Calm Down. Take a Deep Breath. It's Over.

Prof. Douglas Brinkley, as another post noted here, was interviewed about this latest gaffe and his demeanor said it all among "serious" political persons.

Hillary's campaign is over.

He said that someone may need to intervene to help her recognize the damage she is doing to herself at this point, not just to her party.

Turn your outrage into a vision of a campaign that will work to create a better nation. I can see a sea of faces of all races and ages joined together to celebrate the historic moment when Obama is inaugurated.

Take a deep breath.

Do not waste your energy hating Clinton. I can get outraged by her as well, but at this moment, it is time to recognize that Obama is the democratic candidate and we are embarking on a wonderful time in American history, a time when we can work to fulfill the promises of our constitution.

Clinton recognizes, as is evident in her remarks after the fact, that her campaign is over.

What do you want this nation to be? How do you want to help to create that nation? Take a deep breath and get to the business of being the future.

The world is not going to turn into Rock candy mountain just because Obama becomes president.

Let's try to keep some perspective.

my remarks, please note, are about people in this nation working to create a better future. there is nothing messianic about this remark at all.

working for the future is not messianic. it is extremely practical and, basically, what democracy is all about.

you have really surprised me lately with your remarks to me. please do not twist what I have said.

"Obama is the democratic candidate and we are embarking on a wonderful time in American history, a time when we can work to fulfill the promises of our constitution."

That sounds messianic to me.

since I wrote it, I know what I meant. I meant to inspire a desire for empowerment after 8 years of misery.

"we can work" doesn't mean a messiah comes and turns water into wine.

what does our constitution mean, anyway? It is a document about freedoms, rights and responsibilities of the people of this nation. it assumes an engaged populace.

maybe people have become so hopeless about the prospect of change in this nation that any comment about the same requires a put down, since it takes courage to work against powerful people.

but again, you'll take from it what you will.

if that's not what you meant, I suggest better phrasing in the future.

After all, that's what HRC is being accused of; poor judgment, evidenced by poor choice of words.

if you knew anything about ways to inspire/motivate people, you would know that visualizing positive actions is often used.

athletes do this to improve their performances in competitive events. for instance. It is not considered "messianic" to create a positive image for a future.

but as I said, you will take it in whatever way you choose. maybe the point is that my words were effective and you don't like them and therefore you have chosen to frame them in a negative way.

in any case, I am finished with this conversation because I know I will only hear yet another way in which your perception is my fault.

no, really I am....


:rofl:

We don't need a Magic Mommy, what this country needs will have to come from the bottom up.

We need a Morpheus to show us the door.

:woohoo:

anybody who was in a position to intervene is every bit as delusional, if not moreso, than Hillary herself.

She will destroy the party and herself because nobody is willing to talk her down.

How many times did we all hold our tongues because surely she would concede after TX, NC, IN, OR. But nooo. She just goes on and on.

If we don't fight, she'll take us all down.

I have to question her true motive here, if it's just "winning at any cost" then we clearly would NEVER want someone like her in office. and, if it's sinister, and having Huckabee just reference that, and have her turn around a few days later, clearly with that in her head and saying this, then we clearly don't want her even more for that reason!

PB

I had been thinking that she was just talking, probably tired, and just letting her mind run. But this is already major news, and KO's "special comment." She can't live this down...:shrug:

then it is "hard-working WHITE Americans", then it is all the myriad of ways she wants to count votes which have no resemblance to reality, and now she is talking about assassinations?

Before you patronize anyone why don't you think about what the response would have been if Barack had said all those things? If Barack, a black man, had started talking about the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, how would the Hillary supporters have reacted? They got bent out of shape when he called someone "sweetie".

Yes, I'm angry and so are other Obama supporters. We've had enough from this woman.

Her campaign is not over until she concedes or the DNC lets her know it's over. It is past time for them to act.

If you want to take my remarks in that way, you will.

Those who see an end to this campaign because of this moment will understand my intent.

My intent is not to patronize. Of course I may be wrong - that also doesn't mean I am patronizing anyone. If you don't know me, you don't know that I have stated, more than once, that I loathe Clinton. I haven't used this "nice" verb for it, tho.

I have also had enough. The point I was trying to make is that Brinkley isn't a hothead for one side or another, yet he recognizes that she cannot continue this. As I've noted before, any other candidate would have been pressured by the powers that be to drop out by now. She has gotten all kinds of passes for remarks and she has alienated Democrats with her McCain remark. She has shown she is not a team player.

I fully agree that it is past time for the DNC to put an end to her scorched earth campaign. And I think this has put an end to it.

{HELLO SUPER-DELEGATES!!!!] ... and not a moment sooner ... :mad:

This was the very last of the last straws for me; and the Democratic party needs to end this NOW.

This kind of assassination-pandering inflametory filth should not be tolerated from ANY of our candidates,

I worked for RFK in Oregon and California during '68 campiagn... this cuts way to close to the bone for
me.

Now that she's shown her true colors, I would hope that EVERY Democrat worth their salt will not rest
until this lady is OUT OUT OUT of this race, period.

She has said and done so many things at this point that it seems destructive to keep her in the news cycle.

It must have been so heartbreaking for you in 68. Strangely, today I was watching some archival footage from Robt. Kennedy's campaign. I even started a post about it, quoting his 1966 speech in South Africa, when he was one of the few international leaders, much less Americans, who spoke out about an end to apartheid.

He was a very inspiration speaker, from what I've seen and read. He created a legacy for other politicians with any character to follow by his courageous stances on civil rights around the world. I was too young to know much of anything about politics at the time. I was too busy doing flips on the monkey bars.

When I was watching RFK's last campaign speech, when he said, "Now, it's on to Chicago and let's win this thing," I thought... we've finally made it to Chicago and now we have a candidate who can inspire as Kennedy did and who will empower the American people. Rather than a repeat of RFK's history, I see Obama as a person who learned from RFKs example of empowerment.

I've never seen things quite the same way since then, when I was a naive university student gone AWOL to join
the Kennedy campaign full-time. His death burned into me a deep resolve to devote my entire life to creatively fighting
the forces of injustice and tyranny. I know he had a similar effect on many many people.

From Bobby's book:
"It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

Thanks again for your thoughtful reply.

Thanks.

SD and Montana deserve contested elections.

Steve

I think Hillary would be the worst candidate the democrats could have at this point in time. I would never vote for her. With her 53% negative ratings she would be poison for down ticket races b/c of the r.r. she would bring out to vote against her.

I hope I'm right and you're wrong. We'll see.

It's funny tho, that Clinton expected the race to be over by Feb. 5th and didn't expect to face any contested race and that was just fine with her supporters. Now they want to change the rules because they cannot accept that she is not the nominee. Personally, I don't think stealing a nomination would be a good way to start a presidential campaign. her actions since March are a sign of her character and I would never want her to be president.

I'll wait for a better female who can lead this nation and not mire it in yet more dirty politics.

I'm pretty sure of it.

I'm hoping that, before May 31st, enough super delegates will declare so that her petition before the rules committee will not matter.

I guess we'll see how much damage they think she has done. For Brinkley to say that someone may need to do an intervention is a "big" comment. He called this the low ebb of her entire career. Who would do such an intervention?

The super delegates.

They are the only ones who have the power, at this point, to stop her. That's why i say it's over. There is no way she can overcome the negative reactions to this moment.

will of the people and the winner of the popular vote!"

You can see that shit starting already around here, if you look for it.

I hope- I really, really, hope- I'm wrong. But I think she's so fucking far gone with this sense that it's hers, that it doesn't matter what ANYONE does. She'll move the goalposts, whatever it takes.

because ppl see that she is willing to take this all the way into August, moving the goalposts as she goes.

grantcart seems to think a stampede of super delegates is coming because this remark gives them the excuse. Then the 40 from the CA guy - Cardoza? It was my understanding that if Obama had 90 more pledged delegates (now that would be 50) there is no way the MI and FL rulings could make a difference. this assumes, of course that the caucus states do not get disenfranchised.

this has turned into a circus.

The feelings don't come out of nowhere. Many of us remember when the promise was plucked from us in the past. We remember where we were on those exact days when horrors fell on the nation. So the fears, understanding the realities of the past, will need some time to come down from today's events.

I know that you mean well and I take your thoughts to heart.

Everyone is in this forum screaming literal bloody murder. There is so much rancor that I find I can get lost in feelings of despair.

This thing does continue to go on and on and on...

Sometimes it is good, and it certainly does no harm, to try to see beyond one moment. To see some good. This is basically the idea behind existential and cognitive psychology - the idea that you create the meaning for your own existence and frame your reality in such a way to help get beyond things that are sometimes too difficult to bear. One remark by Clinton doesn't mean "too difficult to bear," but the idea that she would continue to try to cheat her way onto the democratic ticket is a very hard idea for me to bear because I dislike her so much.

I really had no intent to offend anyone.

I have to be honest - I've started to respond to a number of people today but abandoned the replies. I wanted to rip heads off and curse a blue streak while stomping on their brains.

Yeah, I've been so pissed off. I don't want anyone else to live through what we experienced all those years ago. And today's events brought out a lot of raw feelings on my part. I think that rawness actually started in November of '63.
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as the news media begins aiming the big guns at him.

My only regret is that Clinton ran such a positive campaign against him and is leaving him ripe for the GOP attacks.

So when Obama wins in November, you're gonna be celebrating bigtime, I take it? :party: