Here is another take on assassination but from a progressive source not noquarter

"It's astounding that a presidential candidate could verbalize such a thing when the collective American psyche still aches from the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., and Robert F. Kennedy. Many of us remember where we were when these heroes were shot. The pain we felt is palpable. We still suffer from their absence."

"Clinton, evidently surprised at the ferocity of the reaction to her statement, made a half-baked non-apology a few hours later. She expressed regret that anything she said could have offended the Kennedy family. But she uttered not a word of repentance for her suggestion that Barack Obama's death could inure to her benefit."

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"Clinton's remarks offer a look into her character. In Olbermann's words, they "open a door wide into the soul of somebody who seeks the highest office in this country and through that door shows something not merely troubling but frightening."

"Before Friday, a groundswell of support for an Obama-Clinton ticket appeared to be building. But as New York state Sen. Bill Perkins, an Obama supporter, said when he heard Clinton's comments, "My jaw just dropped -- I think she just basically shattered her hopes of being named as vice president. To use the example of an assassination," Perkins added, "I think, leads one to believe that she may be talking about something unfortunate happening to Barack Obama. Couple that with the other remarks she made recently about winning the white vote and her husband's statements and I'd say something is seriously amiss."

Marjorie Cohn is president of the National Lawyers Guild and author of Cowboy Republic.

http://counterpunch.org/cohn05262008.html


It is despicable how Hill supporters have thrown good progressive under the bus for a ardent DLCer

K and R :kick:

read the article from a progressive not the RW shit you post

;)

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and I heartily disagree. I cannot stand her anymore, for me that was the last straw.

She's a dirty player and a corporate windbag.

If I'm forced to vote for her I will but I won't be paying a bit of attention to her after that. She is officially too much like bush for me and I turn the volume off now when either of them speaks.

This is what I saw of the Clinton remarks:

Responding to a question from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader editorial board about calls for her to drop out of the race, she said: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don't understand it."

http://www.cbc.ca/world/usvotes/story/2008/05/23/clinton-gaffe.html


I really don't understand the reaction if that is all that was said. She's ineloquent, garbled and almost rambling even in that short quote, but I really don't understand why people read this to mean that she *wants* Obama to be murdered. Was there more to the statement?

as usual misrepresentation

it was a talking point.

Do you think -intentionally- invoking assassination is appropriate while running for POTUS in a race you've already lost?

Suppose Edwards had said early on, don't vote for Hillary cause right wingers hate her so much she might get shot like Bhutto?

Did she specifically reference the RFK murder, or just that campaign? I don't like the fact that she referenced the assassination in the CBC report I linked, but again it sounded disjointed and pointless. Was there a point to what she said? I'm not a Clinton supporter, so I haven't followed her campaign closely at all. I'll have to hold my nose and vote for our nominee in Nov, so I really haven't cared for some time and perhaps missed where she actually made an offensive, sinister statement rather than an almost incoherent one.


And the hypothetical Edwards remark would have been untenable, but that is not what I have read from Clinton. I have not seen where she said not to vote for Obama because he might get shot or that she hopes he's murdered. Perhaps she did and I missed it because I don't follow her campaign, I don't know.

And, honestly, some people saw through the tactics (me and most here) and some people don't (Skinner, you, my husband.)

You are correct that it was garbled, which was why the remark about assassination particularly stood out. When you take this in context with the other talking points "anything can happen" repeated ad nauseum, you get the idea that this is the "anything" they were talking about. They already purposely leaked the "bitter" comment. They have no other "anything" waiting in the wings.

No, she doesn't want him offed. But she wants us to think about the possibility of it, and use that as a reason for her to get the nomination.

I don't know. In context with all the times she has alluded to this, I can read it no other way. Clear as a bell to me. Her team had talked about this, for sure. The June reference itself makes no sense because the key primaries were much later in 1968.

because we are not Obama supporters? I don't know about Skinner and your husband of course, but I have found during this primary that the level of outrage usually depends on which candidate one supports. The Clinton supporters get upset over something I find mundane, the Obama supporters over something that doesn't even exist (like the Kantor racial epithet that one could only hear with the super duper headphones you could purchase at ObamasupportersslanderagoodDem.wtf).

Not being in either camp, I have found myself on the outside looking in far too often this primary. :shrug:

Actually, I think it has to do with discernment. My husband is willing to give just about anyone the benefit of the doubt. I use past history to try to figure out motivation. I truly believe that she is "off"--witness the Bosnia sniper fire lies. No "normal" person would repeat those several times and then blame fatigue. I became really suspicious of her mental health then. Why? Because, I am not young, and have run into a few people who would act that way. It's called pathological lying--she lied about it, and she didn't even need to. It's weird. She is not "right", unfortunately. Yes, it is things like this that have made me an Obama fan.

she is using a cold hearted political calculus to say that she should stay in the race because some calamity could happen that would make impossible for Obama to continue and then she would be in a position to profit from that.

to me it is exactly the same type of cold hearted political claculus that went into her IWR vote.

And oddly both ended up with non apology apologies.

So is Obama, in case you didn't notice. If you don't think that Obama has also been calculating and pandering and manipulative this primary, then we'll just have to agree to disagree and move along towards the GE.

statement then her statement would have been just another nonsensical statement.

However; the following "Assassinations" during the 60's make her statement ominous and potent and there are still a lot of people alive that remember those horrible days.

Keep in mind that these were not the only Assassinations or murder attempts in the 60's.

Malcolm X
Martin Luther King
Robert F. Kennedy
John F. Kennedy
Medger Evers

Hillary was there in the 60's and she was one of the witnesses of that decade...she absolutely knew what kind of reaction she would get. And again if this was the the first time she did it it might be a different story. This was the 3rd time twice in March....she did it to herself.

:D :popcorn:

Continually trashing progressive media and enabling faux news. Is she really a dem anymore?