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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:16 PM Original message |
Obama's chance to make amends with Clinton's supporters...Seize the Moment!!! |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. No. He should let her hang on her own rope, and be guiltless of any "forcing her out" of the race |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. No, his outcome should be to win the General Election, and... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. yeah, and to do that he needs to be rid of her campaigning against him. So he lets this play out. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Yep. Precisely |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. Didn't many of us say that if she stayed in the race long enough... |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
121. What must her black SD's be thinking lately? Sounds like David |
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virtualobserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
3. they will just use it to declare that everyone critical of her was being overreactive |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Everyone except Obama that is... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. They won't consider it to have been a favor. They think she's entitled to his defense and the... |
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wanpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
40. This statement is not Obama's fault. Hillary, if it does end, ended it this way, not Barack. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Forget about fault. Focus on winning the GE. |
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wanpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. I respectfully disagree with you about this sfam. I trust Obama to do the right thing and I know |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. You don't get it. It's over. She is officially "D for DONE" as of this evening... |
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wanpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. I do get it, and I don't really appreciate your judgment of my opinions, as I have respectfully |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I don't care what Hillary thinks or whether she gets humiliated...I do care.. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM Original message |
Good point. |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
6. OP makes a good point |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
54. Wow...all these good points comments, but no recommendations... |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
115. You're a nice person and I appreciate where you're coming from. I'll give you a rec. |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. fuck her |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
8. Do you honestly think this is the end? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I didn't say "add her to the ticket", I said... |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Thats the thing -- I don't see her "exiting" |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
51. Maybe you haven't kept up with current events but this was a game changer... |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. Then why should he bow to her? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. I'm truly amazed by the "Why?" comments. The answer is clear...we are not in the real race... |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
9. Agreed. It would be the galant thing to do |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
12. Why should he? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:22 PM Original message |
Why? Um, to WIN in the GE...why else? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
29. I don't think he will get the votes of the die hard Clinton supporters no matter what he... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. 'They are out to destroy the Dem Party' - that's libelous, really it is. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. They want to steal the nomination from Obama and in so doing create such a rift in the party that... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. OMG who told you that? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. I am capable of coming to my own conclusions. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Okie dokie, I can only hope you're young. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
85. Yes, campaigns do go like this. But remember that Obama want to change that old style... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. Well, I voted for Edwards. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
116. Oh please. Hillary is making a "femnist movement" out of her campaign.. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. yeah that's me, deaf dumb and blind. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Believe it or not, Hillary supporters are not evil people...I even know some of them... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:34 PM Original message |
I didn't say they are evil. If as I believe some of them are out to destroy the party, |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
64. I believe they are just as caught up in "the moment" as you are. You both have... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Because it's over for her and he can lead the way as a healer. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. so if she says two or three other things that are even more egregious, |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Presidents should be "fucking magnanimous". Hillary's campaign is over. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. Has Hillary said her campaign is over? I think not. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Nothing is unpresidential about what Obama has said. I don't believe he himself has commented on it. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
13. The spinmeisters will just accuse him of taking advantage in some way. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
14. To hell with her and her POS supporters. n/t. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Welcome to the McCain administration... |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Bullshit. The country is going to vote the Democratic nominee in no matter who it is this year. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM Original message |
I suspect he will.....The tones from the campaign have been quite conciliatory. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
23. Truly, his campaign has been extremely measured as a whole. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
16. And then after the spanking... the oral sex. n/t |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Awesome!!! |
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union_maid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
17. I don't think it will work |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Give hope a chance...yes we can... |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
124. Sinister or "sexist". Everything Obama says, and every gesture he makes |
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WA98070 (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
20. Then "THEY" will use it as a sign of "weakness." |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. exactly...Let the fool go down! |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. And we'll all go down together...Welcome to the McCain administration... |
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Yotun (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
22. I agree actually. It would be a good strategic move for him- and Hillary would need to be a serious |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
25. I don't see that happening. He will say, though, that he believes she doesn't mean to insinuate he |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. I hope not...I hope he goes all Man-Bear-Pig for her... |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. I'm not sure that Hillary knows this, nor do some of her more ardent supporters. n/t |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
125. Attacking Olbermann? Please tell me you're kidding....nt |
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Yotun (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. ... as far as he knows! :D |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. Interesting. |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
28. meh. She would only use it to stand back up on solid ground and KICK him. We have GOT to |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
33. As best he can, Obama needs to try to ignore Clinton's remarks. |
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wanpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
34. Obama, time and time again, has been gracious to Hillary. He never mentioned her |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. He should double-down...be even MORE gracious... |
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wanpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
55. Hillary, especially in the last 2 months, has proven that Obama's graciousness is only returned with |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. This too shall pass... |
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wanpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. We do need unity sfam, and I think it is just as incumbent upon the Hillary supporters to reach out |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Wouldn't it be nice if Obama played the "leader" here? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. No need to let it sink in, her campaign ended today. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
37. The way HRC rescued Obama during Snubgate? Plagiarismgate? Bittergate? Pastorgate? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
42. But that would infuriate his indignation junkies. n/t |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
49. The only problem with that is: we all know what she'll turn around and do if he does. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. kick him in the balls? to be blunt. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Basically. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
66. Take it as her due and attack him again the first chance she gets? n/t |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Yup. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. All these comments do is prove that we have lost focus just as much as the Hill44 folks have... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. You're just not going to get anywhere comparing Obama supporters... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I haven't seen Clinton supporters propose Obama gets shot.. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
50. Why?? she's been beating him down every chance she gets. With Wright, Ayers, etc..... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. Take one guess....Truly, this just ain't that hard folks!!! |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
56. You know he will give her the benefit of the doubt and respond in a classy, gracious way. |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
87. You're so very right. He will be gracious and she will be ungrateful. Things just dont change. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
60. "his" people have been exceeding gracious today |
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ninja8590 (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
61. why? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. No, it would be the right thing to do. And the "why" is CRYSTAL clear... |
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sloppyjoe25s (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
76. Great Idea - i agree |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Not good enough for a recommendation though, ey? |
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wanpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Many of your responses, sfam, are condescending in nature, as if no one can understand |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
84. Actually that is a good idea just like the BRILLIANT race speech he gave in Philli. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
88. Obama isn't responsible for cleaning up her mess. He's taken more high road than necessary already |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. I care about Obama winning the GE, not Hillary taking responsibility...nt |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
89. Obama doesn't NEED to make amends with Clinton supporters., He hasn't done anything except win. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Obama needs to win the GE...to do that... |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Rescue her from herself? |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. I must have missed |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. That might be true if there was still a chance for her to continue...I don't see that... |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. The question isn't what you see as "a chance" but what Hillary sees |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Hillary won't get to decide this. Her Supes and fundraisers will end this for her... |
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wanpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. brilliantly said houston...I'm very suspicous of the op's desire to harp on Obama "rescuing" her |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. That's right. I'm really a Clinton plant...as all my previous posts attest to... |
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Cnote1 (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
93. I think he Is putting her Campaign to bed |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. hopefully, without supper. n/t |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
94. No Way, It is not his responsibility to rescue her. She will use it as a lever to continue. Once she |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. My disagreement with you on this is that I think she's already done... |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
97. No. She wouldn't return the favor. In fact, she would probably find a way to backstab him on this. |
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wanpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. agree totally! |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Do you honestly think she can recover from this, whether Obama says anything or not? |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #97 |
112. Of course she would. nt |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
104. defend her character? - Obama should throw her under the GD. bus...! |
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pompano (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
106. No.... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Whether she meant it or not, or things similar to it, do you really think she can... |
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pompano (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. I'm not sure I know... |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
108. He will no doubt be asked about it |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
111. He will probably do that. Then 10 mins later she will do something else |
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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
113. Her character should not be defended. She is disgusting. |
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mcctatas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
117. As disgusting as the thought is to me, I grdgingly agree... |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
119. This ain't Obama's burden |
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Postman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
120. Excellent point. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
122. *Obama's* chance? PFFT! It's *clinton supporter's* chance. |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
123. No! It is not a "gaffe". She's not quitting, and that's one of her reasons. Period. |
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noel711 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
126. Do you know what 'amends' are? |
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