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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:39 AM Original message |
Where was 35yrs of leadership experience Senator Elect Hillary during the Election 2000 Recount? |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. So now the 2000 loss is Hillary's fault? LOL nt |
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CPschem (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. not what the OP said |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. That's exactly what the OP is saying. nt |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. wow. maybe try reading it a third or fourth time. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Or maybe have a adult read it to him/her.- |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #25 |
41. lol it is pretty clear |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
69. Face it. Anybody who is still a Hillary supporter, after her assassination strategy... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. No |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
46. No, the OP is saying she appears to be an opportunistic hypocrite. |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
50. no the op simply stated the facts-she was not there, not that it was her fault |
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Yes We Did (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
62. project much? Do YOU feel guilty about something? |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. i named this condition in march |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. I wondered why the Clintons were not more pro-active |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Because Bill Clinton |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. no, I meant the schmooze factor, no one had more schmooze |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
32. An early executive order to count all the votes would've been exactly what a president of courage |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. yes, that would have saved us much suffering |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
78. It would've been an egregious abuse of power |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #78 |
91. You're utterly whatever if you think a PresBush wouldn't have done it AND claimed |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
89. Except that if it had been a Republican President |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
54. Because that would have been a victory for the DNC and their loyalty |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. well, I think that now Americans realize that |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
4. what is it with the FACT THINGIES again? Hasn't Hill's team told you |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
56. You are right. That is the one thing around which I cant seem to bend my mind. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
5. Did Obama make a speech about in in 2000? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Obama was like you and I in 2000, just another nameless faceless person without clout. Hillary was |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. He had the same clout in 2000 that he did in 2002 when he gave another speech. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. You just showed the flaw in your own argument... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Neither can Obama. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
59. You arent being generous, you are intentionally acting obtuse. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
66. do the hillary enablers get paid |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. You've been here two months. You tell me. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. i couldnt tell you about hillary enablers and what they get paid |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
27. But he's not the one citing the 2000 election as part of his experience |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #27 |
52. He's the one claiming his 2002 speech to be the evidence of his judgment, |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. Your points do not follow. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. If you credit him for taking the lead on getting out of Iraq, take the corollary. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
95. He didnt take the lead on getting out of Iraq because we havent gotten out of Iraq yet and he isnt |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
8. Has someone been watching HBO? |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
9. Where Was Hillary In 2001 When The Congressional Black Caucus Needed A Senator |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. In 1998, not one person campaigned harder or raised more money |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. What's That Got To Do With 2001? |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Because your stupid post implies that Hilary and Bill were not friends |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I Never Implied That. I was Citing Historical Facts |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
70. All they have is red herrings. nt |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
42. r u really using 'hillary helped a black person' |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Where was Russ Feingold, the hero of the left? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I expect so much because you and she are claiming she has this amazing experience and leadership |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. You are stuck in a thought rut and there is no dissuading you with facts or logic. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. I think it is clear that you are wrong and the facts do not support you. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. As I said ... you're stuck. n/t |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Yes, with someone like you who disregards facts. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Kennedy, Leahy, Kerry, et al. Are NOT Running for President |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Very astute point. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Speaking of Kerry .... |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. you dont know shit about florida |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. you dont know shit about florida |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
94. Maybe the DNC headed by Clinton loyalists should've SECURED the election process as a priority issue |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
55. None of them are justifying a losing campaign based on imaginary disenfranchisement. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
84. "the hero of the left" ? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
57. Where was Hilly in 2005 when Barbara Boxer was the lone Senator standing up with the CBC? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
65. That was exactly my thought as I watched it last night |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
11. The fact is that neither President or Mrs. Clinton gave much moral support to counting votes in 2000 |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
12. Where was "Mr. Constitutional Lawyer" Obama when Ohio was stolen in 2004? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. See my #10 |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. You are incorrect. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Yes, in 2004 he was a rising star, in 2000 he had as much clout as you or I do now. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #29 |
49. You're complaining about Hillary not using her "clout" but you give Obama a pass. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. A FAIR double standard. One for someone who had the position to do something and one who didnt |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
37. You're Best Argument Is To Compare The First Lady and New Senator from NY |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Their position doesn't offer much more. A bright person would STFU but that isnt them. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
39. You will recall Obama was just elected where Hillary and her husband Bill were party leaders. |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
14. yea I know as a PB County DISENFRANCHISED democrat |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
31. It was looking out for 2008 |
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MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
33. "Well, you know, Al Gore didn't let Bill campaign for him, so Al was on his own." |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #33 |
48. he was off making money |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
45. Hillary had little interest in putting Gore in the WH. |
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KSinTX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
60. PuhLeez. nt |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I know. Hillary's position is untenable. |
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KSinTX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Don't get me wrong. However I feel about the OP |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. we cant let her go |
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KSinTX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Who really listens to parrots? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. McCaw? (n/t) |
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KSinTX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. You too owe me a keyboard |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. if it were just the enablers it would be one thing |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. I have a parrot and I love to listen to him |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
71. Interesting... |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
77. well, considering gore completely dissed the clintons in his campaign, he probably didn't want them |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
79. What exactly could Hillary and Bill have done? |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. That is precisely the question. What was she supposed to have done? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. If Hillary wasnt an ineffective leader, you wouldnt have to be making excuses for her |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
85. gore distanced himself from clinton as much as he could. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. my thought exactly |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
96. Who cares? You didnt have to be a Gore supporter to want to get involved in the Recount |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
88. Well, to be fair, it was only 27.5 years back then |
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