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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:20 PM
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a year and a half ago Hillary blasted Kerry
For an obvious gaffe with his botched joke. She was all over Kerry like a wet fart on a pair of satin undies. She went public and demanded Kerry apologize to the troops for demeaning them. Kerry had no reason to apologize for raking Shrub over the coals. Now, she makes a statement for the 3rd time about RFK getting killed and she wants us to "put it in context." Screw that. Her hypocrisy knows no bounds. Maybe, just maybe if she had backed Kerry 2 years ago or for that matter, not tried to exploit Obama's "cling to" remarks, many of us would be willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Karma's a bitch!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:21 PM
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1. If she'd backed Kerry, she wouldn't be running NOW.
That's our gal!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:07 AM
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106. That's what I've been thinking since 2004.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:22 PM
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2. She has no problem publically exploiting anyone that dare gets in her way.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:22 PM
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3. She helped Kerry get defeated so she could run in 2008
Theres a good reason why Kerry came out early for Obama.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:33 PM
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14. I do believe that's true. Sad, but true.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:39 PM
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18. YES! She helped Kerry get defeated so she could run in 2008
At the time I couldn't help but notice he got no support from the Clintons.
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:26 AM
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87. More delusion....
from the Obamaniacs. "She helped Kerry get defeated so she could run in 2008"

How short are their memories? Kerry lost because he was a limp noodle who refused to fight, and gave up on us. Same as Gore.
Obama fans here at DU, are positive that HRC's support across the country is reflected by what they read and write here on the new ObamaUnderground. It is not, but unfortunately, they won't find out, or face that fact until it's far too late, and when the GE does not reflect the delusional reality they have fashioned for themselves, they'll blame it on the HRC voters, who after being demonized, called names, and dismissed as unnecessary by Obama's fans, will feign shock because they won't have the capability to understand why it's not a Democratic landslide. We gave that chance up when half the Democratic Party lost any sense of logic they may have once had. Just like the Republican Party, as long as there is a Clinton around, they have a built in excuse for their own failures. Thanks.
quickesst
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:20 AM
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110. Kerry won - the DNC (Clinton's DNC) refused to secure the election process after 2000s theft
leading to the increase in theft tactics by the RNC that gained control of the election process at every level where the votes are allowed, cast and counted.

The DNC sat on their hands for four years while the RNC controlled election process in most states, including crucial states like Florida and Ohio - refusing to counter or even confront them on their exercise of that control.

McAuliffe's DNC did nothing but allow the collapse of state party infrastructures in all the states they wanted to see Bush win - protecting 2008 for a Hillary run.

The sabotage of Kerry throughout that campaign came from everyone close to Clintons and the Clintons themselves, when Bill used his entire HIGH PROFILE 3 week book tour in the summer of 2004 to highlight his support of Bush on his terrorism and Iraq war decisions from the very criticisms Kerry was leveling against Bush at the time.

Kerry won - the RNC stole that election for Bush =- and the Clinton loyalists at the DNC watched them do it for the entire four years after 200s theft.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:22 PM
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4. Did she attack Huckabee when he made the assasination joke about Obama?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:23 PM
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5. No?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:24 PM
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8. I certainly didn't hear anything. If she did, I'd love links.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:15 PM
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114. Hillary doesn't attack republicans
notice?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:23 PM
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6. It would appear that she took notes.
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:25 PM
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9. of course not
Attacking a specific republican isn't in her playbook. She can attack rethug policies without specifics, and that is enough for her supporters.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:44 PM
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48. She was too busy forming her own 3rd "assassination"
reference.
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:23 PM
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7. She always has stepped up when it's time to
ridicule Dems, but offers faint condemnation of rethugs.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:25 PM
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10. And Schadenfreude is not a crime.
While I don't really see anything all that sinister in her ill-advised remarks, after the gross piling on by the Hillary supporters over Obama and the bittergate kerfuffle, I am enjoying watching them whine little prissy little delicate babies over Her Royal Perfectioness getting the same treatment.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:26 PM
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11. Bingo!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:28 PM
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12. But Kerry didn't get a benefit of the doubt
while the Hillbots are DEMANDING those who were hurt the most by her words, words that have been spoken on multiple occasions, give her the benefit of the doubt.

These are the same people who refused to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.

Well to HELL WITH THAT.

HILLARY CLINTON HAS REVEALED WHAT TRULY EXISTS IN THE DARKEST RECESSES OF HER TWISTED SOUL!

As Keith Olbermann so eloquently put it last night:

We have forgiven you your insistence that there have been widespread calls for you to end your campaign, when such calls had been few. We have forgiven you your misspeaking about Martin Luther King's relative importance to the Civil Rights movement.

We have forgiven you your misspeaking about your under-fire landing in Bosnia.

We have forgiven you insisting Michigan's vote wouldn't count and then claiming those who would not count it were Un-Democratic.

We have forgiven you pledging to not campaign in Florida and thus disenfranchise voters there, and then claim those who stuck to those rules were as wrong as those who defended slavery or denied women the vote.

We have forgiven you the photos of Osama Bin Laden in an anti-Obama ad...

We have forgiven you fawning over the fairness of Fox News while they were still calling you a murderer.

We have forgiven you accepting Richard Mellon Scaife's endorsement and then laughing as you described his "deathbed conversion."

We have forgiven you quoting the electoral predictions of Boss Karl Rove.

We have forgiven you the 3 a.m. Phone Call commercial.

We have forgiven you President Clinton's disparaging comparison of the Obama candidacy to Jesse Jackson's.

We have forgiven you Geraldine Ferraro's national radio interview suggesting Obama would not still be in the race had he been a white man.

We have forgiven you the dozen changing metrics and the endless self-contradictions of your insistence that your nomination is mathematically probable rather than a statistical impossibility.

We have forgiven you your declaration of some primary states as counting and some as not.

We have forgiven you exploiting Jeremiah Wright in front of the editorial board of the lunatic-fringe Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

We have forgiven you exploiting William Ayers in front of the debate on ABC.

We have forgiven you for boasting of your "support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans"...

We have even forgiven you repeatedly praising Senator McCain at Senator Obama's expense, and your own expense, and the Democratic ticket's expense.

But Senator, we cannot forgive you this.


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:29 PM
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13. Here's Hillary defending ..?
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. Yes, - even McCain's response
was positive, while Hillary
teamed with bush.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:34 PM
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29. Ok, I gotta call you on that. How did Hillary "team with bush" in that clip? Please, tell me.
Hillary says it was inappropriate but that we can't let this divert us from the upcoming election.

Bush praised the troops and said Kerry owed them an apology.

Not the same. Not even close.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:56 PM
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35. Because she knew he was a serious threat to her 08 candidacy
Edited on Sat May-24-08 04:58 PM by politicasista
The joke was one of the factors in Kerry's decision not to run in 08. It effectively took him out of the running so that she and others would have a chance to run.

Out of all the words to so-called defend a good dem, she chose the word inappropriate, which made it seemed like he actually insulted the troops rather than joking about Bush.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:48 PM
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50. Karma IS a Bitch..hilary effectively took
Edited on Sat May-24-08 05:51 PM by zidzi
herself outta the 2008 primary against Obama.

That Kerry stab in the back may have seemed like a good idea for a long time but guess what? The chickenshithawk has come home to ROOST.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:49 PM
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51. Exactly!
:thumbsup: :hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:52 PM
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53. Howzit, politicasista!
B-) :hi:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:57 PM
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56. Good!
How are you doing? Man I can't wait for this primary season to be over and Obama to get his nominee crown. :bounce:

:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:04 PM
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57. Yeah, he's gonna deserve one
nominee crown..that's for real. :bounce: :patriot: :kick: :party: :hi:

I'm like the little green man:)
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:05 PM
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58. That's cool!
:bounce: :party: :patriot: :hi:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #29
45. Just an observation, Hillary had a hostile tone of voice...
Whereas McCain's comments were very soft-spoken.


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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:21 PM
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64. that's the way it was, exactly. eom.
peace~
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #16
60. an example of the 'experience' ..
she brags about.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:50 PM
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22. WOW okay now I am pissed
Hillary - "Senator Kerry's comments were inappropriate"
McCain - "We can move on"


McCain offered nicer words to Kerry over it then HILLARY. Shameful.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:51 PM
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33. McCain said Kerry should apologize. Hillary refused to say that.


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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:05 AM
Response to Reply #13
79. I can only vaguely recall that inciden, but it sure hammers a (silver) nail in her political coffin!
Elsewhere on this Board, I had suggested that we all heed the words of Obama and let it pass. In consideration of all the Hillary supporters here, I still think that's a good idea. The quicker we can mend this fissure, the better. November comes in less than 6 months, and there's absolutely NO leeway for failure this year. 2012 or later, would be FAR too late!

But save that YouTube clip, and post it whenever absolutely necessary (Just the URL alone, no extraneous text would be needed.)

pnorman
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:35 PM
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15. Hillary wanted to knock Kerry out as a potential rival
that's why she joined the GOP pile on on Kerry's botched joke.

That woman is shameless!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:48 PM
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70. Kerry did a good job
knocking himself out.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:24 AM
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86. Really?
Any complaints about what he did in the years since the election? Not to mention that if Kerry went into the election with the kind of party structure Obama has now (thanks Dr. Dean!) as opposed to a DNC headed by a certain McAuliffe (familiar with him? he pops up a lot on the TV screen nowadays, what is his current job again?) the outcome would most likely been very different. Connect the dots, if you are willing to see them.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:05 PM
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115. The same poster smeared Uncle Ted
Edited on Sun May-25-08 04:08 PM by politicasista
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #70
94. Hillary's giving him a run for his money on that.
:rofl:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #70
111. Yeah? Kerry asked Carville to sabotage Ohio Dem voters on election night, too? Or was Carville
working for Hillary2009 on Nov 2, 2004?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:37 PM
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17. Hillary habitually slimes people and when she gets criticized
it's suddenly not fair. :eyes:
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:37 AM
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74. No kidding...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:43 AM
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76. not fair because
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:45 PM
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19. Really good point. I forgot about that.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 03:47 PM by democrattotheend
I said last night that I would hate to see her be so damaged by one comment and used Kerry's joke as an example. But I completely forgot that she was so quick to pile on Kerry when he made that joke. I have a lot less sympathy for her now.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:44 PM
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49. oh I'll never forget it dtte
it was minutes before the '06 midterms and she had already launched into the '08 presidential bid-she didn't even give us a week to celebrate our victories-selfish fuckers that they are and all....
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:50 PM
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52. That was just one more reason not to support
hilary for the nomination in 2008..it was dirty and it was mean.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:32 AM
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88. It was also telling
of the kind of person she is. Also, as a reminder, democrats that were actually running at the time spoke in defense of Kerry. The names I remember, off the top of my head, are Bob Cassey, Webb, and Patrick Murphy (Iraq vet). But Hillary thought it was a good time to come out and "defend the troops".
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:47 PM
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20. K&R
Edited on Sat May-24-08 03:51 PM by politicasista
She was all over Kerry like a wet fart on a pair of satin undies.


:rofl: :thumbsup:


She knew that he didn't insult the troops. He was talking about Bush, but we knew where her political instincts were that day. :grr:
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:50 PM
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23. I stole that line
Here in Tulsa, we have a DJ that plays a redneck character called Roy D Mercer. He's real popular and has CD's and stuff. He said that on the air one time and I have always thought it was classic.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. I have heard of Roy D Mercer
He is funny. Always talking about whipping arse. :rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #23
54. Well, ya have to thank DJ/Roy D Mercer then..'cause
that describes hilary to an F.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. I had the opposite reaction
yuck. :thumbsdown: Go back to analogy school :spank:
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:43 PM
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61. that's just a.. gross simile
but

Will Sistani end the war in Iraq?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSgAG2tO7EU



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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:50 PM
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21. Ayup.
:thumbsup:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:21 PM
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25. THANKS for reminding us of Hillary's "support"
for a fellow Democrat who really did make a gaffe. I remember how shocked and disgusted I was with her at the time. x(
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:25 PM
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27. BULLSHIT. SHE DID NOT DEMAND HE APOLOGIZE. YOU ARE W-R-O-N-G.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 04:28 PM by Skip Intro

But that won't stop you, will it?


And she wasn't all over him, she said we needed to move past the dustup and focus on winning seats in the approaching election.

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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:33 PM
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28. You obviously didn't watch that video clip
Tell me who was more on Kerry's side, McCain or Hillary? Kerry was interfering with her 2008 plans just like Obama is now interfering with her 2012 plans.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:38 PM
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30. Yes I did, and she DID NOT call for Kerry to apologize. It just didn't happen, isn't there.
What are you guys drinking?

Both McCain and Bush called on Kerry to apologize.

Hillary said the remark by Kerry was inappropriate, but that we Dems can't let it divert our attention from the upcoming elections.

Even Kerry himself said he misspoke.


How can you see something that isn't there?
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Are you also in favor of the gas tax holiday?
Just trying to figure out how much of the Hillary Kool-Aid you've been drinking. :rofl:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. LOL! Facts don't support you so you divert. S.O.P. eh?
:eyes:
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:59 PM
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36. Just an honest question
Do you support the gas tax holiday? What's the matter? Why are you scared to answer? :rofl:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:08 PM
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37. Now what would I be scared of? Btw, happy first month on DU! Mabye you'll learn something.
Hopefully you'll learn to stay on topic and that most DUers don't fall for childish taunts. One other thing you might learn is that slapping a smilie at the end of your post really lends it no credibility.

Back to the subject at hand, how did Hillary, who refused to demand Kerry apologize, do him harm when repukes like McCain and bush were saying he should apologize?

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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. The REAL subject at hand
is how far will you go to defend Hillary. You'll excuse her assassination comments, but will you excuse her gas tax pandering?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:28 PM
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42. Wow, five smilies. Guess we'd better take you seriously huh? The problem you have is -
your argument re: Hillary stabbing Kerry in the back while McCain was kinder was bullshit, you got called on it, and like the typical Obama attack dog, you sought to divert and misdirect and change the subject as fast as possible so that nobody would notice your failure. But diversion is a cheap tactic, one that I won't fall for, and most DUers won't fall for, and it really only highlights your failure, rather than obscures it.

And as much fun as this is, I have some duties in reality (you may have to look that word up) that demand my attention, so I won't be seeing your reply with twenty smilies taking the place of a valid argument.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:32 PM
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43. "Tell me who was more on Kerry's side, McCain or Hillary?"
How dare I use my own post against your logic! :rofl:

Yeah, that's what I wrote. "Tell me who was more on Kerry's side, McCain or Hillary?" How is this the same as saying, "Hillary stabbing Kerry in the back?" Feel kind of dumb now, don't you? :rofl:

"(you may have to look that word up)": Suck it. :rofl:
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:04 PM
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62. CAPITALIZED WORDS, and then some OTHER capitalized WORDS!!
:rofl:

NGU.


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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:26 PM
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41. Hillary supporter citing experience
Edited on Sat May-24-08 05:27 PM by hokies4ever
"happy first month of DU"

Drinking the Hillary Kool-Aid indeed. Tell Hillary to take her gas tax pandering and assassination dreaming some place else! :rofl: :rofl:
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:41 PM
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46. Please don't go away :-)
I really need some more lectures from a 5-year vet of dem' here DU boards. :rofl:

Oh, are you still pissed that Hillary got blown out in South Carolina? Another Hillary Kool-Aid test for you: Was Slick Willie out of line with his Jesse Jackson comments in South Carolina? :rofl:




:rofl: (just for you :patriot:)
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:45 PM
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32. She could have said "no comment" and/or instead, talk up Kerry's....
Edited on Sat May-24-08 04:52 PM by politicasista
record of supporting veterans and millitary families. But she didn't.
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Hola Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:22 AM
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80. Sure sounds like it

"Hillary said the remark by Kerry was inappropriate"

I guess inappropriate remarks don't warrant in apology. In what world is that?
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:10 PM
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38. It's sexist to give her an easier treatment than the boys.
She always plays up her victim hood then turns around and attacks.
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:41 AM
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75. Yep. For a second time in this thread...
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wildflowergardener Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:12 PM
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39. Kerry
Edited on Sat May-24-08 05:13 PM by mbergen
I was thinking, yesterday after all this happened, about how she used Kerry's gaffe to her advantage and being a bit glad to be honest that she will now see what it's like when someone jumps all over one of her comments - as she did to get Kerry out of the race. That is still the one reason why I will never support her. I still feel that what she said was worse - What Kerry said was obviously a mistake as he'd said the proper joke several times and it was written out correctly in the script of what he was supposed to say.

She knew it wasn't what he meant and still she went after him to get him out of the race. While I can't be sure what she said was what she meant or not, from what I've seen of how desperate she is to get to the presidency I can't help but wonder and feel it probably wasn't a mistake in her case as she'd already said it a few times before, unlike Kerry. It just made me see she would do anything, step over anyone to get to the presidency, and makes me think she would maybe make Obama lose on purpose so that she could run again in 2012. I hate to think that about a person, but her past actions seem to point in that direction.

Meg
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:56 AM
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96. I remember that
she first schemed to put Kerry on the defensive by twisting his arm to vote with her for the Iraqi war, by insisting that he vote against the Iraq War, "at his own peril." I hope some DUer could corroborate this.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:42 PM
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47. Karma's not the only Bitch.
Oh,did I say something wrong?
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:39 PM
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65. Evidently..
When I called her one in a post yesterday, it was deleted! Gotta be careful of pissing off the Hilbots, or they wont vote Democratic in Nov. don't cha know ???????????
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:55 PM
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55. K & R. Personally, I'd like to see AG Kerry. eom
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. Jonathan Turley
is my dream Ag choice
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Barb in Atl Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. Wow!!!
I'd been thinking Edwards, but Turley would have Bush & friends moving out of the country!

Just wow. I love that idea.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:53 PM
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67. WE should be so lucky!!!!
I cheer every time I see him on KO
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:39 AM
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90. Ding ding ding ding ding!!!!!!
Turley would be PERFECT! and he's a republican.

Barack could boast a bi-partisan cabinate!

(brilliant- wish i'd thought of that)
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:04 AM
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99. Bingo!
Edwards, VP, Turley for AG, Richardson for Sect'y of State, or any combination thereof.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:44 PM
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66. YES! I remember. Hillary influenced swing voters away from Kerry
Edited on Sat May-24-08 10:45 PM by Mimosa
Little did we know she had a plan for him to lose so she could run. I didn't see it at the time. I thought if Hillary was against him she must know something I didn't.

I also got fooled by Hillary's vote for the war in Iraq. I thought if she was willing to vouch for Bush, she knew some inside intelligence info re: the imminent threat.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:04 PM
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68. That particular episode turned me against her
As I recall, it was the final straw.

She had made several statements that infuriated the progressive community even before that.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:19 PM
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69. That was only about 4 years ago....

and I swear Clinton looks about 20 years younger in that video!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:36 AM
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89. Actually less than 2 years
late October 06, less than a couple of weeks before the midterm elections.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:12 AM
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101. Thanks for the correction...


She's aging even faster than I thought
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:50 PM
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71. I agree. I am recommending this because she did stab Senator Kerry in the back.
Now, because it is Hillary, we are all suppose to just "understand it was a gaffe said because she is tired. I say BS. Senator Kerry did not deserve the harsh treatment he received for what amounted to nothing more than a missing word.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:16 AM
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72. K and R
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:42 AM
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73. I couldn't believe her comment at the time. She should
have come to Kerry's defense and said that it was all a bunch of nonsense. The facts were out there about the original script, and she knew it. Can't forgive her for that one. I "got it" though...she was positioning herself for '08.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:43 AM
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77. Another example of her being hoisted by her own Petard
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:52 AM
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78. OMG!
"She was all over Kerry like a wet fart on a pair of satin undies!?!?!?!?!!!!!"

OMG!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

u2spirit - :yourock:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:39 AM
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81. Jane Hamsher had some good commentary on that
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/why-is-hillary-clinton-ta_b_33076.html

I can see we're going to have to set up some sort of "Democratic PR school" soon. They've become so accustomed to being George Bush's whipping posts they no longer recognize it when they have the advantage, and as the John Kerry incident demostrates they are in sore need of a few remedial lessons on how to press it when they do.

First of all — I don't care if John Kerry was eating live babies on TV, one week out from an election you do not repeat GOP talking points. Ever. It makes you look like a big wuss who can't stand up to the Republicans, even when they're playing from an exceptionally weak hand on an issue you own. For all those anxious to be seen as the tough defenders of national security, huddling in a crouch position while they pummel you about the head and bleating "yes, yes, we deserve this" does not have the best optics.

<snip>

Secondly — did I mention that the Democrats own the issue of Iraq? Even the WSJ acknowledges it is the #1 factor influencing people's votes this election. If the Republicans want to bring it up, that's a perfect opportunity to pivot and attack:

Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton seems to be taking her political cues from Rush Limbaugh at a wholly inopportune time. You expect Rush, who evaded military service thanks to a large boil on his butt, to defend fellow draft dodger George Bush by castigating Viet Nam war hero Kerry. But why does Hillary Clinton have to jump into the Sista Souljah business?


Clinton is not the only offender here. Lots of Dems need more backbone.

http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/15/note-to-elizabeth-edwards-lay-off-moveon

You're a smart woman. You of all people should know about the asymmetrical intimidation problem that Paul Krugman talks about -- the one where the media is afraid to go after Rudy Guiliani for claiming he's a rescue worker, but they'll try to demolish your husband over a haircut because they know that they'll get swarmed by the right wing noise machine for the former and pay no price for the latter. That's how it works.

So I was really disappointed today to read at Taylor Marsh's place that you had joined with Diaper Dave Vitter and John "McCarthy" McCain to attack MoveOn. We (and by that I mean the netroots) defend you when the MSM try to make your campaign a pinata over stupid, insignificant stuff. When they try to say your race should end because of your illness, but don't say squat about Fred Thompson's lymphoma. We're your first line of defense, the only messaging machine that progressives have.

So here's the rule. You never repeat right wing talking points to attack your own, ever. You never enter that echo chamber as a participant. Ever. You never give them a hammer to beat the left with. Just. Don't. Do. It.

The war is a desperate mess. When offered the opportunity to cudgel your own side, you pivot and attack. How about, "glad you mentioned that...I think an ad is about as relevant to George Bush's growing collection of toe tags as a haircut is to the problems facing this country." Or, "thanks for the opportunity to discuss this, Chris. I personally would not choose the word "betrayal" to characterize General Petraeus's lack of judgment or skewing of the facts to perpetuate the war, but I do think we should be looking at the fact that this was the bloodiest summer ever in Iraq and asking ourselves if the assessment we're being given about the situation is realistic..."

There are any number of ways you can answer that question well and none of them involve attacking MoveOn.


And that goes for people who are pissed off at Clinton also, never mind the justification. Just fucking delete Shillary, Shrillary, Billary and all the other terms of wingnut origin. Don't EVER use rightwing whackjob frames, memes or pet words. JUST. DON'T. DO. IT!




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jerryster Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #81
104. Agreed
In truth, I've probably been angrier about Hillary giving The Repubs material for ads in the GE than anything else. There will be ads for mcCain with HER in them making the Repub talking points. And, sadly, I think the ads will be effective. I'm just glad McKinnon quit the campaign. Maybe Mccain's next media guy won't be as effective.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:17 AM
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82. and people are actually stupid enough to think the backstabber "deserves" to be VP
the sooner that POS is history, an obscure footnote, the happier I will be. I am so sick of the Clintons and their little melodramas and scheming and plotting I could scream. And her Operation KKKaos, DLC corporate ass-kissing Republican fake "Democrat" fake "feminist" "supporters" can kiss my bitter old hard-working white woman ass. She needs to start a new party for all the traitorous, disruptive pot-banging POS crybaby whiners to defect to.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:53 AM
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83. This about says it all.
Her behavior has become far too 'Republican' for my tastes.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:01 AM
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84. She threw Kerry under the bus
It was all about getting rid of another potential presidential candidate for 2008. Karma is indeed a bitch.
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:11 AM
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85. I bet she wishes Kerry was still in the race
instead of O. As usual, she can't seethe forest for the trees.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:24 AM
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112. Nope - Kerry would have had her sliced and diced by the third debate. There was no way she could've
controlled ANY debate on stage with him. He had his chops down and would've made her look far more unprepared and inaccurate than anyone else did at that early stage of the primaries.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:40 AM
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91. Karma? Methinks so. nt
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:57 AM
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92. Goes further back. If she and her husband had backed GORE.... karma x2 is a bitch.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:04 AM
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93. She who lives by the sword.
What a despicable human being. I'm so glad she is toast.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:11 AM
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95. she is a total hack.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:58 AM
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97. What goes around comes around Hillary (nt)
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:59 AM
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98. As I have told the RW nutjobs at my workplace, the Clintons are the
best Republicans they are likely to see in their lifetimes. Yes, I voted for Bill twice, even tho some of his policies made me sick (NAFTA, Telecom bill), because I know the Pubs would be so much worse -- as was proven in the last 7 years of Monkeyboy's reign. A moderate Pub is better than a radical killer Pub, but they're both still Pubs. The Clintons' ous tepid support (and sometimes outright dissing of) supposedly fellow Dems (Gore in his run, Kerry and his botched joke) only cemented my sense that the Clintons are not, in a real sense, Democrats.

This is what we get when we devolve from a true two-party system into a corporate-controlled fakey "contest." It's so obvious now that I'm surprised anyone disputes the idea. In another 20 years, if this keeps up, there will literally be NO difference in the candidates.

Both Clintons, in this race, feel perfectly OK about using Pub tactics to win, even if the Dem party is destroyed in the process. That's because they were NEVER DEMS.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:48 AM
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108. I do the same thing at my workplace.
I have to clean up a lot of gray matter from their heads exploding. They can't really argue because you can throw at them:

WTO
NAFTA
Welfare Reform
Telecom Bill
Banking Deregulation
Balanced Budget
Budget Surpluses

Name me one Republican president with accomplishments of this magnitude? They argue that these things passed because of the Republican controlled Congress. OK, then why haven't we seen anything of this magnitude while the Repblicans controlled the White House and the Congress? Especially the balanced budgets and surpluses?

That's when you need protection from the brain explosions.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:08 AM
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109. Funny, though, how their heads explode one day, but the next day,
they're back in there with their talking points, isn't it? I have to say, tho, that even the craziest fundies don't say much about Monkeyboy anymore, and I haven't heard one peep about how godly it is for him to send us 'rebates.' I still hear about how wunnerful Reagan was, even tho he was a befuddled disaster, too. There's no teachin' a lot of these morons. They'll go to their graves thinking they fought the good fight, even as their kids starve and the world falls down around their ears.

I will have to add some of those Clinton accomplishments to my repertoire -- I'd forgotten about WTO, and for some reason I haven't mentioned the balanced budget and surpluses. I guess I have been around long enough that budget sanity has long been the realm of real Dems, and Pubs have been the big spenders. I know that Pubs are supposed to be fiscal conservatives, but they haven't been that way since, Jeez, Goldwater or so, so I have no idea why that meme still flies with Pubs after 50 years of the opposite. But you're right, it does.

In my meanest moments, I hope to witness a lot of these coworkers grubbing in their yards for weeds to eat. We're talking about people who are so physically lazy they complain about our yearly fire drill, where we have to go down a few stairs and walk two blocks to a parking lot. I have nothing but contempt for them.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:10 AM
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100. Sometimes when I'm just sitting around thinking about the political landscape
I get to wondering if it's all not just a big dog and pony circus put on for the benefit (?) of the American love for drama and entertainment, you know?

This guy says this nasty thing, that guy retaliates and says that nasty thing, prompting the other guy to say something even more nasty, the Media get all hyped up about it, Americans go apeshit, and it's one big show.

I get to wondering this because I remember years ago seeing a bunch of lawyers in action in a courtroom. Two lawyers fighting it out (without actual fisticuffs) in the courtroom, hurling the most outrageous invectives allowable in a courtroom setting, and then...

there they are at lunch, laughing and joking like the best of pals.


Like it's all just a big production and We The People are the audience.


So that's why I wonder just how much of what these politicians hurl at each other, especially during primary/campaign seasons, is mostly scripted lines played for the audience....us.


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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:30 AM
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102. wet fart on a pair of satin undies.
I so didnt need that visual
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:38 AM
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103. K & R
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YourUniqueDemocrat Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:56 AM
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105. Do you have the exact words Hillary had about Kerry's joke?
I don't see any links or quotes, but people seem to be taking your word for it.

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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:39 AM
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113. A few seconds on YouTube
will take you to the video.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:17 AM
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107. This is a legitimate complaint
I'm always happy when someone says something SENSIBLE, instead of running around screaming crazy bs.
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