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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:36 AM
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So, what will the fallout be from Hillary's RFK comment?
My thoughts...

Barack Obama no longer has any pressure on him to choose Hillary as V.P. He's now free to choose whoever he wants (he always was free to do so), and not have to make any excuses for not choosing Hillary.

Obama will continue to make polite remarks about Hillary, but he no longer needs to proceed as if he's in hostage negotiations. Hillary has lost her ability to bully him. She's lost her political clout.

She may still rally her supporters to protest at the May 31st Committee meeting discussion of how to resolve Florida and Michigan, but she's going to have to proceed much more cautiously in light of the fact that half the pundits on the tube have started to openly question her mental stability. Playing the 'crazy lady no one wants to cross' will be a very risky strategy.

A large part of the Democratic party is feeling like we've dodged a bullet. Better to see her meltdown now, rather than in September or October.

Forget about the Clintons staging 'civil war' at the convention to get the nomination. It's unlikely that she'll gain any more Superdelegates, and those delegates who endorsed her early may be reconsidering.

You think she had financial problems before? I can't imagine that too many large checks are being cut tonight for her campaign.

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:03 AM
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1. It will be a non-story by Monday.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:13 AM
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6. You wish.
This may not drive her from the race, but she will never recover from it.

Negatives, higher. Campaign donations, fewer. Trust and confidence, lower than ever.

She's done. Three more primaries and she's gone.

- as
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:28 AM
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8. The American public has very short attention spans.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:31 AM
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10. Heh. They fed on Wright for a month.
This is by no means going away. The media is going to eat this up with a spoon.

Those 'untrustworthy' numbers are gonna go up. Book it.

She will not recover. This is a permanent hit on her reputation and trustworthiness.

- as
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:32 AM
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11. MSM is spinning this 24/7 and making news of it -- The ratings are BIG! She's finished!
Edited on Sat May-24-08 02:33 AM by quantass
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:46 AM
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36. Not if the MSM keeps a topic in front of them by harping on it. n/t
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:14 AM
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7. I'm not so sure about that.
Whatever you think about the gaffe itself, the climate is right, and this thing is being blogged about like crazy. I've never seen a gaffe get immediate coverage like this. The way things are picking up, it's becoming clear that Hillary will have hell to pay over this. At this point in time, this was the LAST THING Hillary needed. While the gaffe was fairly bad by itself, the timing couldn't be worse for her.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:30 AM
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9. No chance -- The Media Ratings are thru the roof on this Hillary Disaster!
Its EXPLODING EVERYWHERE!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:33 AM
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12. Major networks had about 5 minutes on it.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:16 AM
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22. Out of thirty? Taking away ten minutes for commercials that means that
a quarter of their broadcast was on it.

The cable news outfits are running with it. Its all I heard on MSNBC between 4-9.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:51 AM
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15. it will be the lead on all the outlets all weekend long
nuff said
you think wright was good for hillary?now you reap the whirlwind
this will be the biggest story for a week
all the way into puerto rico i bet
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:58 AM
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16. you may be right,
but then Hillary should be grateful for the long holiday weekend.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:44 AM
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25. yeah, she got lucky with a Friday night dump on holiday weekend...
and the last day of the TV sweeps....

But, we will see. Methinks this one has some grit....
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:05 AM
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2. THIS time HRC will not be able to change the subject by claiming victimhood. It will go down
Edited on Sat May-24-08 02:05 AM by ShortnFiery
in history as an monumental gaffe. I can't predict the future but I do hope and pray that the superdelegates act SOON to end this race.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:08 AM
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3. Also, Obama is now free to pick a woman as VP
without anyone feeling that he slighted Hillary.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:10 AM
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4. Your analysis could be pretty close. She is lucky this happened right before a holiday
weekend. There is a possibility that it won't survive 3 days of people being on vacation. However, Obama's people can always hold this over her head. I do think she loses political clout now as you said.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:17 AM
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23. plus the SDs have taken note of this
and at this point it's what they think and how they vote about it that is the most important.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:18 AM
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31. There's also the possibility we will all be talking about it
Edited on Sat May-24-08 06:19 AM by Kber
at our weekend parties.
KB
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:12 AM
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5. It has created an irreconcilable wedge in the party
There are a small group of Clinton apologists that see it having no impact and of no importance.

They actually think that the reactions to her are being manufactured.

You can see it on this thread. Reconciliation is impossible with this small group of dead enders and the party must wait out a time and then brush them aside and do the business of winning the General Election. This is the Clinton legacy and her endorsement now will be seen as forced and unconvincing.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:36 AM
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13. Yep
The dead enders and Hillcult worshippers will tough it out.....until the Concrete chicklets are handed out....

I can hardly wait for this to get to the GE without her muddying the waters....Every week it's some other Jr. high school drama from the Clintons....Good riddance.

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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:36 AM
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14. This destroy's her re-election run for the Senate, let alone Presidency in the future.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:08 AM
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19. This destroys her reputation for the history books
Now they will read:

Wellesely & Yale
Moved to Arkansas where Bill became Governor
Spent her time trying to turn power into money in dubious ways (cattle futures).
Became First Lady
In over her head and failed on healthcare.
Denied and then stood by philandering husband.
Strongarmed way to senate seat.
Voted like a Republican because she thought it would help her candidacy (Iraq war, sponsored Flag Burning bill).
Ran for president - started as frontrunner because of connections, fame and money.
Started losing turned nasty - shame on you, hardworking white voters, assassination.
Returned to senate and served out her term without any impact, then retired to a strangely unhappy life of wealth.



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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:01 AM
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17. Here is what will happen. May get a little more coverage on Saturday but will fade
and because of the Sunday shows topic will come back up, but by then everyone with any intelligence will have realized that the partisans

that want blood for this are reaching and anyone with credibility will be embarrassed to try and suggest that Hillary is actively hoping

or wishing for Obama's life to end. On Tuesday if it is still hanging around it will only be from the fringe elements of the blogosphere.

The real danger will be the backlash on those pushing the idea that this was an intentional expression of intent to capitalize on

assassination fears.



Bank it.

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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:03 AM
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18. Not a word...he's much cooler than us!
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:12 AM
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20. Hillary under pressure? Not good. Better we see it now than suffer *real* buyer's remorse
And it's true she's lost any leverage to sneak in any more dog whistles on Obama - she's on notice.

Thankfully, that should put a stop to the "anything can happen" comments on the part of her campaign staff. Her shills will have to tread lightly when the MSM asks them about their options and chances for coming out ahead.

I don't know how it'll be covered in the MSM, but I know the Super D's will definitely take note...and this won't make them any more confident in crossing over for her or sticking with her.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:15 AM
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21. You make some good observations.
Her credibility is rapidly fading. She obviously needs some rest. Pulling so many strings has tired her.
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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:31 AM
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24. Here is my prediction: In the morning she will bow out and endorses
Obama. Everyone said that she will do the right thing at the end. This is the end. Hope for presidency and VP are gone now.
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:49 AM
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26. Yep!
Obama will be, is, the Democratic Party nominee. IT IS OVER, has been for months.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
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jpertello Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:29 AM
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27. And what if, just what if something DID (God forbid!) happen to Obama before the GE?
Could she stand there looking all grief stricken like the Merry Widow and think we could all vote her in? As it was I was going to be holding my nose and pulling the lever if she won the nom. Now? I couldn't do it.
Worst case scenario: Obama picked her as VP and the UNTHINKABLE happened. There she is, all LBJ, demanding to ride in AF1 because SHE is the president now.

My God. The gall of her. Yesterday I posted a picture of a vulture. Today I have a better picture. It's a tragic and award winning picture taken by Kevin Carter. After taking the photograph, Carter chased the vulture away and sat under a tree and sobbed. Neither he nor anyone else knew what happened to the child. After being widely condemned for not helping the child he later committed suicide.
We as a nation need to chase the vulture away.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:18 AM
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28. She's not gonna be VP, nor will she be able to take it to the convention.
THANK GOD!!!

Obama can now feel free to choose the VP he wants - who can blame him for not wanting Hillary on his ticket now?

And the superdelegates are going to lay the smackdown on Hillary in the next few days. Maybe tomorrow, maybe a week from now, it will be OVER! She'll be forced to concede.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:06 AM
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29. It'll be brought up again on June 5th
because that would have been the 40th Anniversary of RFK's death, and right after the end of the last primary and May 31st, when the last major rationales for her staying in this campaign would have been addressed. It's going to come up again at the worst possible time for her
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:13 AM
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30. It's on Newsday's front page this morning
Big letters - What the Hill? Two page spread inside including a photo of RFK on the floor after being shot. Newsday is a hometown paper for Hillary, being the Long Island, NY daily. Newsday endorsed her in the primary and there's about a 100% chance they'd have endorsed her in the GE had she won the nomination. People are kind of aghast, no matter what she meant by it.
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ashrob123 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:33 AM
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32. There will be no fall-out for Princess Ann
She will still be allowed to leave whenever she damn well pleases. She would have to literally dig up Obama's mother, squat over her face and piss on her for people to actually start talking about getting her out of the race in any serious matter. It is obvious to me that people are afraid of the the Clintons and resist trying to get her out of the race. This is why only people who have no intentions of running again for office (McGovern) and people who aren't afraid of being called anti-woman (Fienstein) even dare to do so. I've even heard Clinton supporters urge Obama to leave to save the party (fucking Ford).

This woman has inferred statements time and time again that are either race-baiting, fear-mongering, class-based and sexist (as far as I'm concerned) and there has been no serious push to get her the fuck out. Nobody accidentally makes this many "misstatements" without meaning them, especially someone who talks for a damn living.

This is not game changing. She will stay in and she will probably be on the VP ticket (to my extreme horror). She is the monster that never dies. (Maybe Power was right after all).

And the thing that makes me sickest about this whole thing is that if she is on the ticket I will be forced to vote for this ghoul to keep McCains crazy ass out of office.

I'm going to throw up now.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:31 AM
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33. Clinton will fall out. nt.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:38 AM
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34. Solid Gold. Your post is solid gold. Dead on.
You are right on all counts. Miss Hilly and Mister Billy holding the party hostage is over. Obama can move on now and let Hillary stew in her mess. This incident underscores that rampant ambition unfettered by conscience is not a good thing.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:46 AM
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35. Also, she might not have a place now as a major speaker at the convention. n/t
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:50 AM
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37. Just one more attack to Clinton supporters - and further alienation
That's why you'll see the "polite" comments from the Obama campaign - fear of losing very large segments of the Dem Party.

The Obama smear campaign was always a gamble.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:34 AM
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38. Massive super delegate exodus from her side...
End to any chance she had to exit gracefully...

End of reelection chances to return to her Senate seat...

The future Wiki entry for HRC will mark yesterday as the day that ended her political career.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:37 AM
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39. Hopefully, the end of her campaign and career.
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