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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:25 AM
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Buyers' Remorse: How Rank & File Democrats Rejected Obama Once He Was Declared "Inevitable" Nominee
"Buyers' Remorse: How Rank & File Democrats Rejected Obama Once He Was Declared The "Inevitable" Nominee"
In nearly every demographic category since February 19, Clinton’s percentage of the vote has risen, while Obama’s has fallen. This includes Obama’s supposed “strong” demographic categories such as voters with college degrees post-graduate degrees and voters whose income is above the national median. And Clinton beat Obama in the primaries in March, April and May in most of the major categories.

Once voters realized that Obama would be the nominee, his support within most demographic categories declined, and declined significantly in most cases. Obama’s support declined overall by 2.3%

· Obama’s support among men declined by 2%,
· Obama’s support declined among women by 1.2%,
· Obama’s support declined among White voters by 4.8%,
· Obama’s support declined among Hispanic/Latino voters by 3.2%,
· Obama’s support declined among White males by 6.7%, and
· Obama’s support declined among White females by 3.6%.

· Clinton’s support increased among Males by 6.0%,
· Clinton’s support increased among Females by 3.1%,
· Clinton’s support increased among White voters by 6.2%,
· Clinton’s support increased among Hispanic/Latino voters by 2.6%,
· Clinton’s support increased among White males by 10.8%, and
· Clinton’s support increased among White females by 6.0%.

Obama did manage to increase his support among African Americans overall by 5.4%, among Black men by 6.7%, and among Black women by 9.6%. But when that data is weighed in terms of the overall electorate, the impact of those changes is small.

http://correntewire.com/buyers_remorse_how_rank_file_democrats_rejected_obama_once_he_was_declared_the_inevitable_nominee#comments
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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:28 AM
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1. Is that why he wins in every metric, every poll and has a wider lead on McCain?
Look I understand your partisanship and preference, but why can you not accept that you people are the minority, and Obama is more popular? That's how democracy works, and we aren't changing to a monarchy system any time soon.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:33 AM
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5. See my thread "Earth calling Obamites: 'GOP strategists mull McCain ‘blowout.'"
Edited on Sun May-25-08 06:36 AM by Perry Logan
See my other thread on the subject: " Earth calling Obamites: "GOP strategists mull McCain ‘blowout’"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6114070&mesg_id=6114070
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:43 AM
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10. See my thread, re "Disarray in the McCain camp". They're worried.
Edited on Sun May-25-08 06:44 AM by votesomemore
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6119168

As much as you would like to see McCain win, it is further fetched than HRC winning.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:15 AM
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23. He doesn't come close to winning every metric.
He is winning in the single one that counts, though. He hasn't been able to cross that finish line yet, but I am confident that he will.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:30 AM
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2. golly, another deranged hillbot freaking out over Hilly's
political demise on his insignificant little blog.

:rofl:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:32 AM
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3. I'd like to see some metric to account for the Chaos factor
in your stats for Hillary.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:32 AM
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4. Black NYers are having buyers remorse over Hillary.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clintonblacks25-2008may25,0,2206514.story

Even as she continues her longshot presidential bid, Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a political rift in New York, where black leaders say her standing has dropped due to racially charged comments by her and her husband during the campaign.

African American elected officials and clerics based in New York City say Clinton will need to defuse resentment over the campaign's racial overtones if she returns to New York as U.S. senator.

State Sen. Bill Perkins, who represents Harlem, said constituents recently phoned him because they wanted to demonstrate outside Bill Clinton's Harlem office against comments by the former president.

Michael Benjamin, a state assemblyman who represents parts of the Bronx, said his wife removed a photograph of Bill Clinton from her office wall -- an expression of the misgivings that some black New Yorkers feel.

Assemblyman Karim Camara of Brooklyn contributed $500 to Hillary Clinton's Senate reelection campaign in 2006 and described Bill Clinton as a political hero. He said: "Once the campaign is over there has to be a lot of work to heal the wounds. She needs to go back to the black churches she visited in the course of her campaign and have a frank conversation about who she is and how much the support of the black community means. There would not have been a first Clinton presidency in 1992 if not for the African American community."

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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:40 AM
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7. That's because the Obama campaign effectively played the race card.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:42 AM
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8. When even Charlie Rangel starts to complain, you know its got to be Hillary.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:38 AM
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6. Do you have a time frame when you think that Obama
Was Declared "Inevitable". I was thinking that when Edwards suspended his campaign in January, he received more of the votes because it was inevitable that with only two in the race he would receive more of the votes. Not long after that the contractor in Chicago was preparing to go to court with information about campaign donations the senator received. So there were some ups and downs going on, but I was under the impression that more have come out for him most recently, because of the press given to Hillary to drop out.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:42 AM
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9. I think the cries of "inevitability" have increased in direct proportion to Obama's slowing momentum
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:53 AM
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11. Unlike a good Bordeaux, this whine doesn't get better with time.......
:eyes:

So I guess the remorse for Hillary's "inevitability" status started right away, in Iowa, n'est-ce pas?

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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:54 AM
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12. I'm writing a song about the Obama campaign. It's called "Where the Hell did the Momentum Go?"
Edited on Sun May-25-08 06:55 AM by Perry Logan
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:56 AM
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13. I'm sure it will be a classic......
:eyes: :rofl:


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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:05 AM
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15. "Baby, baby, where did our momentum go? / It started out fast, then it got real slow..."
Republicans were moaning and crying in pain.
Now they're thinking they can win with McCain.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:58 AM
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14. Get over yourself.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:06 AM
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16. just to shake up your audience a bit
try using more than two chords. They'll never expect that.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:10 AM
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19. I saved you trouble of creating a theme song for the Clinton campaign.

You made a fool of me, but them broken dreams have got to end.

Hey woman, you got the blues, cos' you ain't got no one else to
use.
There's an open road that leads nowhere, so just make some
miles
between here and there.
There's a hole in my head where the rain comes in,
You took my body and played to win,
Ha Ha woman it's a crying shame,
But you ain't got no one else to blame.

E-evil Woman, E-evil Woman, E-evil Woman, Evil Woman

Rolled in from another town,
Hit some gold too hot to settle down,
But a fool and his money soon go separate ways,
And you found a fool lyin' in a daze,
Ha Ha woman what you gonna do,
You destroyed all the virtues that the Lord gave you,
It's so good that you're feeling pain,
But you better get yourself on board the very next train.


E-evil Woman, E-evil Woman, E-evil Woman, Evil Woman

Evil woman how you done me wrong,
But now you're tryin' to wail a different song,
Ha Ha funny how you broke me up, you made the wine now you
drink the cup,
I came runnin' every time you cried,
Thought I saw love smilin' in your eyes,
Ha Ha very nice to know, that you ain't got no place left to
go.


E-evil Woman, E-evil Woman, E-evil Woman, Evil Woman
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:16 AM
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17. As you said,
"when that data is weighed in terms of the overall electorate, the impact of those changes is small.".
A drop of 2.3 % is small, probably statistically insignificant, and if even real, could be due to the states that voted after, as you said, Obama was "declared" the nominee. And also, small though it is, it could certainly reflect the small amount of contrariness that naturally exists in people, (myself included). Remember after Iowa, when all the pundits predicted a Clinton loss in New Hampshire? New Hampshire is a state that probably has more "contrary" voters than most, and they likely said, fuck the media, they're not telling ME whom to vote for", and thus a Clinton win.
I wouldn't put too much stock in it, although it is interesting.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:06 AM
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18. Keep pounding the negatives. You are doing your job with gusto!
How about working for the election of Obama, who will be our nominee, instead of against it?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:12 AM
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20. California has buyer's remorse.
Latinos have buyer's remose.

Florida is inching closer everyday to buyer's remorse.

SUSA shows Obama with a 10 point lead over McCain in OHIO.

Every poll shows Obama winning Pennsylvania against McCain.

Most of the country has moved on from Hillary Clinton.

I hope you'll take the time to join the rest of us in voting for the Democratic nominee.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:57 AM
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21. Thanks, waterboy.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:13 AM
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22. Deranged thinking. I guess this is why Clinton is losing. Let me 'splain somethin' to ya.
First, those numbers are inaccurate.
Second, what the numbers are changes with the state being discussed.
Third, how one judges "support" can differ.

This is really beneath you. Clinton has lost. Accept it. Focus on her future, if you care about her.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:16 AM
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24. Buyers Remorse Is Why Her Delegates Are Switching To Obama...
But thanks for playing.
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