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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:12 PM
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I agree with John Hardwood, just now on MSNBC. Just saying.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 08:16 PM by Rhiannon12866
Nobody would make such a reference on purpose, specially somebody as savvy as Sen. Clinton. Unless she was just tired and trying to rephrase previous statements, equating herself with Bill and Bobby Kennedy, who won late primaries... :shrug:

on edit, mentioned the cable channel...
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:14 PM
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1. She might've been tired, but it's clear she has assassination on her mind...
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:17 PM
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4. And, this time, she shot herself in the foot...
x(
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:51 AM
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66. According to downthread, HARWOOD HIMSELF Has been spouting off about "something happening" to Obama
As "justification enough" for her to stay in the race. He also (along with Candy Crowley and some other jackass) decreed that the Hagee stuff was "just too much, Americans are tired of hearing about this sort of thing" and oh yeah, not as bad as the Rev. Wright affair. One of them even said the Rev. Wright remarks were worse...!!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:27 PM
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77. You're absolutely right.
I listened to the Rev. Wright remarks and couldn't argue with him. But we got just the pertinent sound bytes, which were terrible.:-(

AS for Candy Crowley, I cringe when they put her on the TV. She covered the Kerry campaign in 2004 and did a very poor job. I cringed when they turned to her, and what she said. x(

As for Harwood, I just agreed with this one statement of his. I have no idea whether he's a Hillary supporter, which I am not, but I just thought that this was a fair call... :-)
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:18 PM
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6. A ha! So the mistake she made was in her thinking! Busted... by the thought police!
What a sad way to end a campaign. A week ago she could have exited heroically. At this point she's starting to look like she's manning the Alamo.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:32 PM
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28. I know. I caught her interview with Wolf Blitzer, and felt bad.
I actually thought that she sounded a little unhinged. But the media took care of her tonight, just like Dennis and JRE. *sigh*
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:57 AM
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60. She sounds like a sociopath
No center, no compass, no empathy.

Its ok, from that perspective, to reap the benefits of the assassination of a rival. And this is the candidate to lead our nation?
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:44 AM
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63. I've thought that she sounded unhinged in recent interviews, too.
My only point was that I think advocating assassination is a far stretch. RFK Jr. agrees with this. The media is choosing our candidates. I don't like that. Hillary is not my candidate, but I definitely resent having worthy candidates drop out, like Kucinich and John Edwards, at the whim of the media... :-(
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:55 AM
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58. Not to everyone, I don't believe it so clear cut?
:hide:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:47 AM
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65. That was my only point in posting this. The media decides our candidates.
Dennis Kucinich said this, and John Edwards was another victim. The media wanted to cover the Hillary-Obama race. Thank you, AuntPatsy. Please don't hide. You're right.:pals:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:16 PM
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2. She has made similar comments 4 times now (at least)
This is just like the MSM trying to excuse her for her repeated sniper lies.

Its NOT because she's tired, its because it (finally) became a shitstorm that some in the MSM dont want to cover because they have a vested interest in supporting her.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:22 PM
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12. I'm not saying she's innocent about "sniper fire" and all...
But you're right that she's made this speech before, equating herself with her husband and RFK, who both won late primaries. But I can't imagine that she was referencing assassination, despite KO's "special comment," and I think the world of him. But I do think it's a way out for Sen. Clinton, but it was the media who got hold of this and made this decision, the same way that they decided that Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, and, especially, John Edwards were out of the race...:-(
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:05 PM
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41. Plus, last week I heard Harwood infer that "something" could happen and
the way it was phrased seemed to indicate that he was talking about something physically happening to Obama. Someone posted last week about the inference that "something" could happen but the thread got locked. But it was obvious that they weren't talking about a scandal derailing Obama.

Harwood showed tonight that he really is a Clinton supporter and NOT an objective reporter (the old I can't believe that about Clinton really gave it away).
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:59 AM
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61. When somebody uses the word "something" has does murder enter into it?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:54 AM
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67. Before Obama ran, you didnt hear much "assuming something disastrous will happen"
"between now and the convention"

to Paraphrase Chris Rock.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:30 PM
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73. Because before Obama there were few candidates that had such a close relationship
with such a controversial pastor. Before Obama there were few candidates that attacked whole swaths of the country by claiming they cling to firearms and missionary

work.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:03 AM
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68. I can't say I haven't thought of this, and it scares me to death.
I was alive, as a small child, when JFK was shot, and remember both the RFK and MLK assassinations, so these things make an impression. That was my first 9/11. 9/11 woke me up, since I was an adult then, and when I found DU.

And I've actually worried about Obama, which is maybe something I probably shouldn't say. He's going to be our next president and he will have my vote, and proudly done. I'd love him as our president, hoping for something, anything, better, and this guy has a lot to offer. He has wisdom and has shown leadership. But they shot at Gerald Ford, twice, and who hated Gerald Ford?!:shrug:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:17 PM
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3. It's not even the right historical reference to make.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:24 AM
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71. No, it's not.
But a lot of stuff happens in the heat of the campaign. My only point in posting this was that the media has suddenly deciding that Hillary is done. Long past time, but it should be her decision. They decided that both Dennis and John Edwards were done, and I resented that. I would proudly vote for Obama. But I get upset when the media decides our choices, is all. :shrug:
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:17 PM
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5. Yeah, real "savvy" that one is. It's been a recurring theme..
.. throughout the campaign. We're to excuse every major fuck up with "she's tired" BS? Fine. Let he be tired someplace else.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:20 PM
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10. Indeed, I think the lady has earned a first class bus ticket to
the destination of her choice. IN FACT, Du'ers could easily mount a collection for her.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:25 PM
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16. I agree. She should withdraw, should have weeks ago.
The writing is on the wall, for those that do math. My only point was that I don't think she was advocating assassination. She merely misspoke a previous speech...:shrug:
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:30 PM
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19. Yeah, I don't think she is advocating anything. But it's still a..
.. dog whistle for those who may fear putting any hope in a certain candidate. I've come to the conclusion that she's way in over her head.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:21 PM
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24. I think that the media seized on this for a reason, is all.
They decided that we didn't need Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and then John Edwards. And now it's Hillary's time. It may be way past her time, but I still object to the media choosing our candidates...:-(
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:10 PM
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39. She wasn't advocating it but she was COLDLY CALCULATING
that it could well happen and that she was going to ensure she was in the right place to benefit by it if it did happen. Cold, calculating and despicable, truly despicable.

This being the THIRD time she made these kind of comments when questioned about why she is staying in shows how long she has been calculating this "strategy".
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:19 PM
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7. I'm sick of her getting the "Nobody could possibly say something so fucked up, so she couldn't...
have said it" pass. She keeps saying shit and as an adult she ought to eventually be taken at her word,
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:24 PM
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25. I know...all you have to do is look at her history
and what all she's been saying when she's so fucking tired and you know it's a disease.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:18 AM
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49. It's kind of like that, isn't it? It's like she can't stop, no matter what.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:19 AM by Rhiannon12866
It's actually kind of scary, since I caught her interview with Wolf Blitzer and she sounded a bit unhinged, like she couldn't see reality. But I honestly don't think she's so far gone to advocate assassination.:-(

I've heard her speeches and she was just referring to both Bill and RFK winning in late primaries, and both Democrats, that's all.:shrug:

That's my story and I'm sticking with it! The media be damned...:P
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:19 PM
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8. It doesn't matter what she intended...
even if she didn't mean it to come out the way it did -- like she was continuing her campaign just in case "something might happen" to Obama like it did RFK -- her judgment in even bringing up the subject is highly questionable. And she's referred to RFK's assassination before, too; just not quite so explicitly. So I'm not inclined to cut her a lot of slack or write it off to fatigue.

It's time for her to hang it up. Actually, it was time awhile ago.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:22 PM
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13. you said it ocelot...
like she was continuing her campaign just in case "something might happen" to Obama like it did RFK -- her judgment in even bringing up the subject is highly questionable.

This is exactly right....her statement is referencing that she is staying in the race in case something awful happens to her opponent...there is no other way to read this. Tired or no tired, she knew and meant exactly what she said.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:28 PM
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27. I agree with you completely that she should have withdrawn.
The math is not on her side, as everyone in the media keeps telling us. But I just cannot believe that she would ever advocate assassination, of anyone, no matter what. I think she just inelegantly tried to rephrase a previous speech about both Bill and RFK winning late primaries, but misspoke. And the media turned it into something much more...:shrug:
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:19 PM
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9. Barack is tired too, and at times people think he's slow to respond. He
chooses his words carefully, words matter. This is the way a professional, serious contender for the highest office of this country edits himself. He's tired and frustrated too. She has no excuses, not any more. She's over, gone...
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:34 PM
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29. That's a pretty good point
for the people who made fun of Barack's proclivity to say "uh... er... um..." Sounds as if she could use a few delay words herself.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:44 PM
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34. You've made a good point. He really does think before he speaks.
And does so very slowly. He's been made fun of for this, especially on SNL, but we need a leader who thinks before he speaks. Or pushes any button...:-)
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:43 AM
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56. that's the kind of speaker I want in the White House
The kind that thinks twice before he speaks. The kind who can still focus even when tired and doesn't fall back on excuses for everything that goes wrong. That's the kind of change I want.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:21 PM
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11. Late primaries? 1980, 1984. No need to refer to the events of 1968.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:23 PM
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15. yep, no need to mention 1968 unless you want to throw out the word assasination...
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:23 PM
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14. The claim she was tired is BS. To say it once is excusable as tired, three times is a pattern....
And IF she was tired; how will she be at 3 AM.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:59 AM
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79. That really is a good point, LOL.
My own mother isn't much good after 11pm, completely shuts down. And they say Bush* isn't good after nine... That was a pretty poor excuse for a campaign commercial, especially since one of the children depicted is now working for Obama...:crazy:
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:30 PM
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17. Wrong. Tired is not an excuse in using assassination as a reason to continue.
What happens at 3 AM if poor Hillary is too tired to make the right decision?
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:30 PM
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18. Freudian slip??
I know Hillary is upset with the upstart, Sen. Barack Obama, for taking her rightful place as POTUS. I can't help but wonder if this gaff of hers today was repressed thoughts -- you know, those terrible remarks that tend to always slip out at the wrong time.

Consciously, I don't really believe she wants to see him assassinated, she just wants him to go away.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:36 PM
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20. The problem is that it continues the pattern...
of the Clinton campaign of not planning and then when something fails just trying to shove forward until something else changes.

or

she did it to take the heat off of McCain's medical dump.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:37 PM
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21. You agree with John Hardwood...
and I don't - which is not unusual.

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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:38 PM
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31. I usually don't, either, I promise. Wall Street Journal?! Get real!
And my friend and I think he somehow looks like a caricature. But he seemed to me, tonight, to be the only one who could see through the media fog, is all...:shrug:
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:43 PM
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33. He's been on her side many times...
and it's Harwood, not Hardwood. Either way, I think he's dead wrong.

:shrug:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:02 PM
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37. Sorry, I made a typo. I know his name.
And he's usually dead wrong, but not this time, is my only point...:-(
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:21 PM
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40. You know she's done this 3 times, right?
:shrug:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:00 AM
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45. Get me straight. I'm not a Hillary supporter, nor do I think she said a smart thing.
I was for Dennis, since 2003, and got on board with Edwards. *sigh* But I am expecting an Obama nomination and he floored me with his "speech," a brilliant man.:-)

And Hillary has mentioned this numerous times, but never misspoke before. Her point was, from my take, was that both Bill and RFK won in late primaries. That was all. And I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, in one of her last speeches, as a candidate.:shrug:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:39 PM
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22. Harwood is one of the few in the media who got it right. Keith Olbermann,
and his mentor, Chris Matthews, choose to swiftboat Hillary on the issue.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:02 PM
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23. I guess that this was my point.
I love KO, but I think that he overreacted on this one, and I never thought I would say that. And Chris Matthews is just over the top on whatever story is the most sensational of the day... *sigh*
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:36 PM
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30. it's a pattern...
not a singular event. I'm surprised that anyone is surprised at Hillary's mention of this. I suppose if she hadn't used the word 'assassinate' it would not be a problem. Obviously the "catastrophic event" was never questioned. I guess no one realized just how 'catastrophic' an event they are hoping for.

Clinton campaign on ropes
BY JOHN GUERRIERO

Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NEWS02/805080437



Sun May 11, 2008

Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination.
But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinton/index.html?section=cnn_latest


CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination
May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and that’s a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. That’s not much to hang a hat on but it’s starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. “Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too,” Trippi said. I don’t think there’s any way now for her to gain the nomination. She’s at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.”

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. “I think there’s lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there,” he said. “But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like it’s damaging the nominee … I don’t think there will be any tolerance for that at all.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main4078586.shtml
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:47 AM
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72. Oh, so it's OK to utter the word "assassination" while...
enumerating reasons to stay in the race? Really? Three times? You are so wrong here that it's actually exhilarating! A whole new level of misinterpretation of demonstrable fact!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:34 PM
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82. Sadly, you're too blinded by your Hillary-hate to look at it in any other way.
Try to have a nice Memorial Day holiday. :hi:
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:26 PM
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26. No...You don't infer that you are waiting around for the assassination
your political rival, so you can win the prize. I don't care how tired you are.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:55 PM
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35. My point was that I don't think she was. But the media did. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:11 PM
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43. In the forty years since we lost Bobby, I have never referred to that day
by accident. I don't know anybody who could.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:09 AM
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47. I'm sorry, Beth. I was alive then, too, and he was my senator.
But I think that Hillary just misspoke in that speech. She's not my candidate, never was, but I think that the media is dead wrong in this case, as they were dismissing so many of our other candidates, including my top two choices. *sigh*

What I've heard, in her many speeches, is her referring to both Bill and Robert Kennedy winning in late primaries. I guess that gives her some hope for herself, or at least that's something to say...:shrug:

But I can't honestly think she meant to invoke this. She's becoming a little unhinged, in her hopes for the nomination, but she loves our standard bearers as much as the rest of us do. I do believe that, though not much else...:shrug:

Rhiannon:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:15 AM
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48. I gave her the benefit of a doubt the first two times she did this.
But by now, it's as if she's purposely fingering a wound that is still fresh after all these years.

If she did it accidently, she's not to be trusted as a leader. And that's the best construction that can be put on it.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:26 AM
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51. My only point was that I've heard her speeches.
And I never got a hint of this before. She invoked both Bill and Senator Kennedy winning in late primaries, both Democrats, and at this time of year. I'm not defending a stupid remark, and she should have acquiesced long ago, but I think that the media hype over her advocating assassination is way over the top, like Edwards' expensive haircut or Dennis believing in UFOs. She misspoke, pure and simply.:shrug:

Rhi:hi:
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:41 PM
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32. for someone who wants to answer the phone at 3am
Edited on Fri May-23-08 09:41 PM by NEDem
She sure makes a lot of slips when she is "tired".
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:59 PM
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36. My only point is that the media should not decide our candidates. We should.
But they can and they do. And I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I think that the media decided this and ran with it... :-(
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:03 PM
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38. Whatever the actual motive, it was a STUPID and INSENSITIVE thing to say !!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:07 PM
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42. She's said it before, with no faux outrage directed at her
Just more "red meat" for Obama supporters for today's news cycle.

Really, you should all be ashamed for behaving in such sheep-like fashion.
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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:12 PM
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44. I don't mean to yell...BUT THE CLINTONS NEVER SAY ANYTHING BY ACCIDENT!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:06 AM
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46. so now aome of the obambi supporters are mind readers knowing
what is in her thoughts. WOW!

I think you should heed the words of robert Kennedy Jr., the son of the slain Senator, " I have heard her make this reference this before, and I think it is a mistake for people to take offense." So there you have it from the one that would most affected by her words if the intent was not a comparison of how long some campaigns run....

But I have never heard so much wailing and gnashing of teeth from folks that one would think you that are going apeshit about this were the relatives.....but the family members that would be affected believe people should not take offense.....so live with it....


Shalom
Ben David
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:31 AM
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53. Very cool, and thanks, BenDavid.
I've heard this, too, from RFK Jr., and if it's okay with him, one of my heroes, it should be okay with us.:-)
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:54 AM
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57. it's not about RFK or the Kennedys
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:55 AM by ginnyinWI
It is about potential harm coming to a current potential Presidential nominee. You see? She was trying to justify staying in the race, and thought this example would give it a little more weight, that's all.

What if someone made a veiled reference to Hillary coming to harm? Would that be okay as long as Bill were okay with it? How would all HRC's supporters like that?


It was just wrong, stupid wrong. There is no excuse for any politician to say something that dumb. I don't really know or care what was in her thoughts. It's what came out of her mouth that I am upset about.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:19 AM
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50. Oh, Hillary said it on purpose and fully intended its import.
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:29 AM
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52. well 1 out of 5 on the show had that view(only him)
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:34 AM
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54. That's why I mentioned it, since I was impressed with his candor,
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:39 AM by Rhiannon12866
not what I expected. But he went against the media frenzy, which impressed me, since I agreed, for once, LOL. :-)

On edit: Welcome to DU! We're glad to have you with us...:hi:
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:39 AM
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55. He didn't want to believe
that she would actually go there. I believe that is what he alluded too in his remarks.

Her remarks were so DESPICABLE that the pundits are trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. I can only imagine what they are saying in private and off camera.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:38 AM
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62. The media blasts her, picks every remark apart, not just her, but any of our candidates,
Dennis, Edwards, Obama, Biden, any of them. They decide when the time is up. That's my objection. They tried writing Obama off last week. And that's how they sell soap. :-(
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:56 AM
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59. since we're delving here, maybe deep down she doesn't want to run anymore and is looking
for an the emergency release button. Maybe it's the people around that are pressuring so much that this just came out accidentally on purpose.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:45 AM
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64. Are you kidding me? She wants this so bad she's willing to stoop
to any level to get it. She doesn't care how she gets it, just so long as she gets it. Well she's getting it now: the righteous indignation of good, decent, yes, "hard-working" people everywhere.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:17 AM
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70. Mystery, I tend to agree with you.
But I really don't think she did this on purpose. I think she was just referencing both Bill and RFK's wins in late primaries, which she has done countless times before, and just misspoke. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I did support both Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards, and resented the efforts of the media to put an end to their campaigns... :-(
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:14 AM
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69. It's not the first time she said it though...
She said it in March, it was calculated and rehearsed to be used.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:33 PM
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74. Yes, and nobody would intentionally imply that Obama might be a Muslim.
And nobody would intentionally allow these types of signs at their events. It's all just a big misunderstanding. Unintentional blunders. As far as I know.



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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:19 PM
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76. Well that is just really sick, as well as a few e-mails I've gotten,
About his previous lack of "flag pin," his response to the national anthem or the Pledge of Allegiance. *sigh*

Thanks for the pix. I had no idea this was that bad. I respond to the e-mails, from people who should know better, with links from Snopes. Senator Obama has my vote in November, is all... :shrug:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:06 AM
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78. My friend, when did this happen?
Edited on Sun May-25-08 09:07 AM by Rhiannon12866
I know that everyone sometimes misspeaks, but that would have made even bigger news that the statement I posted about, and also coming from a woman. She's my senator, so I've heard a lot from her, but I was unaware of that...x(
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:04 AM
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80. She said it previously, too, though. A twice-made gaffe? For a politically savvy candidate?
If so, she's not as "experienced" as she claims. I don't think it was a gaffe at all. It was a message to the superdelegates not to endorse Obama after he wins the upcoming primaries.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:34 AM
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81. My point was John Harwood's, that this is one of her canned speeches,
Equating herself with both Bill Clinton and Robert Kennedy, who also ran for president and also won in the late primaries. I just happened to agree, with the Wall Street Journal guy, of all people, that she just misspoke when reiterating it, this time. That's all.:shrug:
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