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Fri May-23-08 04:48 PM
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Obviously Overblown

I am an Obama supporter, but I think the Hillary comment is being overblown like the Dean Scream. She stated a matter of fact. It is others who want to turn it into a Dean Scream. She brought up a historical point that supports her case for staying in.

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Fri May-23-08 04:50 PM
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1. There's nothing overblown about assasination. She is pathetic. eom

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Fri May-23-08 04:53 PM
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14. C'mon now, WHAT about assassination?

Edited on Fri May-23-08 04:53 PM by Writer

WHAT about it?

That it so happens that Bobby Kennedy had effectively earned the Dem nomination the same night he was assassinated? That it just so happens that it occurred in JUNE, the month into which she wishes to carry her campaign?

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Fri May-23-08 04:55 PM
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22. Has Ron Paul Raised RFK Multiple Times In Reference to McCain?

That is what is odd. If this was truly an isolated comment, then I would be inclined to blow it off as a stupid comment. However, repeatedly invoking RFK? That goes beyond stupid.

Put another way, wouldn't you expect Ron Paul to make repeated references to RFK in reference to McCain since Ron Paul's bid is a much bigger longshot than Hillary's?

Also, Hillary needs far better staff, because I would have told her the first time she invoked RFK's assination that this is a poor example to use.

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Fri May-23-08 04:58 PM
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30. Its different because of Obama's situation

Edited on Fri May-23-08 05:05 PM by galaxy21

He is in much more danger than John Mccain will ever be.

No one is overtly concerned Mccain will get shot ( he didn't even have secret service till a few weeks ago)

However, most people will admit they've (privately) worried about Obama and prayed for his safety. Which is why its such a horrible thing to say.

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Fri May-23-08 06:25 PM
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66. damn straight!

this is a flame thread in its own way...

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Warren Stupidity

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Fri May-23-08 04:50 PM
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2. New talking point: in race in case Obama gets offed.

Er, hello? She needs to take a long rest.

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Fri May-23-08 04:52 PM
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9. Is that what Hillary said?

Or did she demonstrate through historical reference how things can change unexpectedly until the contest is over?

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Warren Stupidity

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Fri May-23-08 04:58 PM
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31. Things can change unexpectedly.

TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual.

So she is staying in not because she can win the delegate race, nor because in some new late restructuring of the rules, the popular vote totals from some states should determine who the nominee is; no she is staying in because something unexpected could happen, like an assassination.

Senator Clinton needs to call it quits right fucking now.

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Fri May-23-08 05:08 PM
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47. H is for Home Run

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Fri May-23-08 04:50 PM
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3. Sorry, context mattters.

She stated it as a reason she should stay in the race: So she could be there to take the nomination.

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Fri May-23-08 05:07 PM
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45. No she did not.

She was explaining why it was hard to understand that people want her to quit. "Historically" she said this was not the case, others have stayed in, Bill, RFK.

In reference to RFK she said, "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June." The context was explaining that candidates have stayed in until June, that this is not all that unusual.

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Fri May-23-08 06:22 PM
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65. Nope

she was pointing out that RFK was still in the race in June.

I suppose you would've liked her to say "until he was sent upstate to a farm where he could run and play and plenty of food and clean water", but instead, she said what really happened.

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Fri May-23-08 04:51 PM
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4. It would be one thing is she just thought it

but she actually came out and said it. Which is vile, considering this man has young children who don't need to hear something like that.

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Fri May-23-08 04:51 PM
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5. I don't think so.

MyDD has jumped ship.

This must now end.

Over the past weeks, many have called for Clinton to end her campaign based on metrics. But with the infrastructure-building the primary keeps delivering, I've been reasonably comfortable waiting until June for closure.

But this is unacceptable.

The United States has a history of profound political violence - and the use of violence to oppress and coerce. And while I'm not quite willing to accept that Clinton spoke maliciously - it doesn't matter. There is no excuse for flippantly referencing assassination, especially given the historic nature of Obama's campaign and our nation's grim history of racial oppression through violence. When Hillary Clinton speaks of our history, she is not reflecting academically or only in a vacuum - her words and influence are real. To act otherwise is negligent, at best.

No context can save her. She must go.

http://www.mydd.com/

That's it. They were the Clinton-supporters' blog.

It's done.

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Fri May-23-08 04:52 PM
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6. CIao.

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Fri May-23-08 04:52 PM
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7. She said she's staying in because assassination could happen

There's is no way to put lipstick on THIS pig.

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Fri May-23-08 05:10 PM
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50. Sorry, but that is either total ignorance on your part or intentional disinformation.

She said, "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California." The context was one of explaining that others have stayed in at least through June, cases in point Bill and RFK.

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Fri May-23-08 04:52 PM
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8. Get Ready, Get Set.... Parse!

Get Ready, Get Set.... Parse!

BS: Assassination is purely a historical reference

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Fri May-23-08 04:52 PM
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10. Opinions seem to vary depending on age...if you were around in 1968...

...the comment was apparently much more offensive than if you weren't. I was, and it is.

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Fri May-23-08 04:54 PM
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18. What is offensive about the comment?

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Fri May-23-08 04:55 PM
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19. Are you young, stupid or both?

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Prefer

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Fri May-23-08 04:56 PM
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27. Either support your point or concede

I'll take your response as the latter

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Fri May-23-08 05:01 PM
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36. This is not a duel, my friend...I find the comment offensive. The "point" is, in this particular

case, that my life experiences have a direct bearing on my sensitivity to a comment regarding the assassination of a Presidential Candidate. That's just the way it is. How would you suggest I "support my point"? Links don't do it this time Prefer. I don't expect you to understand, but would suggest I am not alone.

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Fri May-23-08 05:03 PM
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42. No one asked for a link

I asked you to present the reasoning behind you argument and you have failed to do so.

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Fri May-23-08 05:13 PM
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55. As I said earlier, you are either too young or too stupid to understand...I apologize for calling

you stupid. You are being intentionally obtuse. Your premise was that the comment was overblown. I suspect the number of threads on DU, the lead story on every newscast and Senator Clinton's need to "apologize" within and hour would suggest it is not inconsequential, Overblown? Your opinion. Offensive comment? My opinion. My reasoning has been presented...yours has not.

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Fri May-23-08 05:17 PM
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59. What was your reasoning?

I missed that. I asked you to clarify what exactly was offensive about the comment which demonstrated that things in a race can change unexpectedly.

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Fri May-23-08 05:12 PM
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53. And Hillary was around then also.

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Fri May-23-08 05:46 PM
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61. I don't know; I'm 28 and I am at maxxed-out offended level.

She is despicable. Using Teddy as a shield makes it unimaginably WORSE. What a soulless person (and I say that as an atheist! ha!). She's ... a fascist zombie.

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Fri May-23-08 04:52 PM
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11. I'm sorry to have to add an Obama supporter to my ignore list.

But if these remarks aren't a suitable litmus test on this board for who has a shred of humanity and decency in their bodies and who doesn't, I don't know what is. Ciao.

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Fri May-23-08 04:52 PM
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12. No, it was clearly a freudian slip. Obama's assassination is on her mind nt

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Fri May-23-08 04:53 PM
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13. Dean scream = Somebody could die?

Not hardly. Did you MISS the Obama in the cross hairs photo?

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Fri May-23-08 04:53 PM
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15. Question:

Have you ever EVER heard of a presidential candidate bring up something like this before?

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galaxy21

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Fri May-23-08 04:55 PM
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23. Even Nixon would never be so vulgar

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Fri May-23-08 04:56 PM
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26. Maybe he would, but certainly not in PUBLIC!

Edited on Fri May-23-08 04:57 PM by DarienComp

edit: corrected spelling

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Fri May-23-08 04:53 PM
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16. The first two times, she brought this up, they were merely hints to killing Obama.

This time it is blatant: i'm still in this ecause Obama might get killed. (Hint hint to my supporters, go kill Obama)

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Fri May-23-08 04:54 PM
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17. No. You can dream on...but this is serious and she did it all by herself!

She asked for something unconscionable! Dream on! She's a big loser!

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Fri May-23-08 04:55 PM
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20. How dense would one have to be to continually use 1968

as an example, at a time like this?

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Fri May-23-08 04:55 PM
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21. She could suspend her campaign and pine away for assassination on the sidelines

She also knows that weirdos out there may be inspired by her words, words that are scrupulously chosen by Penn et al for maximum subconscious impact.

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Fri May-23-08 04:56 PM
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24. I don't

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LisaM

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Fri May-23-08 04:56 PM
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25. Thanks, Prefer.

When our county wanted to switch to all absentee voting, I called them (several times) to ask what would happen if someone voted early and then something happened to the candidate, referring to the Wellstone incident, which I cited (since votes already cast for him were not allowed to be counted for Mondale, and state rules did not allow for the race to start over - this cost the Dems the seat). This does not mean that I was calling for candidates I did not support to be killed in small plane crashes. I expect this example to be lost on many people here, but I think it's a fair one.

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Fri May-23-08 05:00 PM
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34. Exactly

Hillary could be assassinated as well. I am sure she has been drawn in cross hairs more than Obama in the last 20 years. To me the point that was made was that the race can change unexpectedly. What if she had said "We all remember what happened to Howard Dean's candidacy"?

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Fri May-23-08 05:10 PM
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51. Your sanity is unbelievably refreshing

I used to wish the the real world was more like DU, now I'm glad it's not. I forget what it's really like out there - to the point where, if I see a car with an Obama sticker, I expect it to be stuffed with people sticking their heads out the windows screaming "Hillary must get out now!"

Of course, the cars aren't filled with people like that and I'm sure that the mild-mannered looking people inside them would be quite surprised if they knew what I was thinking.

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Fri May-23-08 06:11 PM
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62. Your Sanity Is Gone

PLONK

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liberalcommontater

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Fri May-23-08 05:14 PM
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56. Actually her exact words were...

"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June." The context was explaining that candidates have stayed in until June, that this is not all that unusual.

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Fri May-23-08 04:57 PM
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28. NO, IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO USE THAT AS A REFERENCE

There's the 1980 or the 1984 primary race as a reason to stay in.

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Prefer

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Fri May-23-08 05:01 PM
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35. WHY????

We have anyone yet to tell us why this was bad.

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sniffa

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Fri May-23-08 05:02 PM
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37. Are you daft?

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Prefer

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Fri May-23-08 05:02 PM
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39. Humor me and please state the reason

Or are you just going to give up at the insult, like the last guy?

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Fri May-23-08 05:06 PM
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44. Neither

Adios :hi:

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slinkerwink

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Fri May-23-08 05:02 PM
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40. uh, because Obama's campaign has been likened to that of RFK and JFK

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Fri May-23-08 05:16 PM
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58. So is that supportive of her point, or not?

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Fri May-23-08 04:57 PM
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29. I agree. But if the competition is still on, and in an age of "cling to guns" and Rev Wright...

overblowing a careless mistatement is entirely fair game. In reality, she was referencing the calendar more than the event, but obviously the tragic murder of Bobby Kennedy is the sort of thing that helps you remember a particular date. Still, part of running for president involves handing the heat of moments like this, whether the heat is deserved or not.

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Auntie Bush

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Fri May-23-08 04:59 PM
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32. Thank you Prefer! Nice to see some rational thinking here.

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Fri May-23-08 05:00 PM
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33. Then you're the first Obama supporter on my IgSnore list

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Prefer

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Fri May-23-08 05:02 PM
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38. OMG - I am so crushed!

TOo bad I committed thought crime in your judgement.

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liberalcommontater

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Fri May-23-08 05:03 PM
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41. Thank you for sanity.

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Barack_America

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Fri May-23-08 05:05 PM
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43. Third time she mentioned it Prefer. Third time. Always "1968", "assassination".

Never a mention of the long 1980 and 1984 primaries.

Always...RFK....assassination.

Why?

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Fri May-23-08 05:08 PM
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46. I totally agree.

:thumbsup:

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Fri May-23-08 05:08 PM
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48. I agree.

Huffing and puffing about it isn't going to accomplish anything.

Brush it off.

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WillYourVoteBCounted

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Fri May-23-08 05:11 PM
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52. SCREW HER SHE NEEDS TO PACK HER SHIT AND GO HOME

N/T

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Fri May-23-08 05:13 PM
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54. this will pass way sooner than bittergate.

now which is really the worse offense?

she should be called onthis shit for as long as obama is called for much lesser transgressions but hte media dwells on it for weeks.

she is the one getting all the passes -
not one controversial thing she has done or said has had long runs on the media pounding and pounding away at it like obama's bitter, wright, sweeties and all that nonsense non news.

poor little asshole hillary, always being picked on because she's a girl. what utter baloney.

sorry to say you are wrong on this, imho. this is not being overblown.
this was a horrible huge error in judgement on her part, (yet another one) or a disgusting dogwhistle move.

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Fri May-23-08 05:15 PM
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57. Umm are you mentally handicapped?

She was asked questions about why she's continuing the race. She then inferred through RFK's assassination that essentially someone might get shot between now and June.

Good reason to still be running, I'm glad I now know why Hillary feels "very strongly about this."

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BenDavid

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Fri May-23-08 05:44 PM
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60. Goodness! you would have thought HRC hired Johnny Saks.

Damn, you would have thought there were 20 to 30 dark skinned men in an obama rally and after the introductions, all 20 to 30 men got up and started yelling,"REPARATIONS, REPARATIONS, REPARATIONS, REPARATIONS" over and over.

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LowerManhattanite

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Fri May-23-08 06:26 PM
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67. I don't give a damn HOW LONG you've been here at D.U....

...you SIR, are a despicable, race-addled cancer on this board. “20-to-30 dark-skinned men”? Shouting “Reparations! Reparations! Reparations!”?

What does that have the hell to do with the point being made, save for the fact that it exposes you as having this issue negatively on your mind 24-7/365?

I'd ask you if you at last sir have a single decent bone in your body, but it would be a waste of time. Everything within you has obviously been consumed by thermonuclear-level hate.

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dansolo

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Fri May-23-08 06:16 PM
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63. But it doesn't support her case

She could suspend her campaign, and she would most likely be tapped for the nomination if something happened to Obama. Heck, if that were to happen, all of Obama's delegates could vote for Edwards and give him the nomination.

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Fri May-23-08 06:19 PM
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64. Sorry but that's BS...Staying in "just in case" Obama gets assassinated is about the most

unconscionable thing to ever leave her lips...There are no excuses for such an insensitive comment.

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