigns that were still vital this late in the game. She also sited her husband's campaign as an example. I don't know how this is so offensive. :shrug:

Is the subject of assassination in general taboo? Or just the Kennedy assassination? Is it taboo for Presidential candidates, or for us all? If I start a conversation about the RFK assassination, will people assume I'm out to assassinate someone?

This is ridiculous!

she has no morals and ethics. She is george bush in a pants suit.

Especially, the party one.

Jesus fucking christ.

It's over for her. She won't make it to June 3. She's done.

To take her "turn" after he's murdered?? Fuck her. I mean it, fuck her.

Jesus, just when you think this freak can't sink any lower... :banghead:

The MSM is mainly just running a headline that she has apoligized. I think this like everything else she has done will be smoothed over. "Oh, look at HER, SHE was so tired." Oh, you can see the look on HER face, she regretted what SHE said." I am a woman, and I hate to be patronized and that is exactly what they are doing when they don't hold Hillary up to the same standard as they would a man. That is what women's lib is all about, some rights and the responsibility. Not I AM WOMAN HEAR ME ROAR one minute, and POOR LITTLE ME the next. Again I am sorry to be in this fray, but I am sick and tired of this BS.

Pathetic

"I'm staying in the race....why...ANYTHING could happen, right?"


FUCK. THE. WHAT??????????????????????????????????????????

SHE'S ACTUALLY GOING THERE????????????????????????????????

Can I throw myself off a cliff now?

Hillary however....

no cliffs for anyone

:eyes:

mentioned? it happened? Is it also on the list of things we can't talk about? And why does anyone think that this has anything to do with O ? If that is the idea in someone's head, they are placing it there themselves through their own fear, or bigotry and it has nothing to do with whether Clinton mentioned an event occurring as a "month reference". Big frigging deal. Not everything is about Obama.

or if his Pastor's dry cleaner's college roommate made a radical statement 20 years ago, quick, FIRE UP THE FUCKING PHONY OUTRAGE MACHINE.

Give me a fucking break. Hillary's comments were beyond noxious, and I suspect on some level you realize that.

he is her opponent in this freakin primary. How many times does this have to be said before it sinks in. Hillary's statement did not make me as mad as you supporter's ignorance or blindness to the relevence of her statement.

puhleaze...

teevee calling Obama a sexist black man, who is calling for the assassination of the Sainted Hillary.

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thats a cute baby

A poor choice of words yes, but to attribute evil to this statement is utterly insane.

Case in point, McAuliffe on Russert's show.

But what cannot be attributed to a Clinton? - this is absolutely absurd.

but what about all those people that Obama has just been in the same area as, and Hillary thought that was important. Gee, but what her campaign person (whatever he is, I don't really care at this point) says has nothing to do with them? Gee, good to know.

the mouth idiots don't bother to hide it do they? So, what is their strategy?

I never, ever in a million years expected Hillary's campaign to sink to even a small fraction of the depth they are plumbing.

she started with voting yes on the IWR and being a little bush enabler all those years along with her husband. I read the statements they made and my blood would boil. It just wasn't as hang out obvious as it is now 'cause she wasn't fighting for control of the Democratic Party through the Clinches of the DLC(DinosLosers'Cluelessness).

She did not "mis-speak". She related the assassination of Bobby Kennedy to her needing to continue this race. There are hundreds of reasons she could attempt to point to. The assassination of a Presidential candidate shouldn't be one of them.

"raising the assassination issue"?

This is just another Obama fan invented scandal.

between now and June....

Is that what she meant, Monkey?

Is it?

WHAT THE MOTHERFUCK DID SHE MEAN MONKEY?

has gotten very skilled at doing this.......they're almost as good at is as.....well, you know who.

And as you know, she's so EEEEEEEEVIL that if she SAYS something, with her SUPER powers, and her X-Ray eyes.... somehow....it HAPPENS!!!!!

Let me whip this out, just to be safe. :sarcasm:

I figure you get it, but some clown driving by might not.

"Invented Scandal." I believe you've coined a very apt phrase.

Not any way you slice it.

Excellent reply.

She pointed out that a candidate who is FAMOUS in history was STILL CAMPAIGNING IN JUNE. If anything, the reference to RFK was on HER--not Obama.

But way to flip the meaning. Talk about slicing it--have another slice of fake outrage.

Remember! Hillary's the victim!

:eyes:

the convention?

Because we all know that's where this is going; this isn't about "finishing out the primaries".

...this is about raising a stink over MI and FL, challenging whatever solution the DNC comes up with that doesn't completely abdicate the rules (that she previously agreed to) and give her the nomination...

if the Superdelegates step in to end it all of a sudden they will become "unelected elitists" overturning the "popular vote"...

And so on, and so on.

You think this will be over in June? Not if Hillary's not on the ticket, it won't.

She's like an alcoholic who isn't going to leave the bar on her own volition. I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect I'm not.

"June" aint the half of it.

She said he was assassinated in June. Get over your bad self, I have lost my don't say anything bad promise and am going to say just what I think now. Whether it was just a mistake or whatever, she should have had the decency to come out and really apoligize to Obama and everyone else. But she didn't apoligize, she only said she was sorry if what she said offended anyone. That is an old trick to make someone think you apoligized when you really didn't. I learned that in college classes, where I am sure she did too. She, like bush, can never admit she does anything wrong. that is one of the things I do not like about her.

Celebrating a campaign victory.

Only someone who is dense as to the events of that time would say what you just said. She didn't HAVE to say it, the meaning is plainly there. He was STILL CAMPAIGNING in June.

Here, don't believe me. Believe RFK Junior. He says you are WRONG. She didn't make a mistake. YOU DID. You MISCONSTRUED. See, YOU and your fellow Obama supporters, along with the Hillary haters, are completely, totally WRONG: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/rfk-jr-says-no.html

What, are ya gonna throw HIM under the bus, too?

I know my history and I am not dense, I also know what she said. She may have made a mistake when she said it, but she still said it. I don't need to have someone tell me that I am wrong because I know what she said. When you cannot admit you made a mistake, the way she cannot, then you are doomed to repeat those mistakes and depend on others to get you out of trouble, or continue to bully your way through.

Evidentually you cannot judge for yourself what she said in plain english. It can be taken as she said it or as she said she meant it. It is up to the listener to decide which they wish to accept. If she had came out and said that she was sorry she had mis-spoken and had apoligized to Obama since he is the one whose assassination would be the reason for her to stay in, I would have been more forgiving, but she did not do that. She showed the same, I am sorry you misunderstood me, and kept on keeping on. This is just one more brick on her wall of dispicable acts as far as I'm concerned, but that is just me and plenty of others.

When will I throw Obama under the bus. When/if he begins to act like the Clintons and the bushites. That is when.

from an "other than sexist" worldview.

She did NOT make any mistake. She compared HERSELF, her situation, her campaign, to RFK, his situation, his campaign.

And it was appropriate because they were both battling a PRESUMPTIVE nominee, AND they were both Senators from New York.


And she was right. She is in the same position he was in, POLITICALLY, as he prepared to go "on to Chicago..."

I can judge what she said as well as RFK Junior can.

And he says what I said. You are WRONG.

See, your SEXISM blinded you, so that you could only compare the man, OBAMA, to the MAN, RFK.

Your head never was able to wrap around the idea that the woman was comparing HERSELF to the man.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/rfk-jr-says-no.html

I'm a sixty-two year old woman who has lived a life that defies me taking your comment serious. How funny.

Okay, here if this makes you feel better. I am sorry that my comment has upset you. I am sorry that you had to go have someone else tell you that you were right to think what you think. I am sorry that you have to hide behind pretend gender bias and not face the truth about your candidate. I am sorry that we cannot come to any agreement on this subject. In fact, just let me say that I am just sorry for you. (Apology, Hillary style

Bye bye now. This subject bores me now.

harder on women than men are. And unfairly so, too.

I've seen it in my line of work. I never understood it, but I do recognize that it exists. Unnecessary competition, in many cases.

You can take all that "I'm sorry" stuff and keep it. I don't want it. You don't need to apologize to me. Or feel sorry for me (that patronizing stunt doesn't work, either--you still come off poorly).

The people on this board who accused Clinton of wanting Obama dead because she compared HERSELF to RFK are the ones who should be apologizing--to CLINTON. And they should be reading what RFK Junior said--and comprehending it.

Bye bye, now, indeed. The subject always becomes boring when the faux poutrage dissipates in the face of factual information.

First of all, I never apoligized to you. that is the gest of it. Hillary never apoligized for mis-speaking either.

Second, I never said that Clinton wanted Obama dead. I said she was wrong to say what she said and also that setting herself up as the white man's candidate made it look bad. And I am as hard on men as I am women. Trust me. I could tell you right now what I think of bill clinton and some other men, but I don't think you want to hear that. I do hold women as responsible as I do men and I resent the little girl act when they get in trouble. The tears don't buy it with me. If you are going to play the game, then be strong enough to stand up and take responsibility for what you say and do.

Second, Clinton couldn't give a care what people here say about her. She only cares about how this will affect her career. This is how it should be maybe, but she should care that the way she said what she said sounded the way it did. And she should, especially because of this country's history where African American men are concerned, apoligize to Obama and his family and reassure them and this country that she did not mean it that way. That should have been the first thing she did.

Third, there was no factual information that you gave me that I did not already know. I am not running away. I am just tired and afraid I may pull a Hillary and say something that I should apoligize for. Evidentually you do not understand that I was patronizing you on purpose to show you how it feels to have someone apoligize in this manner. It is not an apology, it is telling someone that you are sorry that they, the person offended, got offended. Anyone that has taken a class in counseling or other PR is taught this method. It is a way of saying "sorry" without ever being sorry or ever admiting that you may have been wrong.

Lastly, I think everything I said about this was about what she said. Not what she meant. No one can say for sure what she meant, only she knows that. You can take what she said literally, and say she was sending out a message to those who don't want a Black president that this is how to stop it. Or you can take it that she just mis-spoke and said what she meant to say the wrong way. Either way you take it, a quick heart-felt apology would have helped end it. Unfortunately, Hillary blew that and now she will have to try to make up for it. If she can. I don't know, only time will tell.

Now I am really tired of trying to explain this. My book is done.

edited for content.

I will stand with RFK Junior.

And I will continue to assert that the reason people thought Clinton was talking about Obama, even though it was CLEAR she was comparing HERSELF to RFK, is because of sexism. People assumed that when she said RFK, she MEANT Obama--not herself. Even though the context was CLEAR that she was talking about herself.

And that's a shame.

Went to bed and realized I had mis-spoken in one manner, so had to come back and clarify it, apoligize if you will. If you took what she said literaly, you would think she was waiting around in case Obama got assassinated and then she could take over, and thus possibly (if you wanted to think this way) someone might get the idea that she wanted them to do it.

If she was speaking of herself, then she really mis-spoke. Why would she be staying in the race (that was the question) if she was putting herself in RFK's place and he got assassinated in June. That is not confusing because of sexism, that is confusing because it is dumb and makes no sense at all. That is a shame because the context is even more confused now than before. Is she wanting to be assassinated? Perhaps they should put her on suicide watch. You think you should be calling your friend RFK Jr. to see if he could look into this for you. Sorry that I am again patronizing you. I find it just too easy at this point, because you are arguing something without really thinking it through. You are letting others think for you, and that is sometimes a dangerous thing to do.

Think about what you have just written and take a break. I am afraid you are not thinking about what she said, only what you want it to have meant, because if you take what she said - the way she said it and put in RFK Jr.'s explanation and yours, you will see that it actually makes no sense. Why is it so hard for you to just say that she made a mistake in how she stated this.

She has made the same statement three times before, it is even in print, and no one ever called her on it. In those statements, I believe she did at one point compare Obama to RFK, but I was willing to give it to you that she just mis-spoke today. I'm pretty sure she compared him to JFK and herself to Johnson, when she pointed out that JFK was assassinated and it was Johnson who did all the work. She also compared him to MLK JR and herself to Johnson when she said MLK talked about change but it took a..a...a.. president to get the work done. See, I recognize when she compares herself to a man, it is not that hard to do. But gee, there seems to be a theme going here with Hillary. Now don't you just wish she had apoligized for mis-speaking and then no one would have spent the day reading all those pesky quotes that linger out there. I'm going to be nice here and not add any more of what I know or think on the manner. I came back to apologize and did in a way, but I have to point out the fallacy of your arguement. It just don't fit.

Not because I disagree with it, but because I felt bad about my making jokes at your expense. I wouldn't usually have done that, but this kind of mentality is beginning to wear on my nerves. Look, let me try to teach you a little something here objectively. Why don't you just get the words she said and read them. Don't think about what you think she means, just read the blank-itty-blank words. Look at it like you don't know this woman from a hole in the wall. No emotions, no nothing. Just look at her words. Then think about them as if you were someone who doesn't like her, or trust her, and you hear these words. No meaning given other than these words.

Now remember when Obama made the "bitter" statement and how Hillary took that statement and blew it out of pre portion and used it in everyone of her speeches. Remember that just two days ago that I read some Hillary supporter (don't remember who, don't care) referencing it still here on board. Think about if Obama took Hillary's words and used them against her. I doubt that he does it, but I wouldn't blame him if he does. Think how this will sit with you. Put yourself in the other person's shoes for a change. I know that for you, it is all about Hillary. And I know for me it is all about Barack but in reality land I also know it is not. You need to come to that reality also.

Now the reality of the situation is that if Hillary uses mis-speaks/mistakes against her opponent then the opponent has every right to use her mis-speaks/mistakes against her. Do you honestly think that the republicans would not destroy her in the GE if she falls apart over this? Do you think that they would accept this lame apology she gave today? And remember the MSM will be harder on the candidates in the GE than they are now, and they seem to love McCain. Do you not think the republicans will not use every gender issue against her that they can. You think DUers are hard on her, just wait until the GE. She can't go crying to the men folk and have them come out to defend her and be taken seriously in the political game.(you can say what you will, but this is a part of women being equal) I personally don't like politics even in the work place, refused to be a part of the back biting and other dirty tricks that took place. But if I had, then I would have had to accept when someone did the same to me. That is how I look at this. Clinton knew she had thrown Obama under the bus several times during this primary. Today she should have came forward and really apologized for the words she used. She didn't have to admit to meaning them, only the use of them. Said that she had mis-spoke and then explained what she should have said. It all would have been so easy if only she could admit she was capable of making a mistake. It would all be so easy here if her supporters could admit that she made a mistake in the words she used. No more is asked of you and no less is accepted from you. To defend her words is fruitless. I will not argue her meaning because it is only speculation on everyone's part.

My second book of the night, sorry about that, just trying to make this thing clear for you and everyone else. You really don't have much to worry about, I fear. The MSM has already gone back to spinning the story that Obama has a problem because whites are too prejudice to vote for him. Gee, shouldn't the story be that this country has a problem because some whites are too prejudice to vote for him. But then you would disagree with that.

I have read what she said. Many times. And you're wrong, so I regret that you cannot "teach" me anything on that score. I think RFK JR got it right. You are WRONG to be offended.

FWIW, you also "read" me wrong on another score. Your last sentence is false, too.

I don't live in a binary world. Racism AND sexism can exist in the very same spheres. And unfortunately, they do.

I just don't subscribe to "two wrongs make a right" gamesmanship. I was addressing the "big lie" that was being shopped around this board, that Obama equals RFK and that means HRC wants to WAX his ass permanently. That this is what she "meant" with her remarks.

Well, she didn't mean that. Didn't stop people from lying about it, frantically. It was touted, by, frankly, morons who cannot read for comprehension and who have an agenda. And on TV, anyway, most of them were men. Of course, women can be sexists, too, and many are. The odd one of those piled on as well. And they were WRONG. And RFK Jr. told them so.

Sexism enters into this agenda simply because everyone thought when HRC was talking about RFK, that it was "code" for OBAMA. It wasn't--it was a flat-out comaparison to HERSELF. Her campaign, her fight against a 'presumptive nomiinee,' her taking it to the convention, her being a Senator from NEW YORK--just like RFK.

A wise person recently reminded me, though, that "Real men aren't afraid of feminists."

RFK did not equal Obama. A reason to stay in the race was that anything could happen. Look RFK was asssassinated in June. That was what was said. Whether that is what she meant, I don't know, I am sorry that you cannot understand that. It seems I am the more flexable one, but the discourse on this board is disrubtive and both sides play a part in it. I got caught in it, and my health will not allow that. My last sentence was not a lie, I just figured that since you were so much for Hillary, that you would not care about what was being said about Obama. I did not imply that you were a racist. That is your thing, constantly blaming someone not liking you candidate on sexism. I don't like her because she is a liar, but that is just me.

Well, this is it for me. I am not mad, but for my own sake I leave the board again to you and yours.

GO OBAMA 08

Everyone is fixated on the assassination word, when all that did was INTERRUPT what RFK was doing--heading to a convention and a floor fight.

RFK Junior gets it. So do I.

The people who don't get it are the ones who think she can't talk about a man who is contesting a nomination and compare that man to HERSELF. She can't talk about a male New York Senator whose seat she sits in, representing New York, and compare him to her. She can't note that their campaigns share similar trajectories.

They have to ass-ume, that, since that man she is talking about got shot, that she wishes ill on another MAN.

It's really stupid thinking. And it is tiresome.

Have a nice day.

I'm Goddamn sick of women telling other women that they're sexist and being hard on themselves just because they're not stuck in YESTERDAY'S man-hating second wave feminism.

Who the fuck made you the decider of what's in OUR interests and what's not? I do feel sorry for you and the bullshit dictatorship where people like you decide for everyone else.

Was she comparing herself to RFK, or was she simply referencing the month of June?

The fact is she's 3 times now specifically mentioned the assassination. Not the campaign, but the brutal murder of a political candidate.

Her statement clearly shows she's presenting arguments for why she is staying in the race, and citing the assassination of RFK as one of them.

Had she mentioned his campaign, she might have a leg to stand on. But she specifically, repeatedly made reference to the possibility of assassination as a reason for her staying in the race.

There is no excuse.

..my favorite, pro-choice Hillary supporters screaming from the rafters that "HE CALLED UNPLANNED PREGNANCIES PUNISHMENT!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!1111!!!!!"

Those were all really fucking legitimate in terms of outrage levels.

has gotten very skilled at doing this.......they're almost as good at is as.....well, you know who.

Hillary can do no wrong, and neither can Obama. That's what it has come down to..

She should not be discussing assassination as a reason to be continuing this race. There are just so many more and better ways of getting the same point across. She's not stupid, and that's why she is wrong.

I think this is what a lot of people find eerily disgusting and untrustworthy about the Clintons. They should be praying that nothing happens to Obama, because she may be the victim of the fallout.

She has lost all sense of decorum, proportion, dignity and honor. IMO, she did a long time ago, but this kind of insinuation is abhorrent. She needs to be drummed out of this race NOW. And the remaining superdelegates should hightail it to Obama.

Her campaign is over. She's done.

I can't even see right now.

I remember that day.

For anyone to bring it up in this horrible way. There are no fucking words for that.

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They damn well know how despicable that was.

Hence their frenzied "it's only a historic observation" BS.

Imagine Obama said this regarding Hillary. They'd be calling for him to be drawn & quartered.

and anyone defending this sick shit.

I'm ok with Clinton supporters standing by Hillary for whatever reason but to defend this sick shit and pretend it was just another misunderstood comment is beyond the pale.

I guess that's what Iraq and all those dead people are, misunderstood comments.

That includes coddling of her supporters, both in the MSM and other places, like DU. Skinner needs to step up to the plate and end GDP after this latest crap from Hillary. She is NO LONGER a serious candidate!! :mad:

Get on the phone NOW.

Please try not to take what she takes seriously. I've come to the conclusion that this couple is like a show on Star Trek (?) they feed off of negative energy. They stir up as much as they can, and then they absorb it. The more pissed off we get, the more strength they accumulate.

Ignore them.

and so are any future political ambitions. Believe me, there are powerful people who have probably heard enough now from the Clintons.

God damned sorry assed bunch of thug losers. Anyone who could support this family after this last straw is not the kind of person that I will associate with in real life. Fact. I hope they are alienated and shunned beyond anything they could have ever imagined. Horrific example of people who win by intimidation, and seek to rule by fear.

Not in my country.

ETA: This cutesy crap about saying offensive shit and then hiding behind "well, it is a fact, I'm just relating the facts, mam" is diabolical. Like people are too stupid to "get it" - she is about to find out how very wrong she is. This kind of behavior is done by insecure grasping nobodies, which is about to become in a very public way.

assassination.

I just dislike her and everything she has shown herself to stand for during this campaign. You see, I have had to deal with people like her for many years. they say one thing while meaning something else and that is sometimes called "white speak" when it is about people that are different. You know them people. Then when they get caught saying something that they shouldn't say, they don't apoligize, they just make an excuse and act offended that anyone would call them on it. they are women that act all tough, but when they get called on what they do, they make dough eyes and act all girlish. I dislike her very much, but I don't hate her.

brainwashed into denying this is ok to say.... why? was it a speech about june assasination month?

HELLO MCFLY?!!!

There's just so many more historical references she could be using to justify her race, that pointing to assassination is mind numbingly evil.

She is beneath contempt.

:mad: :grr: :nuke:

in context.

Its really sad.
Makes me sad to think about the possibility .
Makes me sad to hear her say those words.

over the years to use for her analogy. But she chose Bobby Kennedy. Calculated? You bet it was. Not only that but it's a stupid excuse to stay in the race for many reasons. I despise her now.

I've gone past loathing her now.

Hating is too strong. I can't HATE anyone that fucking clueless and cruel in her cluelessness but it's gone past loathing.
I want a world where I never hear her name again. She has NO idea what kind of pain she's caused people.

Disgusted, that's it. A loathing disgust.

for whomever runs against her and send money to them too! I am at this moment embarrassed to be a New Yorker! Thanks a lot, Hillary!

There are many of us in NY who feel the same.

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in the meantime, just be humble and be POSITIVE. The race is over for her. She has lost this nomination. No VP. But healing must take place, she deserves a chance to deeply apologize, and then we need her and Bill to campaign for Obama.

Nor her husband either. Their campaign has a bad habit of opening their mouth and spewing bullshit in one form or another, and to have a presidential campaign having to suffer from the resulting blowback, the gain is simply not worth the price that would be paid.

Just have her exit, quietly and quickly.

They have to get off the stage. All they do is damage.

that the way bill campaigned for Core really hurt his campaign. I'd also prefer her to just say she is sorry, blame it on her fatique and then them just go back where ever. I need some Clinton free time to get over what has been going on in this campaign and to get ready for the GE. Because it will be dirty also.

Me me me me.

:thumbsup:

Out! :thumbsup:

SHE WILL TREMBLE BEFORE YOUR INDIGNANT CAPS LOCK KEY!!!!!11!1

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Not the hip new boutique Obamatronic Democrats, that's for sure!

That is enough of her damned "spade work."

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buy one of Jeremiah Wright's DVD series.

Steph...you were so much more entertaining before you switched your stripes and started bashing Democrats.

Time to change the record, old girl.

About a lucky man who made the grade
And though the news was rather sad .... Lennon/McCarney

I was busy w/ work and then drove to pick up my son for what I want to be one
of the best weekends of his life .... when I got in @ 12:20AM and read the "Hillary
Story" I went numb with shock & anger.

<"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere
in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.
I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.>

There is no excuse .... no apology ..... no f***ing thing that can happen from Hillary or
her people outside of getting out of the race and getting out of the Senate and never
ever showing her face in public again. She is a lawyer and should know better than to
ever say anything so awful .... or in other words; "I'll hang around in case Obama is shot and the party needs
a person to jump in." That is exactly what she was saying.

which has caused you to see wrong-doing where there is none.

She will be out of the race on June 3--that's when it ends. And she should not leave beforehand.

You can't force her to de-register as a Democrat. But lots of other Democrats who have been asked to leave will surely take you up on that offer.

New York is my state too and I think she is a great Senator. Either way, the law doesn't allow you to confiscate people's property.

You're welcome to vote against her in 2012--expect to be disappointed with the outcome.

I love Hillary and I have never been more proud of her.

Steve

Now go back to where you came from.

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They are very similar in style and integrity. They are both true believers in their cause, self-centered to the point of stunning bad judgment. Win at all costs. POWER, POWER, POWER. They love power, or in Hillary's case, yearns for power. (I was not at all a so-called Hillary hater until she earned it.)

How truly tasteless.

I find her habit of saying destructive things frightening in light of the asshat we currently have in office. :puke:

She has got to go. Now.

and thinks if she says it enough people will buy it as real, and she does this with no one's interests in mind but her own. Not the party's, not the country's, just hers. To me, everything she says is suspect, and every word that comes out of her mouth is like a turd falling into my drink.

Completely and utterly unacceptable in our political discourse!

She needs to get out NOW!

:eyes:

With a different approach she could have actually won the damn nomination. Why did her campaign always choose the 'low road'? If she wouldn't have made the bad comments along the campaign trail she would now be seen in a far more positive light. This latest one isn't much worse than suggesting McCain would be a better choice for president than Obama. The Clinton instinct appears to be low down and underhanded. I don't like what I've seen. Sadly, at one time my wife and I held her in such high regard. And Hillary supporters, I am being completely sincere.