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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:40 PM
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On The Road: Clinton's Very Bad Day
The NYTimes has a fascinating tick-tock of Clinton on the campaign trail as the RFK story was exploding yesterday.

Friday might have been one of the worst days of Senator Hillary Clinton’s political career. Her campaign, as everyone knows, was already struggling. But on Friday, she made a reference to Bobby Kennedy’s assassination _ a terrible choice of phrase in a presidential campaign that features an African-American candidate.

Opponents seized on it, and even if they misconstrued it, she may have reduced further her seemingly slim chances of capturing the nomination.

We had a front-row seat to this very strange day, and we want to describe the whole thing for you because it says a lot about the state of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, about the media and about politics in the Internet age.


Worth the read.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/on-the-road-clintons-very-bad-day/

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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:47 PM
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1. whoa...
Edited on Sat May-24-08 09:49 PM by ErinBerin84
"For the first question, she called on a man with a toddler asleep on his shoulder. The man delivered an unexpected rant about President Bill Clinton’s having pardoned several Puerto Rican nationalists in 1999. He suggested that Mr. Clinton pardoned them so that Puerto Ricans in New York would vote for Mrs. Clinton for Senate in her 2000 campaign"


Would have liked to have seen the answer to that one.


and the reader comment to the article...

"Just as Hillary has changed from the belligerent candidate (flanked by Albright & Clark), to the feminist candidate (New Hampshire), to the negative candidate, to the populist candidate candidate (Penn & Indiana), to the champion of voters right’s (FL & MI), people’s impressions of her have changed from revulsion at the pro-war candidate, to head-shaking at the incompetent campaign manager, to grudging admiration of the feisty fighter, to pity for the sore loser. This has been the best free show on network and cable TV this year. Stay tuned for the next episode."
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:49 PM
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5. The Clintons Pardons are just a tiny fraction of what has gone unvetted with both Bill & Hillary
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:06 PM
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29. Yeah, too bad hilary's not getting paid to be a
Survivor contestant instead of running for office.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:10 PM
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32. as much as KO is hated by people
Edited on Sat May-24-08 10:10 PM by ErinBerin84
I remember him saying recently that one appealing thing about Hillary Clinton (as much as people say that her campaign has suffered from lack of steady message) is that she is able to effectively change her image and shift the goalposts so many times, and a lot of the public does go with it. I remember when she first started campaigning for Ohio. My dad called me up and asked what was new, and I was like "Uh, Hillary Clinton is a populist now, apparently." Soap opera is a good description.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:23 PM
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41. I love Keith Olbermann and I hate
what hilary is doing to our country by her lies.
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:47 PM
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46. "...KO is hated by people."
Not hated by this "people" ... please qualify.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:52 PM
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47. lol. I love Keith.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 10:54 PM by ErinBerin84
I guess what I really meant, but didn't want to say explicitly, was...hated by Hillary Clinton supporters. That despite his (fair, in my opinion) dislike of Hillary Clinton's tactics , he made a fair and objective point that, as twisted as it is, her ability to shift images is appealing to some people. In my mind, it's more unsettling and disingenuous, but I guess he means from a strategic standpoint.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:22 AM
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62. Once reputable blogs like Kos, Huffpo, Americablog are now reviled by..
Hillary supporters because those blogs have spoken out against Hillary, usually with her own words. It's the same thing with Keith Olberman. He's still our only real voice on TV but they don't like him because he keeps quoting her when she screws up.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:02 AM
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68. Olbermann is hated mostly by FOX noooze and thier fans.....
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:47 AM
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65. I've called her a political windsock.
She has morphed into whatever was politically expedient her whole adult life. I would've had a lot more respect for her had she remained Hillary Rodham and kicked Bill to the curb for his mortifying dalliance with Monica and others throughout their marriage.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:38 PM
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77. Love KO.
Hate Fox News.

This is consistent because I am a proud, Liberal Democrat.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone



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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:44 PM
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45. LOL,. she's been voted off of the island
Hillary has been out-witted, out-lasted, out-played.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:47 PM
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2. Good find, thanks! eom
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:48 PM
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3. Well, I thought it was fascinating, anyways,
Guess not.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:55 PM
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10. It was very intersting - anything on a Saturday night is a gamble lol
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:57 PM
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14. I agree. I read the whole thing.
It was very interesting, thanks for posting it.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:00 PM
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18. my favorite part is that the backdrop of everything was a grocery store
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:14 PM
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34. I thought it was interesting, thanks.
Did you read the only comment posted?

Just as Hillary has changed from the belligerent candidate (flanked by Albright & Clark), to the feminist candidate (New Hampshire), to the negative candidate, to the populist candidate candidate (Penn & Indiana), to the champion of voters right’s (FL & MI), people’s impressions of her have changed from revulsion at the pro-war candidate, to head-shaking at the incompetent campaign manager, to grudging admiration of the feisty fighter, to pity for the sore loser. This has been the best free show on network and cable TV this year. Stay tuned for the next episode.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:48 PM
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4. One way to end her "bad days" ... she can get out.
That was a story of campaign in it's last days .... she is not talking to
the press that is traveling w/ her?????

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:50 PM
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6. I must have missed the part where "opponents seized on" her RFK reference--
Obama was classy and low-key about it, and I don't know if McCain even commented on it.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:52 PM
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8. yeah, didn't really get that part either
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:56 PM
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11. I know an Obama spokesman made a statement
which was, as you said, low-key.

I was reading TPM yesterday, and Greg Sargeant posted something that made it sound like the Obama campaign was in full-throated cry complaining about it!

The Obama campaign is criticizing Hillary for invoking the assassination of RFK while explaining why she's staying in the presidential race.


I was thinking, WTF? I have no idea how TPM got to that particular conclusion.

But I digress. NYT is technically correct - the O campaign did 'seize upon it,' but it was the typical Obama campaign response - level-headed and not giving in to hyperbole.

Giving in to hyperbole is the NYT's job, from the look of it.

- as
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:00 PM
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17. Greg Sargeant absolutely SUCKS when it comes to his headlines and story choice
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:03 PM
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21. I agree with you.
His commenters regularly roast him for it. that's entertinament! :D

- as
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:09 PM
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30. Glad you brought that up...that struck me
as being totally fictionallized by katherine squeally who never gave Al Gore a break.

What were we suppose to do..roll over and have hilary say "sit"?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:52 PM
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7. Great read. It' sinteresting to read how things unfold,
and how it's seen by those close to the candidates.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:55 PM
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9. Eeek. I kind of feel bad for her.
:(
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:58 AM
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67. Hillary feels bad.
Hillary should feel bad. She should feel so bad that she has no choice but to realize she has lost the race, apologize, and bow out.

It's called a conscience.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:34 PM
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74. LOVE your username- brilliant!! nt
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:57 PM
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12. Interesting read, thanks for posting it
All in all, a sympathetic article while giving details to which we are usually not privy.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:57 PM
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13. poor poor Hillary, no one else matters but poor old Hillary. Blame her victims.
lets all give her some sympathy,

:sarcasm:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:13 PM
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33. Poor poor little disprited hilary who
took a mace and bloodied up the landscape but wants victim points for missing her mark.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:59 PM
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50. OT but I laugh out loud every time I see that toon in your posts...
it is so on the mark both for the Clinton campaign and for some of her supporters here on DU!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:07 PM
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53. I feel so sorry for Hillary the millionaire ....NOT.
:evilgrin:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:59 PM
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15. Very interesting
It sounds as if she was truly hurt that people took exception with her assasination comments.

I still cannot forgive her...
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:57 PM
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49. It's difficult to ascertain if
Hillary's "truly hurt" is truly truly hurt. I think that depends on her personality du Jour.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:59 PM
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16. kicked
good find. I think the fact that she hadn't talked to the press cadre in a week is very telling...
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:02 PM
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19. Yeah, sounds like they're in 'wind-down' mode.
Either that or they've jettisoned press relations entirely.

When a campaign gets into an adversary relationship with the media, it's never a good sign.

- as
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:04 PM
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24. Yep. Just dig up Nixon and ask him....
:rofl:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:02 PM
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20. Very interesting! Thanks for posting.
Recommended.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:03 PM
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22. So, there's proof that she lied to get out of
taking responsibility for herself, once again.

Her story is and she's sticking to it..She said it that way because Ted Kennedy was on her mind lately but that doesn't take into account why she said 3 times before?

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:04 PM
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23. Hillary Clinton has turned the election into a soap opera/reality show.
I can't stand the woman, but she certainly does make things entertaining. She manages to make everything all about her, and she does terrible villainous things that drive me nuts, but then I need to see how everything turns out.

And even on her worst days she does pick herself up. I guess that is something she learned from living with Bill. I kind of feel sorry for her, even as I despise the things she does. What a circus.

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:06 PM
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27. remember she's insanely wealthy - its easier to pick yourself up if you're a multi millionaire
seems like these congressmen and senators somehow get really really rich,
some of them without writing best selling books.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:59 PM
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51. No doubt... I wish we could all be so lucky
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:17 PM
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35. She picks herself up because there's a lot at stake..
takeover of the Democratic party by the dlc and she's their leader now.

She's not picking herself up for her country.
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mikiturner Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:05 PM
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25. Just finished reading it
Definitely a must-read account.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:05 PM
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26. A very bad day for Clinton.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:06 PM
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28. It sounds like one of McCain's press puppies begging for a biscuit at his BBQ
I did like the comments though.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:09 PM
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31. This almost makes me feel sorry for her.
This article is enough to almost make me feel bad for her. Hell, I do feel bad for her, but I shouldn't. She may have simply made a mistake but so did Obama when he made the "bitter" comment, and she had not qualms about piling on that and using Republican talking points to pain him as elitist. She had no problem piling on John Kerry when he made that botched joke back in 2006 and she wanted to help kill his chances of running again. So even if her remarks were taken out of context, she's had no problem doing the same thing to her political rivals. Obama's a better person than I am for giving her a pass.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:20 PM
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38. I think that's been her whole problem.
Or one of them. Her campaign has been so epically inept for so long, it's hard to pick out one thing that was done more incorrectly than all the others.

but I think she would have gotten a lot more slack for her comments yesterday if she hadn't been so willing to jump on every single mis-speak by Obama for political gain.

She had to bigfoot every little mistake, and that's part of the reason why I have very little sympathy for her when she gets a little blowback for trying to turn every single thing into a political advantage.

- as
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:21 PM
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39. Yeah, poor hilary makes the assassination comment
for the fourth time and she's the victim. I knew the m$$$fm and bil clinton would find a way to make her out the victim in this whole tragic, outrageous strategy of her's.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:19 PM
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36. It's good to see Hillary Clinton getting a taste of her own medicine
As much as her RFK statement could be lawyerized into having one think it's no big deal, it was clearly something that could not be spun quick enough for her to survive the blast of her own making.

The article is a fascinating read into the innards of the campaign. May it rest soon.

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:20 PM
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37. The assassination comment has hit Puerto Rican media.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 10:24 PM by Tatiana
I just talked to my aunt. It'll be interesting to see what kind of greeting Clinton gets.

Edited to type out "Puerto Rican"
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:22 PM
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40. Boston Herald: "Killer gaffe: Hillary Clinton cites RFK assassination
They're gonna saturate her in irony.

Killer gaffe: Hillary Clinton cites RFK assassination
Boston Herald, United States -

The comment capped a painful week for the Kennedy family, who learned that Sen. Edward M. Kennedy has a deadly form of brain cancer. Obama’s wife, Michelle, also has raised concerns in recent months about her husband’s safety as a presidential candidate.

“I think it was an inappropriate comment,” said Bridgewater State College political science professor George Serra. “It once again hints of desperation. She’s right, anything can happen. But it was very inappropriate.”

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/view.bg?articleid=1096000&srvc=home&position=comment

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:26 PM
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42. This comment probably marks the end of her candidacy.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:32 PM
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43. After reading that I almost feel sorry for her
almost.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:37 PM
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44. the "deli" vs. "produce" section perspective is amazing...
:rofl:

okay, continuing with the article now...
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:53 PM
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48. Grocery stores, farm museum sheds... is she being quaint on purpose?
Or is this how a broke campaign chugs along?
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:04 PM
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52. I found this almost laughable coming from Hillary.....
"Another woman told Mrs. Clinton she was concerned about ending the polarization in Washington. That elicited a rambling response from Mrs. Clinton, who went from talking about having a Democratic majority in the Senate to describing “gotch-ya politics” and how people’s words can be “twisted” and that this very thing had happened to her (though no mention of the episode of the day)."


And she never gets called on her hypocrisy.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. Her irony meter needs a little tweaking, I'd say.
And her own hypocrisy is probably riding in a blind spot.

- as
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:29 PM
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56. I'm appalled that she never gets called on it though. While Obama has
to answer for his mistatements, and the statements of everyone he's ever known, even remotely. The double standard is astounding to me.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:39 AM
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71. it reminds me of the way conventional media narrative coddled Dubya
by lowering expectations to the point where Bush Jr. could drool on the Tele-Prom-Ter and meet expectations*, but Gore or Kerry delivering the Gettysburg address would be somehow** portrayed as elitist and long-winded. Naturally Obama faces an even higher standard, as designated emissary of culture(s) alien to many "white Americans":
It’s hard to imagine now, says Charlie Peters, but back in 1960, the Catholicism of John F. Kennedy was every bit as big a problem for Appalachian voters as Barack Obama’s race appears to be today.

When Peters, Kennedy’s Kanawha County campaign chairman, first took him around Charleston, W.Va, at least 20 percent of the people refused to shake his hand. So Kennedy spent 16 of the 30 days before the primary showing West Virginians “he wasn’t wearing the Pope’s clothes,” Peters said.
<...>
Last week, U.S. Sen. Jim Webb, D-Virginia, who has been mentioned as a possible vice-presidential candidate to Obama, made the point that the traditional Scots-Irish culture of Appalachia should be more of an ally than an enemy of the African-American community.

http://www.kentucky.com/254/story/414666.html

* What of this again, that these people are experts in flattery, and will commend the talk of an illiterate, or the beauty of a deformed, friend, and compare the scraggy neck of some weakling to the brawny throat of Hercules when holding up Antaeus from the earth; or go into ecstasies over a squeaky voice not more melodious than that of a cock when he pecks his spouse the hen?

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/juvenal_satires_03.htm

** sed quis custodiet ipsos
custodes, qui nunc lasciuae furta puellae
hac mercede silent?


But who is going to guard the
guards themselves, who now keep silent the lapses of the loose girl
paid off in the same coin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire_VI ("the same coin" == free access)
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:21 AM
Response to Reply #71
73. Thanks for sharing that little bit of history. I loved JFK, and I also
agree with Sen. Webb. Maybe when people are half dead from starvation because their jobs have all been shipped offshore by the fatcats, they'll wise up and stop voting God, Guns & Gays. Maybe they'll even stop voting based on race. Wouldn't that be something?
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:31 PM
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76. it's strange how these "wedge issues" always play people with like interests against one another
The company town was an economic institution that was part of the market for labor. In a company town a single firm provided its employees with goods and services, hired police, collected garbage, dispensed justice, and answered (or failed to answer) complaints from residents. The economy of the company town was totally "privatized" -- community services that today are provided by municipal governments were provided by the profit-maximizing firm, which ran the company town. Property rights were defined in such a way that companies could exclude competition by other firms that wished to provide goods and services to their employees.

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The prevalence of company towns, at least in the coal industry, was related to the settlement of regions where mines were developed. When mines opened in isolated regions they needed to provide housing and other necessities to their employees. Thus in more settled regions, the proportion of miners living in company towns was less than in areas that were less settled. In the early 1920's the United States Coal Commission found that in Southern Appalachia (West Virginia, Eastern Kentucky, Tennessee, Maryland, Virginia, and Alabama) and in the Rocky Mountains 65 to 80 percent of miners lived in company towns. In most of the Midwest only 10 to 20 percent of miners lived in company towns. In Ohio 25 percent lived in company towns, while in Pennsylvania 50 percent lived in company towns.

http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/boyd.company.town

Wage slavery is a term first coined by the Lowell Mill Girls in 1836, though articulated as a concept at least as early as Cicero and elaborated by subsequent thinkers, particularly with the advent of the industrial revolution. It refers to the similarities between buying and renting a person, and denotes a hierarchical social condition in which a person chooses a job but only within a coerced set of choices (primarily working for a boss under threat of starvation, poverty or status diminution), which make that "person dependent on wages or a salary for a livelihood,"esp with total and immediate dependency on the income derived from...<wage> labor."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:22 AM
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63. the master word twister
plays the victim. Again.
And she doesn't seem to have a clue just how ironic her words are.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:27 AM
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64. She always rambles on about stuff...its yet another thing about her that drives me crazy
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:27 PM
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55. She should have folded after Kentucky. This says it all:
"The crowd was subdued, applauding occasionally. There were no banners or “Hillary” signs."
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:11 AM
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60. Yes, she had a good chance to bow out gracefully
and she's botched that now. The only thing she can do is stay in and then bow out on June 3 or 4th.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:18 AM
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61. That was wierd. . .
and the question they gave her weren't softballs either.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:49 PM
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57. Good read...
Thanks for posting. It was interesting to read about the yesterday's events from a member of the press' perspective.

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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:04 AM
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58. LOL: Mrs. Clinton...began addressing ...people who were seated ..., in the fresh produce section
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:07 AM
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59. Insert 'vegetable' joke here. n/t
- as
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:50 AM
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66. The article described Olbermann as
"no friend of Mrs. Clinton," but he was. Until a few months ago, when she started lying on the stump and race-baiting, he considered her a personal friend. His latest book lists "the Clinton family, especially Dorothy Rodham," in the acknowledgements. In his first "special comment" about her, it was clear from his facial expression and body language that his heart was breaking.

This campaign has cost Mrs. Clinton a lot of friends, and a lot of support. Her political career is *over.*
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:17 AM
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70. I bet a lot of HRC supporters didn't know that re: his book/Clinton
Edited on Sun May-25-08 02:17 AM by chill_wind
As an Obama supporter, I know I wasn't aware. I figured he'd started from a more neutral place, was all. This is even sadder.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:24 PM
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75. I saw that special comment
and agree that he looked pained.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:16 AM
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69. What a dishonest piece of horseshit that story is - they call the Tuzla LIE a "misstatement".
Edited on Sun May-25-08 01:19 AM by Zhade
No, it's a fucking lie, proven to be such by fucking video.

Interesting that they used the word "obliterate", though.

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Ice-9 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:53 AM
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72. "Privately, we were told, the Obama camp was livid."
Well look at that. A candidate who feigns composure when he's privately outraged rather than feigning outrage when he's privately composed.

It's so refreshing to have the opportunity to vote for a real leader in this election. Thank you, Senator Obama.
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