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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:02 PM
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Moment of truth in Hillary Clinton's op-ed today:
Edited on Sun May-25-08 09:03 PM by FlyingSquirrel
As the first female candidate in this position, I believe I have a responsibility to finish this race.


Now that speaks volumes. First off, I agree with her. She should be allowed to finish the race without people trying to push her out. Without the Superdelegates massing up and delivering some kind of fatal blow before the final primary. They see that, which is why they're waiting. (Well, that's one reason. The other reason is they want it to look like the voters pushed Obama over the 2,025 mark and not them. Looks more democratic, doncha know.)

Whatever she might say or do from now till June 3 against Obama will in the end only hurt her own political career. I firmly believe this, and I think she finally realizes it as well. Anyway, there are only 9 days left. We can hang. For the sake of her true believers, don't begrudge her this final request (as if we could anyway).

I think, though, hidden between the lines there, we finally see her conceding the race. You don't say "I have a responsibility to finish this race" when you think you're going to win or even might win. She's no longer looking for a victory, she's just seeking closure at this point. She wants to be able to say that she gave it her all and did not quit, that she fought hard to the bitter end. It's an admirable quality, no matter what you think of any of her other qualities - if she were a man, other men would certainly understand and accept it without a second thought. But since she's not, they throw every possible ugly sex-based stereotype at her for it. Just like they have this entire race, starting with the one where a man is "shrewd" or "clever" and a woman is "calculating".

Jesus. Just stop already and let her finish out the race with whatever remaining dignity she can muster.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:04 PM
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1. Fine. She needs to stop agitating about FL and MI and attacking Obama.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:11 PM
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:13 PM
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7. He is a man and he will fight this out very well, and thank you for your concern! n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:28 PM
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12. Isn't that special!
:D


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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:28 PM
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14. I'm not whining. I'm just saying if she knows she can't win and is finishing
this race because of the historic significance of being the first woman to run, then why engage in
this sort of poo-flinging. She agreed to the exclusion of FL and MI delegates at the beginning of the primaries.
She is being disingenuous. She hurts her own legacy by being a sore loser.

If you want to hear whining all you have to do is listen to your candidate.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:13 PM
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32. Agree.. disingenuous, hypocritical,
and whymey.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:36 PM
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:50 PM
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25. At least you admit that Hillary staying in the race is tiresome
nine more days...
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:20 PM
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35. Interesting choice of words.
*Pussy* is just a little sexist doncha think? Implying that anyone with a vagina is somehow weak or bad...


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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:05 PM
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2. I don't care if she finishes the race. I just don't want her to take it to the convention.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:08 PM
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4. Agreed. But we can cross that bridge when we come to it.
I think the remaining superdelegates will endorse in great numbers after June 3 for Obama and it will at that point be perfectly clear that MI and FL would not make a bit of difference even if counted in the most beneficial way to her.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:15 PM
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9. And they, should be seated in any way that they want to be seated... But...
Edited on Sun May-25-08 09:19 PM by LakeSamish706
we do not want to set a president for States doing what they want.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:07 PM
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3. Even if the SD's moved to a mass Obama endorsement
She could still needlessly spend money she doesnt have and continue through to the end.

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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:08 PM
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5. I agree with you actually... With 9 days left, we can get thru this with her still in ...
what she and her supporters might call a race... The reality still is that she and many of her campaign people (and maybe some Clinton supporters) better have some Psychiatric assistance on standby once this is over. Many are going to wakeup to the fact that Hillary has actually lost.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:14 PM
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8. Regardless of what else happens, if she leaves within days of June 3
I will forgive her everything and I pledge to donate to her primary campaign in order to aid her in the retirement of her debt.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:29 PM
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15. She has to leave on June 3rd
The last thing she needs is to have to answer "The primaries are over, you lost -- why are you still in this?" on June 5th, the 40th anniversary of the RFK assassination.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:18 PM
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10. Damn it!
I wish she had said that loud, early and often. It makes more sense than the other flimsy, and as it turns out, offensive reasons that she has given.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:22 PM
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11. Baloney. She's a horror and she needs to go.
She isn't fighting for women, she's making sure nobody ever, ever gets behind a woman's presidential run again, just like nobody has picked a female veep since Mondale and Ferraro ate the cheese in 1984.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:30 PM
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16. Good point.
And I truly believe we are another generation out from another woman running for the spot.

It will take that long to get the stench off the party.

:(
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:42 PM
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39. I don't think she ruined it for women--just herself
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:38 PM
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21. I know..it's total Bullooney.
But, there you have it.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:42 PM
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23. Why would nobody ever get behind a woman's presidential run again? I don't get your logic.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:47 PM
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24. I don't get it either.
Turn it around on its head, "No other male candidate" and it makes no sense. She didn't lose just because she was female, and it doesn't follow that any other female candidate would make the same mistakes she made or be perceived in the same way that she was.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:56 PM
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28. Mainly because she's proven to be a huge liability.
She had everything going for her, she blew it, and now she's just screwing it up for the rest of us That's how it is.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:03 PM
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40. What is she a liability to? Why would it be screwed up for the rest of us? Could you explain please?
If anything, the next woman to make a run at the White House will be compared to Clinton—and probably favorably! Considering the deep-seated antagonism the press has for the Clintons.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but your comments make it sound like you feel Hillary's not a 'credit to her gender' or something. This country is woefully backward in electing women to head government, true, but there are female governors and mayors, you know. Hillary's not exactly the only chance we will ever have that will never come again. In fact, I'd venture to say that the next woman to run for president will benefit by studying how Hillary Clinton ran her campaign.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:06 PM
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41. I don't think ANYONE will want to be compared to either
Clinton, at least north of the mason-dixon line, after this campaign. They've both behaved disgracefully and this latest talk of assassination is completely evil. And yes, I think it will make it much more difficult for any woman hoping to raise money for a presidential run in the future.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:16 PM
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33. That's just silly. Times have changed, the age of Ferraro is long over.
There's going to be a slew of women presidential candidates by 2016.

I may strongly dislike Hillary Clinton, but I will grant that she HAS blazed a trail. And the next ones on that trail will have both her successes and mistakes to learn by, and it won't be long before one of them makes it all the way.

She may be evil, but she's not THAT evil. ;)

sw

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:28 PM
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13. When she quits throwing bricks, I am sure the shitstorm in her direction will cease.
There are consequences to actions. Something Mrs. Clinton never seemed to comprehend.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:31 PM
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17. FlyingSquirrel, I think folks are too angry to let this go just yet.
I imagine it will simmer down by the time she exits the race.

If you recall, Hillary's supporters expressed anger about the 'bitter' comment for weeks, among other things. It seems Obama's supporters will do the same.
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:04 PM
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30. bitter comment?
Or was that truth to power? :) :) :)
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:32 PM
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18. I'm happy with the fatal blow
being delivered on or just after June 4th. She only has herself to blame for lack of dignity at this point though.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:32 PM
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19. She has no fucking dignity and I never
called for her not to finish. I called for her to stop her fucking lying and now she's brought up RFK's assassination 4 fucking times and they're blaming that on the Obama Camp.

hilary threw her own damn dignity out the window. Too late.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:50 PM
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26. I guess I'm just a softie.
Yeah, it's absurd that they're trying to lay that on the Obama camp. Anyway this is only directed at those who are screaming like monkeys for her to leave this instant or the supers to end it. Not that it'll do any good I suppose.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:55 PM
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27. You have the liberty to be a softie
Unfortunately, every day that she attacks Obama on <insert faux outrage du jour> is a day that he has to spend campaign funds (and his mental energy and his staff's mental energy) fighting her. A democrat.

I can only hope that at some point, he can back off of the 7 day work weeks and actually get some down time with his family before the GE starts up in earnest. He will likely be shocked at how tall the girls have grown since the last time he saw them.

I am not suggesting pity -- the Obama's knew they were in for a slog. I am suggesting that the SS Clintanic back the fuck up and give him a damn break.

Its. Over.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:40 PM
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22. maybe lighting McQueen can push her across the finish line.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:57 PM
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29. I'm not worried about her staying in until June 3rd. That's fine. No problem.
My concern is that she fully intends to raise 20 kinds of stink all the way to the convention. That's based on the talking points repeated by her shills on TV (a la McAuliffe) as well as the seemingly co-ordinated gibberish that her erstwhile defenders spout here.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:33 PM
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36. Well, Edwards was gonna "fight through to the convention" too...
That didn't exactly go as his supporters (including me) had hoped.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:41 PM
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38. I'd like to see Edwards in as Atty. General, actually. Edwards is a good man.
I think Edwards is about more than his ego.

These days, I'm not so sure, with Hillary.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:08 PM
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31. Thank you for a very good post. Rec'd, of course.
I'm happy to give her until June 5. And it's really not that much in her hands now anyway, there must be utter bedlam going on behind the scenes in the DNC -- factions battling factions.

I'm hoping that there are also some serious negotiations going on, of the type that says, "Okay, how about this nice Cabinet post?" Or a really good Ambassadorship -- maybe one for each Clinton, or both together.

I'm also counting on the fact that Obama has, so far, genuinely seemed to be quite nimble and smart. And his campaign has certainly been well-organized and well-run. He may very well be able to handle this matter with some skill and grace.

sw
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:17 PM
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34. Dignity? Since When Do Amoral Political Psychopaths Have Dignity?
That went out the window around the "As far as I know" spew. She's now borderline criminal and absolutely of questionable sanity.

And maybe it is better she goes out this way. Without question, the RFK line will make many recoil in horror from her and wake all but the deepest-in-the-bunker Hillbots from their delusion, and that's certainly a good thing.

But it's a Hell of a price to pay for it.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:35 PM
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37. *sigh*
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 01:19 AM
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42. As a woman, finish the race with class
Finishing just to show how tough you are doesn't help womens' cause. It teaches the lesson "never give up". But sometimes you should give up, like when you're losing, have no chance of winning and are causing harm to your party.

If she would really conduct herself with the highest class, maybe staying in would make a good example. But it would also have made a good example if sometime between 2/5 and now, HRC had become Obama's biggest supporter, most vocal champion, and powerful surrogate. Then (1) she would have been the leading candidate for 2012 if Obama didn't win the GE, (2) she would show that women can play the game hard, but can also be team players, (3) she would have been beloved in the senate, (4) she might well have been VP.

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