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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:49 PM
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The dust up over Hillary's comments....
Edited on Fri May-23-08 10:50 PM by Buddyblazon
I was out in my yard all day on a major landscaping project...so I was away from the TV and Computer all day.

BUT...I listened to Air America all day. So I heard about the whole thing continually for hours.

Now..I've said repeatedly that I would support either candidate in GE. I have slowly been drifting towards Obama. But I still consider myself on the outside looking in.

With that said...I can't even seem to muster up an ounce of rage over her comments in regards to her still being in the race. I just can't. Am I supposed to find them offensive? Cause I don't. I think they're just comments. I can't get pissed.


I heard all the arguments all day. Caller after caller. Maybe some people just want to be pissed.

I just think this is the wrong thing to get upset over. Talk about being over-sensitive.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:56 PM
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1. I will agree that it is the wrong thing to be upset about.
I want this much outrage about the funding of this war, or the fact that NOLA victims continue to be victimized, or that the patriot act continues. I encorage other to add much more important things to be upset over.......
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:58 PM
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2. Yes, murder in the name of politics is no big deal.
How silly of all of us.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:02 PM
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3. I love how we are told
time and time again that we shouldn't be upset or this is no big deal. I just want to know where these people were during bitter gate? I don't think those bitter comments had anything to do with assassination yet it was blown up all over DU. What about Rev. Wright, because we all know the God damned America was outrageous, even though they didn't come from the mouth of Obama. Where was the "no big deal" folks then?
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:25 PM
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8. Who said I wasn't upset about any of that stuff?
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said how I felt about Wright. I was downright furious the attention that that crap got.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:28 PM
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9. I didn't see it that way.
Just didn't. Listening to her comments for hour...I understood what she was talking about. And I didn't find it offensive.

That's called being honest.

I'll also say that Hillary has said and done several other things that pissed me off. However, this wasn't one of them.

That...as well...is called being honest.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:49 PM
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13. That's you honesty. It doesn't mean that a lot of other people don't
honestly see it another way.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:12 AM
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24. How can it be 'wrong' to feel upset?
I lived through Katrina, but it did not numb me to feeling sad, happy, angry, etc. about other things.

The spectre of political assassination is not something to be shrugged off lightly, especially since the likely Dem nominee is an African American.

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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:02 PM
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4. If you dont feel upset then dont get upset
I just speak for myself and I say that if she is hoping for an assassination for her to get the NOD, although she couldnt now because of her COMMENTS, then she is sick.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:03 PM
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5. You can't be undecided now..........
Go try to fool someone else.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:23 PM
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:25 PM
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7. I think you have it.
"Maybe some people just want to be pissed."

That is all some people have learned from the last eight years.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:29 PM
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10. even if you give it the most charitable reading possible
do you really think that a person that is so obviously not ready for a presidential campaign should still be considered a viable candidate when she now must get 82% of all of the remaining delegates and is unable to put forth a clear unoffensive message on why she should remain in the race except that the presumptive nominee might die?
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:34 PM
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11. No...
I do not. I think she's made quite a few divisive comments. I just don't think this is one of them.

But I have thought she should bow out for some time now. For a little over a month...maybe more. I can't give you an exact time. But it's been for awhile now.

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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:48 PM
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12. Well, try putting the shoe on the other foot....
Edited on Fri May-23-08 11:49 PM by earthlover
What if Obama had said that he was considering Hillary for VP but wanted to wait to see whether she was assassinated before he made up his mind? Could any of us IMAGINE Obama (or any other presidential nominee) would make such a statement?

Hillary's statement is preposterous and unprecedented. Is this the type of stupid mindless butt-head comments she would make if she were actually elected president? Would she make such bone headed comments during the fall campaign if we were to give her the nomination? I think the answer to both these questions should now be pretty obvious! Hillary is an amatuer, we need someone with less of a foot-in-mouth presence than Hillary.

If this is the type of statement an experienced candidate makes, just shows how little Hillary has learned from her experience!!!!
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:54 PM
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16. I already said I didn't hear that way.
What do you want me to say?

I said in another thread that I am in Obama's court...and I am.

But just like bitter-gate and the Rev. Wright crap....I can't even force myself to get pissed off about her comments. I don't know what everybody wants me to say.

I heard the replay probably 20 times today. And I understood it as a reference to a time of the year.


And again...I think she's made a lot of gaffes. And she's said a lot of things that angered me. All those things combined are what finally put me behind Obama.


But I'm not pissed.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:51 PM
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14. Here's my email to Nancy Pelosi (my representative) which explains why I am upset.
I cut out the 'Dear Congresswoman Pelosi and the yes-I-am-in-your-district' intro paragraph, signature etc..


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I do not feel that the risk of violence against any individual should play a part in our political calculus; most especially when a free people come together to select one of their number to lead their country into the future.

As a superdelegate, you have been entrusted with both power and responsibility to shape the future of this nation in a way that others cannot. Please exercise your unique franchise in a way that upholds the ideals upon which this country is founded.
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:53 PM
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15. Also real hot to bring up Ted's brother this week. Total class.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 11:54 PM by mystieus
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:56 PM
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18. Oh certainly....
she doesn't think about what she says many times before she says it. That's why I think Obama is more electable.


But...wait...let me check...yep...still not pissed.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:55 PM
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17. This was Hillary's Bittergate. The difference is that Obama isn't going to push it.
He knows who the enemy is, unlike Hillary.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:58 PM
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19. I agree....
If he were to pursue it...he would actually upset me. He is supposed to be above old school politics. At least that's what he has repeatedly said.

And at this point I'm taking his word on it.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:04 AM
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22. The Obama campaign's response:
"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/23/clinton-kennedy-assassina_n_103319.html

So yeah, you were right. All they said was that this kind of thing didn't belong in the campaign. Denouncing old school politics and refusing to involve himself in them.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:00 AM
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20. Buddy, I say thank you for making your own decision in this matter
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:01 AM by BenDavid
unlike others that when she made the same comments several months back the obambi supporters and the whoremedia did not make a stink of what hrc said. They all knew the intent of her words was how long some campaigns can run and even run into June. BUT WhAT HAPPENED?

Well for one the mediawhores have aligned themselves with obambi and have gotten so far up his ass that if he got the runs they too would be using the toliet. Now since obama is not fairing too well the whoremeida seems to have taken it upon themselves to this time come down hard on HRC...Now if you wanna see hypocrisy up close then all you have to do is see the outrage in here from some obambi folks and the mediawhores on tv. Such hypocrisy......

But I will stand with HRC and her comments and there was no intent to cause any harm to befall anyone even if she used the word assassinate. I will also stand with the words of Robert Kennedy Jr. the son of the slain Senator, " I have heard her reference these comments in the past, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense." I concur....

Shalom
Ben David
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:08 AM
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23. I think part of the problem with this entire process this year...
and I don't think it's a bad problem...it's a good problem....

but....

I think Obama has brought a lot of new voters into the fray...

and we are seeing a lot of people who aren't use to this process.


At the same time, I'm ready for the nominee to be "unofficially" chosen...and I don't see Hillary having much of chance at this point.

But I don't dislike either candidate.


PS I'm typing with one hand while I eat pizza.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:01 AM
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21. There are some things that you don't choose to get upset over.
For me and maybe for people that are my age, this is one of them. It isn't as if some politician somewhere out there was murdered. It was like someone that I cared about very much was killed. And it wasn't the first time. And, it wasn't the last time, either.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:18 AM
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25. What is 'outrageous'?
'Outrageous' is telling someone their feelings are 'fake' or 'manufactured' regarding political assassinations.

For the first time in our history we have an African American who may become president, and the spectre of assassination does NOT need to be dredged up the way it was today. What Hillary Clinton did was awful.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:25 AM
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26. What she did was destructive, actively destructive. n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:26 AM
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27. Her comments were VILE and DARK. It will go down in history as SHAMEFUL. eom
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