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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:33 PM
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The real point of Hillary bringing up assassination...

She wasn't wishing for an attack on Obama, nor inciting violence against him.

What she was doing was simple, crass, and calculated.

She's 3 times now brought up the specter of assassination in conjunction with RFK when talking about why she remains in the race. She's trying very hard to cast doubt and fear over Obamas campaign. To discourage people from supporting Obama because hey, you never know, something bad could happen to him. Why waste your support on a guy who might not make it to the GE?

She's trying to make supporting Obama seem risky or like a lost cause by repeatedly insinuating her might get assassinated like RFK.

She is now seeing this tactic backfire in her face.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:34 PM
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1. Yep. And, so she blames Obama.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:34 PM
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2. I agree completely. nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:36 PM
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3. I thought it was obvious
for a while now. She probably thought it was too and since she got no flak for it, she's probably shocked somebody finally noticed.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:43 PM
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4. SPOT ON!!!!!
Edited on Sun May-25-08 10:45 PM by TwoSparkles
Sorry about the caps, but you have it EXACTLY right. Exactly.

I've thought about this issue for a long time. At first, I was enraged, but then I really listened to what
Hillary said, and the context. She was NOT talking staying in the race in case Obama was assassinated (like
Bobby Kennedy).

Clearly, she was talking about campaigns going on for a long time. Bill's ended in June. Bobby Kennedy
was assassinated in June (so therefore he was still campaigning, when he was assassinated), and she's
using Bobby Kennedy's June campaigning as another example of a late campaign.

Ok----fine. She uses those examples as "June campaigning" or late campaigning. However (and here
is the kicker)...why does she mention Bobby Kennedy's assassination when she makes this point. AND
she has made this point at least three times.

THIS IS A TALKING POINT.

Why would she repeatedly bring up the ASSASSINATION...instead of just mentioning that Bobby Kennedy campaigned
into June as well. Why does she keep repeating (and it's a planned talking point) about the assassination???

Just like you said. She's planting that seed of fear. Assassination. Bobby was assassinated. Look at Obama,
he's vulnerable too. He's African American. He's a true Progressive like Bobby. She's repeating this talking
point--at least three times--to plant the seeds of doubt, as you said.

That's exactly it. Exactly.

She wasn't saying that she's hanging around because Obama might be killed. She's doing something worse. She's
using the death of one of our nation's heroes to leverage herself and weaken her opponent.

People really, really need to get this.

Thanks for posting this. Sorry to ramble, but this has been on my mind a great deal, and I haven't posted
my thoughts yet. It's very, very chilling, but that's exactly what Hillary Clinton was doing with that
talking point. And it IS a talking point--repeated verbatim at least three times.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:51 PM
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9. I agree - plus we know that her target audience for that
talking point is the Supers. She can't win enough pledged delegates anymore to get the lead, so she has to make he case to the supers. All of the Supers (hopefully) know the history of campaigns and know that '68 is nothing like '08 regarding the Primary calendar. So, it makes no sense for her to use '68 to make the case to supers based on time line.

There is not an undecided Senator sitting out there that heard her talking point and said "oh yeah, we still had the primary going on in '68 in June, so it is okay." They know that there were many primary votes left in June of 1968. They know that Bobby didn't even enter the race until March of the same year.
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muleboy303 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:45 PM
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5. spot on
with one addition perhaps,

the "people" Hillary is trying to discourage are specifically, the superdelegates

so that they do not follow through on their plan to endorse Obama in sufficient
numbers as to make the votes in Montana and South Dakota on 3June put him over
the threshold (thereby giving the appearance of having the voters making him the
nominee, versus the superdels)

last friday's allusion may well have backfired, re: this strategy/effort

this week will tell us a lot. by the rules committee meeting next weekend
there should be another twenty/thirty superdels announce for Obama (just to
send the "it's time/it's over" message, as gently but firmly as possible)

as for me, if Obama doesn't publicly announce on Tuesday 27May that Samantha Power
has formally returned to his campaign, i will be very disappointed.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:46 PM
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6. but, ah, Obama already acknowledged her as "Annie Oakley", remember?
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:50 PM
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7. So obvious. I'm mystified by her defenders, even one of the mods. What's up with that?
If it was a "long primary" argument, why did she say it months earlier?

She was tired and the Kennedy's were much on her mind then too? If anyone knows that Words are Weapons it is the Clintons.

Well put by another DU poster whose name I've forgotten (apologies):

"It would be a whole lot easier to accept as a mistake if the Clintons hadn't been doing thinly veiled language all spring. Always skirting the edge of two meanings. One sinister, the other innocent. They have proven that they are masters at this.

So, yes indeed, she was talking about June. And the way she did that was to remind everyone that a terrible thing happened in June 1968.
This from the most politically astute team in American politics? An accidental slip of the tongue? I just don't think so."

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:09 PM
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12. "she was tired and the Kennedy's were much on her mind then too?"
Edited on Sun May-25-08 11:10 PM by madeline_con
Excellent point! :applause:

spell edit
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:51 PM
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8. Yep, a "dogwhistle" to the superdelegates (nt)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:53 PM
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10. Yes, I believe most posters here are thinking the same.
Only the lunatic fringe, on either side, is advocating the most dark and sinister scenarios.

Her politically expediant actions have come back to bite her on the ass. The most recent one has left her unable to sit down, as her ass is now missing.

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:11 PM
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13. Obama is about to hand it to her. n/t
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:54 PM
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11. That's exactly what she's doing
It's what her whole campaign has been doing.

Part of that "kitchen sink" strategy.

And that sink has gotten awfully bloody lately.

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