What many of you Hillary Supporters might not understand

Is the legit fear we have of someone doing something to Obama. If you asked an Obama supporter what their biggest fear was. It was never losing to Hillary or McCain it was him being assasinated for being the first Black man with a very real chance at the Presidency. Many of us who have volunteered for the campaign have had to assure supporters that Barack would be safe. From the day he declared himself a candidate there have been emails calling him a terrorist practically calling for people to commit violence against him.

We believe in this man and win or lose we believe in his message. We believe he represents the best in America and we are very fearful that the worst of America will take him.

So our outrage tonight is real. It's not made up. Also our outrage for you defending the statements are not a shot in the typical flame war. This is by far the darkest day of the campaign so far and I'm saddened terribly.

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Christ, people. Get over yourselves. Go outside. Take a walk. You're losing it.

How many people have you had to assure Hillary was safe when you were volunteering for her.

But to state that you as Obama supporters have a lock on the safety of a man running for President is so arrogant, it makes me want to hurl.

NO ONE wants him hurt. At least no one who calls themselves a Dem.

Jake was just explaining why Obama people might be, well, touchier about it than most. As Teddy Kennedy supporters would've been in the Seventies, for example.

Now that I've clarified this, do you accept that you weren't being dissed?

It read to me that the Hillary supporters, (of which I am not one, never have been) are not aware that the possibility exists because of his race and that they are being dismissed as less caring of the eventual nominee.

So, I wasn't being dissed, as I'm not a Hillary supporter, nor an Obama supporter for that reason. I WILL vote for the Dem. candidate in the GE, but I have things I intensely dislike about both.

worked for a candidate before where I've heard the question do you think he's safe asked so much. Anyone who has worked for the Obama campaign has had to answer those questions either when phone banking or when knocking on doors. It is a unique experience to this particular candidate.

only Obama supporters are fearful and that is why they are reacting the way they did to Hillary's comments.

THAT is what I am disagreeing with. NO ONE who truly calls themself a Dem would ever want anything to happen to ANY democratic Candidate.

if they are sensitive to this issue, then they would not be defending her statements.

believe, genuinely believe, that she meant no offense and was simply referring to the fact that the primaries were still going on in June, when RFK was assassinated.

Is that even possible? Or is it just easier to assume that there was a malevolent intent?

Because regardless of her intent, her words have had a damaging echo all around the community and the world, and the damage has been done. At the very least she was careless and opened her trap in a way that made the world cringe. That kind of thoughtlessness simply cannot be defended. And the people who have worked for this campaign in particular are sensitive to it because Obama is a particularly targeted candidate.

At any rate, if everyone is sensitive to the issue of assassination, then everyone should be united over the inherent wrongness of what was said. Instead we have people saying it's no big deal and even sexist that people are reacting this way. This nation has never quite healed from events of the 60s.

What she said is about the equivalent of someone pissing on Ground Zero.

the Superman statue is just plain goofy. Looks like a photo op that Chucklenuts or Dead Eye Dick would dream up. All that is lacking is a "Mission Accomplished" sign to get his supporters all giddy.

And yes, before you go all postal on my ass, there are plenty of bad pictures of Hillary. Hopefully none of her supporters will want to use one in their signature. Yikes.

I've been flippant. All the apologies in the world aren't going to make a certain crowd happy, so, as a Clinton voter, may as well make the best of it, 's'what I say.

There are some things that you can say that will forever change the way people look at you, no matter how contrite. Because often people will only apologize when they feel their remarks caused them personal harm, not because they actually feel they said something bad. Hillary is so opportunistic that I will simply never believe that she is truly sorry for what she said, only that she is sorry for what it cost her.

I remember the racist shit that Trent Lott said in praise of Strom Thurmond. Although it's a different situation, he was forced to step down after saying what he said, because certain things you just don't say and get away with.

as I should be however the threat of assasination for Obama is unique and it is something we have been dealing with since the start of this campaign because of who he is. The only way you can possibly understand the fears is to actually have been involved in this campaign and had to deal with it as an issue to voters who were afraid voting for him put him in harms way.

I live in red state Hell where everyone repeatedly tells me that he won't get to the GE because he'll be assassinated prior. It sucks. It beyond sucks. It's horrific to contemplate.

My only point is that when you separate out the camps by something this egregious, it doesn't help things.

After reading through all the transcripts, I honestly don't believe she meant it the way some Obama supporters took it. And, I've never supported her. Too much baggage.

I share your concern about Obama. We all do.

to do a better job today apologizing. I'm hope she does something tommorow. I really would hate to see her go out on this. It would be very sad.

I think, at this point, she is just damned if I do, damned if I don't. And, it's not helping the party in terms of unity.

that she DID NOT SAY what her remarks were twisted to mean. It is not easy to know how to apologize for saying something one not say!

her apology was not as sincere as it needed to be.

(It would never happen to HRC, because she's too conservative and pro-establishment, so HRC supporters have no such concerns about their candidate, of course).

The OP said that Obama supporters have greater reason to be touchy about it. Can you not understand that there's a big difference between saying that and saying that non-Obama supporters don't give a rat's ass?

a rat's ass if he is assassinated? Are you serious? Wow.

I was saying that the OP also wasn't saying that. OK?

I think the factors that make it a riskier situation than we've faced since the rash of them in the 60's stand out to many of us. Consider:

1) How recently we've found that just about every one of those so-called "lone gunmen" assasinations in the 60's (JFK, MLK, Bobbie Kennedy) have evidence that's been discovered strongly disputing that these were "lone gunmen" and strongly indicating conspiracies behind each of them.

2) The kind of intelligence service abuses we had back in those days that were clamped down on after Nixon left office with things like FISA, etc. are now being abused and covered up heavily again by this administration, and with so much coverups and abuse going on now, it's not hard to imagine conspiracies happening nowadays even moreso.

3) The corporate control of our government and elements of both of the two major parties, and those that wield that control feeling threatened by newer elections and an awakening public to their abuses of this control make us concerned that they will resort to more extreme measures to maintain their control over our government when pushed.

4) Senator Obama as a black man, provides a perfect excuse to set up another "lone gunmen" white racist wacko to be the fall guy again for a similar act as to those that were carried out in the 60's, so that they could cover up any conspiratorial tracks that might happen. And I would conjecture that with today's technology and intelligence organizations, it would almost have to have a conspiratorial inside job's involvement in such a scheme.

5) Barack Obama's been nebulous about being too specific about the reforms he wants to make. Many of us held that against him earlier when we supported others like John Edwards, etc. who were more vocal and forceful in their stances. But many of us are now hopeful that he is intentionally holding back now, and will be more strident in heavily needed reforms that we all want when he carries out his "campaign of change". I think that makes him that much more of a threat to the insiders in Washington too that would trigger such a conspiracy.

6) This heavy push to have Hillary Clinton as his running mate, or someone else in her camp that could be viewed as one strongly compromised by these corporate insiders would be that much more of an incentive to have such a plot happen, since they would be instantaneously "solving" their threat problem with someone they might view as not a threat to take on the corporate power in Washington.

7) When you have Both Huckabee and Hillary throwing this in the narrative, it just makes it that much more of a thing that people are being set up to "expect".

8) One consolation though. Even though Barack's first name ends with a "K", at least his last name doesn't begin with one! If that correlation means anything in what happened back in the 60's! :)

In my book, her saying this probably immediately took her off of the short list for VP candidates, and for good reason. If I were in Obama's shoes, not only for America's sake, but for my own health and welfare I wouldn't want someone like that on the ticket.

She didn't NEED to say this. She doesn't NEED to continue staying in the race to be called up to be a candidate should something like this happen. But I think she'd be MORE apt to be accepted as such a replacement candidate if she weren't appearing so power-driven in her efforts to continue to drag out this race.

Do you remember what happened at her NH headquarters?

Do you not think she and president Clinton lived with that fear every day for 8 years....and still do live with it?

Look at the number of people here who absolutely HATE the two of them. Don't you think there are many out there who would take that Clinton hate to the very brink if there was not the strongest protection? ...(edited to stress the word "out there before anyone here starts thinking I am accusing them of wanting to kill her.)

Come ON!!! She did not even come CLOSE to saying that she is "waiting" for Senator Obama to be assassinated!

KO aside...President Clinton did not put a solid lock on the nomination until June, and RFK was still trying to lock it down in June.

Those are the two most recent examples of the process going that far into the year for Democrats. That is why she used them. NO OTHER REASON!

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The loudest assholes always have the thinnest skin

Bravo!!

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You can't make this shit up.

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But that's different.

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that's why he has Secret Service protection now.

My point is that it is supremely arrogant to post that only those who support Obama are fearful about something happening to him.

It's OPs like this one that don't do anything except create additional diviseness. Seriously, if Obama is the candidate, which looks likely, no one in ANY camp would wish ill on him.

That's what I was responding to.

Speaking of ARROGANT

And, don't mind nomad. His mom made him give up his xbox and he's upset.

They take everything wrong. Hate has a way of lowering a persons IQ, just look at the average republican. I gave up trying to debate with them a long time ago. They have degenerated into a mob mentality.

The likes of which I've never seen. If it had been this way when I was lurking during the 2004 primaries, pretty sure I wouldn't have signed up.

This forum is just awful. I truly hope that everyone can put this aside and work together to win the GE, but honestly, so many bridges have been burned, I'm thinking it won't happen.

Did RFK have SS protection or bodyguards in California? The point is, that even with protection bad things can happen.

as they did at a function for him recently. Remember that?

My response was to a post that I felt was dismissing our fears.

Security then and security now is much different due to the events of the 1960s.

many are concerned that Obama will be the victim of some neo nazi thug. Few worry about Bush, McCain, Bill, or Hillary getting it. I worry a lot. Especially, after comments like Hucky's joke the other day or Hillary's screw up today.

don't want him assassinated? Are you sure about that? Because I name probably 100 people on this site who aren't supporters, myself included, who wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I'm well aware that he has received death threats. You'd have to live under a rock not to be. But, it is arrogant to state that only a certain segment of the Democratic party is concerned about it. Period.

If it's not, then why not?

of Obama getting assassinated?

It has been barely under the surface and it occasionally pops up like at the Dallas rally. Most of the media and his supporters have kind of stuffed it down, feeling it was dangerous even to discuss it much. There is a reason as a candidate that he has a SS detail comparable to the Presidents.

Since you aren't a supporter of his maybe you aren't aware that this has been a huge issue but it has been.

And the ONLY candidate re whom that fear is expressed has been Senator Obama - not a single one of the other candidates from either party. And I've worked on campaigns since the 1960's.

Did you see BBC America's coverage on Clinton's remarks tonight? They were brutal, in that carefully spoken British way. Really, aside from the terminally rabid HRC supporters, the civilized world is horrified by her comments. The fact that anyone can defend her remarks and with a supposedly straight face claim that there was no implication re Obama being assasinated, tells us what not only intellectually challenged, but also what moral dregs of the gene pool contain the remaining HRC supporters.

Most of them know what this means for her and are sad and are lashing out at us.

To be honest I'm sad. I didn't want her to go down this way.

No sane person wouldn't be.

he understands what I meant by it.

Not a guy. :thumbsup:

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I was trying to stick up for you cause I understand what you were saying and I think you understand what I was saying now.

I didn't mean to jump all over you. I just feel sometimes here that not being a rabid supporter of either gets folks like me left in the dust.

It's all good. :hug:

Have put significant hours into this campaign. I put alot in for PA. So we are very emotionally invested. I fit into that category from being in the trenches from Late February to April 22. So I can be pretty rabid.

I know there are Hillary people on here that have done the same and most of them are nice.

The worst of both supporters never did a single thing except snark on here.

and speaks without hate rabid. In the least.

What I DO see, is a whole lot of keyboard warriors spewing hateful stuff that has no place anywhere, least of all on a Democratic site.

Thanks for everything you have done for Obama. It's good of you to do that.

I've been a little busy with local elections myself, and since my guy (Kucinich) went away pretty early on, I've been concentrating on that.

I'm also working for Mark Warner for Senate. Hoping to have either a fundraiser or the meet and greet to end all meet and greets. Still working out the details.

and I'm really hoping that most of the Hillary supporters who don't like Obama redirect their energy there. This attack on the DNC over MI and FL lately scares me cause she is in effect discouraging that. Not to bash her but that's what scares me.

Implies to me, that the Obama camp has a lock on worrying about his future. They don't. Everyone with a soul is aware that he is a potential target and it scares the shit out of me.

(Not a Hillary supporter. Not a Barack supporter) Will vote for the Dem. in the GE.

Lightens things up.

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Fortunately, Midlo, I know you don't need the sarcasm smiley. It's for the rest of the cast of GD-P, or as I like to call it, Lord of the Flies on acid.

And anytime you can get over yourself it won't be a second too soon.

But of course they'll just respond with smears about "cults" and "the messiah".

It is all they got.

:thumbsup: Those big rallies make me nervous.

Why is this the first thing that came to his mind, and hers.....it's sickening

There was no implication by association. The remarks were about the contest going into June.

Hillary has received plenty of death threats from evil people too.

I hate this man and I hate his message. He represents the worst in America to me.

I am not defending her statements--there is nothing to defend.

And I think Obama losing to Hillary or McCain was always a much more likely scenario then Obama being assasinated.

Steve

Are very hateful and angry. Please get help.

Exactly what "rule" was violated?

especially since we can score higher then 37 at bowling.

I am getting help...I am thinking of Democrats who can run against Mitt Romney in 2012. McCain will probably only serve one term.

Steve

You are on ignore and I won't be able to see you ever again.

I'll pray that you find some peace for all your irrational hate.

Is there a reason you hate idealism?

What is it about Obama that you are so implacably enraged about?

Do you really think it's wrong to want a better world?

She could have mentioned Reagan going to the convention or Teddy Kennedy going to the convention... what the hell did RFK's assasination have to do with the "contest going into June" as you put it????

I dare you to do something few Clinton supporters do and actually answer a question instead of posting and running.

was the point! Please see my post a little further up. RFK and WJC were the last two and most recent Democrats still in a nomination contest in June! That is what she said! Her remarks do not need to be defended because she did NOT SAY what most of the Obama supporters here are twisting her words to mean.

Came after watching the concern on the faces of his Secret Service detail.

Came due to seeing his supporters, after reaching out to him, reach out to his Secret Service agents, imploring them to, "please, keep him safe" and to thank them.


When I think of what would happen to my community in West Philly, if something were to happen to him...

At any time during this campaign or his Presidency. And I think we can do it.

I often think that if President Bush hasn't been taken out yet, given he is one of the most loathed men in the world, then perhaps that speaks volumes for the ability of our Secret Service to keep our leaders safe.

...so much so that the Secret Service provides security detail for him and has since. Sad, that in this country, a black man running for President would evoke this but it does, and it did - thus, our fear.

I have voiced here on DU and felt privately myself, that fear for him. I still do.

And why I feel so brokenhearted and disgusted by the words said by Clinton. Whether she meant it in a sinister manner or not, we simply cannot have the American people represented anymore by someone who speaks so carelessly. Hell, I don't even think President Bush would have said something like that. :(

vote for him because they thought it could end up getting him killed.

It has been a deep-seated concern since the beginning, especially since he won Iowa. This is a violent nation, particularly on the right, who are incited by constant hate speech and talk that Barack's not an American, he's a jihadist plant, etc. It's bad enough to hear this from the rightwing hate machine, but for Clinton to echo it, legitimize it, and even embrace it, as she has done throughout the campaign, is unforgivable.

door. This is a part of running for president and HRCknows first hand of all the death threats a person can receive, and I am sure obambi knew this when he decided to run. HRC was in no way saying any harm would come to obambi. DAMN! You are all reading something into it that is not there, and maybe you should maybe understand the words of Robert Kenndey Jr and what he understands this to be.

"As I said I will take Robert Kenndy Jr.'s words: "I’ve heard her make that argument before,” Mr. Kennedy said, speaking on his cell phone as he drove to the family compound in Hyannis for the holiday weekend. “It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign.” . . . is support of Mrs. Clinton has not wavered.
More from RFK, Jr.:

I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."

Well - if RFK's namesake is not upset with Hillary and understands what she was trying to say- maybe some of you should CHILL!

Shalom
Ben David

Ben David!

...Obama be elected. Now Hilly comes along and gives voice to that very fear.

I feel sick again.

NGU.

For better or worse it's out there. If anything good can come of this it's that we can have an open dialog our fears and it will galvanize his supporters like never before. If anything, we must remain vigilant.

When you go to one of his rallies and you scope out the security just to make sure he's safe. I felt he was very safe at the one I went to so I was relieved.

It is sad others don't see it, can't grasp it. :(

NGU :hug:

:hug:

NGU.

down before. A while back someone posted here "...a President hasn't been assassinated in over 40 years..." like that was a long time.

so the only experience I have is Reagan getting shot. That was a while ago...but not that long ago.

...as any other candidate for high office. You don't believe that there are people who hate women in power?

Google political assassinations and take note - black or white doesn't matter. When political assassins decide on their plans of action they go ahead and take the risks and do it.

That is NOT what Hillary Clinton was talking about. She was talking about being told to drop out before the last primaries into June had been held.

It was that simple. The editorial board members didn't even blink when they heard her "assassination" words because they heard them in the context she was using.

her remark reflected on Obama.

Keep in mind, Clinton lived in the WH for 8 years and saw her husband, herself and her daughter subjected to threats far greater than anything Obama has ever seen.

The public isn't buying it, sorry.

You aren't buying it. Because your part of the cult.

I want to thank you for what you wrote. I have been to upset to try to put it in a post. We live in a violent society with a violent history. I want to move forward.....I want ALL of us to move forward TOGETHER. We need to heal and come together as a nation or we will destroy ourselves. Hillary Clinton took us back......backwards. She is not change. She is not healing. She makes me very sad, very sad. Thank you Jake

trail. Believe me, I've had this issue brought up by people more than once.

What is almost incredible, is that in one spectacular flameout, Hillary has continued her magical feat of making herself relevant, if for a moment, at time when she should really have been irrelevant, and conclusively so.

You Hillary supporters had some serious nachas to be hanging on around here these last few weeks- now those of you who have ANYTHING to say other than, "you know what? I was also appalled," have some serious gall.

When is enough enough???

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That was what I was thinking but couldn't verbalize. The word should never have left her mouth and she had more people than the Kennedys to apologize to.