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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:36 PM
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And suddenly the room went quiet and the mood turned ugly.
There is no excuse for Senator Clinton's bizarre and sickening new motivation for staying in the race. No apology is really necessary either. I'm old enough to have the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers, of Martin and Malcom, of the whipsnapping violence of the 60's indelibly seared onto my frontal lobes. Senator Clinton can act to make this right: she can fold up her damn campaign right now.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:36 PM
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1. Exit, stage right.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM
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28. I agree, warren. i was depressed for about ten years after the first
kennedy and dared to hope with the second. now the third one is sick and the PERSON WHO HAS RFK'S SEAT says this. there are tools defending it. sad.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:43 PM
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2. She can't drop out today
It wouldn't "look right".

Have I said how much I truly despise this primary lately?
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:40 PM
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35. Sure she can! Isn't Friday the day to dump bad news on?
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:45 PM
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3. I also remember, Warren. That's why this latest is not to be borne
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:45 PM
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4. Hook : meet Hillary. Hillary, this is your exit strategy, End of story!
Wow! She really "stepped in it" when she introduced the assassination idea! I HAVE NO RESPECT LEFT FOR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH HER CAMPAIGN. THIS WAS A DESPICABLE TACTIC and I'm glad it has died! Please let it rest in peace! I truly don't want to discuss this endlessly!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:47 PM
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5. She is an attorney, and knows how to wield words like razor sharp daggers.
There is no excuse or apology. She was on-script.

What she said was dangerous and destructive, and we have only begun to see the fallout.

The best thing for her to do is drop out of the race now while she has a shred of dignity, which can only be demonstrated by dropping out.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:22 PM
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21. Swampy, if you or I had said those words, we'd be talking to some agents for a long time
Hell, school kids have had that experience for essays they wrote for school assignments.

She needs to have her ass hauled into an interrogation room for awhile.She needs to be explaining herself as ANY of the rest of us would likely be doing had we said such garbage. She might come out with a deeper appreciation of why some of us have not liked her rubber stamping of bush's usurpation of powers and the sad state that has left justice in.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:30 PM
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24. How could she say such a thing?
Does she have no conscience? Is she that blinded by ambition?

JFC!! :mad: Bobby's death,... dredged up to create fear.

Does Hillary even give a FUCKING DAMN about how African Americans feel? How the Obama family must feel? How every American who loved JFK, MLK, RFK feel?!?! :cry:

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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:55 PM
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25. You left out Teddy.
Two body blows in one week.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:25 PM
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29. JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcom X, all of them gone. I could just cry forever
and now this shit?!? She is over. No one on TV thinks she can muster her fucking 'moxie'. good.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:25 PM
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30. I'm pretty astounded too brother Swamp
It's like W deja vu, anytime you think she can't sink lower, blammo!
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:38 PM
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34. That's what I've been saying for a long time.
Lawyers don't make 'mistakes' like that. That's what they spend all that money on law school for!

Anyone who buys that she's 'tired' or she 'mis-spoke' should PM me about this bridge I got for sale.

- as
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:49 PM
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6. I can't post what I want to post. n/t
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:59 PM
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7. I actually got...
...mildly sick to my stomach over this.

:sigh:

NGU.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:02 PM
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8. And she laughed. " I just don't know."
:cry:

:hug:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:23 PM
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22. Makes one wonder about her visions of snipers in the recent past, doesn't it?
She needs help. NOW.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:17 PM
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19. I was naseated at first. Now I almost feel like crying....
What kind of a fucked-up mess is our country and our political party? To have a crazy, hateful bitch like Hillary as a presidential candidate for the Dems, and to have her insanity manifested as using an assassination as the reason for her to stay in a political race? And, worse yet, to still have American Democrats continuing to support her?

WHy haven't the SDs left en masse? Why haven't her supporters bailed?

I can't take another assassination. I just can't. I can't understand why the SDs and her supportrs don't feel the same way.

What is wrong with them?
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progdog Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:04 PM
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9. Neither can I.
n/t
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:15 PM
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17. Go ahead - pretend for a moment...
that you're Hillary Clinton - then you can say whatever you want. You're entitled!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:04 PM
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10. A significant part of my belief in this country died the day Bobby was
killed.

I went to VietNam as a direct result of it - he would have ended the war - Nixon let it go on for another five years.

Her comment today was a reflection of her flippant attitude towards killing with high powered rifles - he Tuzla comment, her vote on the IRW, and now this.


I now believe she is a sociopath, pure and simple.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:10 PM
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14. And don't forget her vote in favor of continuing the use of cluster bombs on civilian areas.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:13 PM
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15. How much blood on her hands, and making jokes on Jay Leno
about snipers.

This stuff is comedy for her.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:05 PM
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11. She was a repug back then wasn't she? eom
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:08 PM
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12. No, she wasn't.
Get your smear history right.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:09 PM
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13. She was when she was in college. Not a smear, its a fact. eom
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:15 PM
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16. It was in college, around the time of Kennedy's murder, that she changed
A smear is only a smear when it comes into contact with its intended subject. Your smear, as it happens, didn't.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:17 PM
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18. Wasn't a smear, she was a repug in the 60's. eom
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:56 PM
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26. That is a lie.
She was a repug in high school, not college. Get your b.s. right.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:12 PM
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36. You are full of shit. Here's a link.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 08:15 PM by smiley_glad_hands
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/

"She grew up as a Goldwater Republican, like her father, in the middle-class Chicago suburb of Park Ridge. By the time she was a freshman at Wellesley, when she was elected president of the College Republicans, her concern with civil rights and the war in Vietnam put her closer to the moderate-liberal wing of the GOP led by Nelson Rockefeller."


Smear, my ass. Now come back with something snarky.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:22 PM
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20. another oldie here- I hope she stops too-
It would be one thing if she campaigned on her abilities- but she doesn't seem able to do that.

I'll never forget the murders either- we don't need her reminders- we cannot live in fear.

peace~
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:29 PM
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23. it was a bizarre comment
i can't imagine what she was thinking.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:07 PM
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27. This on the heels of Huckabee's comment.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:28 PM
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31. If she doesn't go voluntarily, I recommend the stage hook
Preferably wielded by the Apollo Theater guy.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:30 PM
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32. Yeah, she can be gone and the dimwits will still be comparing Obama to JFK, RFK, and MLK and.....
..of course - Abraham Lincoln.

Y'all remember that? When Ted Kennedy and his family endorsed Obama? Caroline said Obama would be just like her father?

You don't remember that? Oh, OK. Never mind.

I apologize for posting that reminder.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:36 PM
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33. I don't understand why anyone would be upset....
by her strategy for staying in this race. I thought it was obvious that we were all waiting for the "catastrophic event" that would make Obama unelectable. I didn't realize she wanted him to be that unelectable.
Clinton campaign on ropes
BY JOHN GUERRIERO

Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NEWS02/805080437



Sun May 11, 2008

Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination.
But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinton/index.html?section=cnn_latest


CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination

May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and that’s a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. That’s not much to hang a hat on but it’s starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. “Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too,” Trippi said. I don’t think there’s any way now for her to gain the nomination. She’s at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.”

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. “I think there’s lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there,” he said. “But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like it’s damaging the nominee … I don’t think there will be any tolerance for that at all.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main4078586.shtml
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:30 AM
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37. Please make this it's own thread. I've been looking for that info. Thanks.
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