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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:17 AM
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Some straight talk.
which will probably get me locked, but oh well.

No matter what terminology you use; lost all perspective, toxic to mental wellbeing, beyond redemption, unhinged, whatever you want to call it, this forum has lost its mind. I dislike George Bush a lot but not even I would think him capable of planning murder yet here on DU people are accusing Hillary of planning murder and may even believe it. I don't know how much worse this place can get but I don't plan to be here any more to find out.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:46 AM
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1. OK
I don't think Hillary is planning to kill Obama, BTW. However, I think it was very wrong to bring up assassination in the context she used. It was so completely unneccesary, but certainly did reflect that it was crossing her mind, several times in fact, as she has said this before. Only now are most of us hearing it for ourselves. It was either very stupid or very calculated for her to use that term when describing why she is staying in the race. Either way, I do not want someone in the WH who is either that calculating or that stupid, naive, whatever you want to call it. And if you don't believe, through the course of history, that politicians have not had people killed, I think there is a chance that you are being naive. It doesn't apply here, but it was an awful thing to say.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:19 AM
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3. I just saw that tape a few minutes ago.
Best description of DU's latest hate fest would be "Never has so much been built up about so little." Based on what I saw and heard this whole thing is ridiculous.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:37 AM
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9. Hello Cornermouse
...it's like the pounce and froth of a rabid cat.

Fauxtrage in the extreme.

I hope you don't leave. Although it would be quite understandable.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:43 AM
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11. It's hard to leave but I think I'm really going to have to.
I'm in total disbelief with what they've done with their latest invented scandal. You have to be looking for something to get angry about to find and use it. The media in the guise of ABC is also guilty. I was watching it this morning with jaw dropped in disbelief.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:06 AM
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15. You would hope for a higher standard from
DU but as TV is the main source of info for many they are easily led by the nose to the fauxtrage of the day.
It will be something else next week.
And then - when it's Obama's turn - we will here the equally high pitch frothing of the fauztrage against the fauxtrage. (If you see what i mean.) As in the media obsessed with Wright and then DUers outraged at the media obsession.
Of course in that case Obama helped out by dumping Wright. The DU frothers who formerly thought Wright a prophet and truth teller were left high and dry. They soon recovered.

Turn off the TV is my advice.
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:55 AM
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2. Um I hate to break it to you but George did plan murder.....
A whole bunch of them in fact. The Iraqi's are people too. Oddly enough you know who helped him commit those acts.


I will take Hillary at her word if she comes out and says she was not planning to assassinate Obama.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:22 AM
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4. "if she comes out and says she was not planning to assassinate Obama"
:eyes:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:30 AM
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5. I hope Hillary stays in the race, just to see the Obamites' heads blow up.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 06:30 AM by Perry Logan
Swaer to God, the Obama supporters are wound up WAY too tight for politics!

What other senator and serious White House contender would be likened by National Public Radio's political editor, Ken Rudin, to the demoniac, knife-wielding stalker played by Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction? Or described as "a fucking whore" by Randi Rhodes, one of the foremost personalities of the supposedly liberal Air America? Would Carl Bernstein (of Woodward and Bernstein fame) ever publicly declare his disgust about a male candidate's "thick ankles"? Could anybody have envisaged that a website set up specifically to oppose any other candidate would be called Citizens United Not Timid? (We do not need an acronym for that.)
...

Never before have the US media taken it upon themselves to proclaim the victor before the primary contests are over or the choice of all the super-delegates is known, and the result was that the media's tidal wave of sexism became self-fulfilling: Americans like to back winners, and polls immediately showed dramatic surges of support for Obama. A few brave souls had foreseen the merciless media campaign: "The press will savage her no matter what," predicted the Washington Post's national political correspondent, Dana Milbank, last December. "They really have their knives out for her, there's no question about it."

Here we come to the crunch. Hillary Clinton (along with her husband) is being universally depicted as a loathsome racist and negative campaigner, not so much because of anything she has said or done, but because the overwhelmingly pro-Obama media - consciously or unconsciously - are following the agenda of Senator Barack Obama and his chief strategist, David Axelrod, to tear to pieces the first serious female US presidential candidate in history.

"What's particularly saddening," says Paul Krugman, professor of economics and international affairs at Princeton and a rare dissenting voice from the left as a columnist in the New York Times, "is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the . . . way pundits and some news organisations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent." Despite widespread reporting to the contrary, Krugman believes that most of the "venom" in the campaign "is coming from supporters of Obama".

http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:35 AM
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7. If Hillary stays in the race longer than Jun.4-5, the only thing that will blow up
is political career.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:33 AM
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6. very alarming!
This is the ONLY one reacting like this! And the mods are allowing it??? WHY?

I have been to MANY, I'll tell you, IF YOU THINK HE LOST HALF THE PARTY BEFORE YESTERDAY...It's worse now. Obama is no uniter...in less than a year he RIPPED this party apart. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!
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Higher Standard Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:50 AM
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13. Your logic is dizzying, my friend.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 07:52 AM by Higher Standard
:crazy:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:38 PM
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18. i recommend putting them on ignorance
:think:
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Blondbostonian Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:08 AM
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16. Take your medication.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:51 AM
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8. I don't feel she meant that, but it was tactless considering Ted's condition.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:39 AM
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10. What does that have to do with it?
Nothing.

All this froth and fulmination is manufactured. It feels real to people because they have been told it is so.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:48 AM
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12. You don't think Bush could plan a murder?
:rofl:

He'd simply send them hunting with Dick, or have Pickles drive a car at them.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:56 AM
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14. I think you're misreading...
While there may be a few developmentally-disabled persons around here thinking that Hillary is contemplating actually murdering Barak Obama, I think what we're seeing here is outrage that a candidate would stick around in the race so long that her only remaining campaign strategy is to hope that something terrible will happen to her opponent.

Maybe it would be a gaffe of monumental proportions (ironic, no?) or maybe some last-minute dirty laundry would come to light. But unfortunately, the example that she chose to verbalize was assassination. It gives a peak into the mind of a politician so obsessed with victory at any cost, that she would actually be doing the political calculus of how she would benefit from the death of her opponent.

It's beyond unseemly. It's downright creepy.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:29 PM
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17. Yes, I agree; also
that a candidate would say that, could possibly give the idea to an unstable person that doing the unspeakable to Obama would give Hillary the nomination. There are quite likely to be minions out there that would be willing to do such a thing, and a statement like that could be the impetus. And for the person telling us to turn off the TV, I was on the net, saw the story HERE, and then found a video of her saying this. I am quite capable of critical thinking, and I think what was said was WRONG, and shows me a person that has no need to be Obama's VP, much less the President. This anger is very real, the Clintons' have rubbed many people the wrong way far too many times, and this was apparently the curtain call for a circus act of a campaign.
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