Obama to Bill Clinton: You've got the Unity Pony. Give it to me.

Corrente exposes Obama hypocrisy on this trial balloon...:rofl:



Barack Obama wants Bill to heal Hillary Clinton wounds
Barack Obama, the probable Democratic presidential nominee, wants Bill Clinton to help him heal the deep party rifts created by his wife Hillary’s divisive campaign…

http://www.correntewire.com/obama_to_bill_clinton_youve_got_the_unity_pony_give_it_to_me

“If anybody can put their arms around the party and say we need to be together, it is Bill Clinton,” a senior Obama aide said.

And Bill gets?

But look, I thought that Obama was the one with the Unity Pony? But now it’s Bill Clinton? Then why’d you smear him as a racist? WTF? Is Obama’s Unity Pony on back order too? Then how’d Bill Clinton get one?

“He’s brilliant, he has got heart and he cares deeply about the country. It’s tricky because of his position as Hillary’s spouse, but his involvement is very important to us.”

And Bill gets?

“Bill Clinton will give permission to Hillary supporters to come into our camp and become one party.

So Obama smears the Clintons as racists, then asks them for help. :eyes:

Agree, the Obama campaign is becoming one big train wreck.

Why must the Clinton's always get something for their actions? Is it not within them to do something solely for the good of the country without expecting something in return? Hillary lost (I know it hurts her supporters to hear that). It's time for them both to do what's best for the country and forget about what's in it for them.

Especially since he trashed him and tried to smear his reputation?

If the "unity candidate" is having to rely on Bill to help him woo voters, his campaign isn't doing well.

Bill did all that on his own, by spouting republican talking points, and trying to win at any cost.

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If Big Dawg ignores the request for help then it proves that the divisiveness is truly owned by the Clintons. Obama is reaching out, they can reach back or slap his hand away.

Don't you see, play to the man's ego and ask for his help in bringing about the unity - ask for his help in healing the party he loves. It is a bridge to the odd folks that think the Clinton's can do no wrong and all the hillary fans that think she has been wronged (as opposed to self mutilation).

If the Clinton's want what is best for the party who else to reach out to but the man that many confused folks consider a leader of the party, the Big Dawg.

He doesn't take responsibility for anything; someone else is always to blame

He doesn't make decisions

He never works unless he can get someone else to do it for him

Obama is more like Bush every day.

To hold Obama accountable for what they say is ridiculous. For Clinton supporters to do so is even more ridiculous.

What, Bill and Hill start fights and say "See, Obama couldn't stop us from starting a fight. He's no unity candidate."

The sooner the Clintons disappear from the national scene, the better.

A belated welcome to DU. :hi:

If Obama wanted to play the hateful Hillary games, he could have gone for her jugular in the last debate when the moderators brought up her Bosnia lies. He allowed her to minimize her lies and he didn't call her on them.

If he wanted to scar her as she has tried to wound him, he could harp on the fact that her daughter wrote her thesis on the Northern Ireland Peace efforts and now the former Prez and Senator from NY, her parents, don't want that thesis released.

There is so much he could do to cause the divisions, he hasn't followed her example, he has tried to stay above her hate and divisive ways.

Hillary doesn't take responsibility, everything negative to her campaign, about her campaign is not her fault, it is others that are to blame. Your projection is funny, yet so very sad, to the point of pathetic.

Make all the rationalizations you want, its bad form to trash a well-liked and highly successful former president from your party, even if you're running against his wife.

Obama made his choice, he has to live with it. No one will trust him after this, and for good reason.

Please explain.

Hillary has made her choices, she wants to run as Bill's apprentice then she opens Bill's presidency and all of his mistakes to scrutiny. Looking honestly at the mistakes of those that came before us is not trashing, it is honest retrospect needed for growth. How sad that you live in some freaky world of worship that you can't see that Bill Clinton is a mortal and made huge mistakes while president, mistakes that hurt his family, our party and the nation. You may forgive and understand, many cannot and will not. Once a liar, always a liar.

More HRC doublespeak going on here.

not to mention his Kennedy airlift lies.

Actually, I don't call any of them LIES. They are all part of a broader framework of reference the candidates were creating (Hillary's to play up her foreign policy experience, Obama to link his family 1) with the Kennedys; and 2) to tie his own family's experience to events in Selma.

I did not, however, see 8000 threads here about Obama's unfactual remarks.

involved she was in the Northern Ireland Peace process and being shot at by snipers while bringing her only child to a war zone (negligent mother and liar). Her lies were to give her such great experience over her opponent, as if she is a tried and tested leader, she is not, never has lead, never had done a damn thing on her own and/or for the equality efforts of those treated unfairly in this nation, to include females. Tell me what she did for the women of Walmart, how she made the women employees at Walmart lives better and working experiences better as she served on the board of directors.

You can't tell me because she didn't, she is all talk.

I actually thought his remarks about Selma - a date he could easily have looked up - were sheer pandering to the Alabma voters. IMO, it's just as bad. The remarks got almost zero play, but I'm sure you would have really loved to see 80 posts a minute HERE overreacting about it.

4 times - about being in danger and bringing her only daughter into that danger with her, something that could be looked up in her own book, that is far worse than any comment about selma and the man's father.

Telling lies about how she had a hand in the Northern Ireland Peace process, something that can be looked up in her daughter's own thesis and probably was looked up and found to be untrue so they made the thesis unavailable and have dropped the peace talk rhetoric from her resume of experience is far worse than selma.

She panders to you all, makes you think she is qualified when she is not, professes of her greatness when she has none and panders to the war lovers as if she is brave and knows what war is all about, even though she voted for a war that is illegal and immoral.

She panders and you have bought it. Her lies are disgusting and only some obsessed fan would fail to see how pathetic and disgusting they are.

He was even wearing a flag pin a couple of weeks ago.

It's all politics, and, as I have stated, I think all of the statements were part of a broader narrative they are telling about themselves.

Your politician is a liar and a fraud; she wasn't under sniper fire yet she lied 4 times, 4 separately prepared speeches, that she was wanting all to think her brave and not a one of you questioned her bravery or wisdom in bringing her only daughter with her when the mission was so dangerous;

she had nothing to do with any peace talks, her daughter's thesis would prove that and they won't release it;

she has no more experience than does her opponent;

she has done nothing of consequence for the equal rights movement, she failed to help the female employees of walmart when she was on their board,

she voted to make it illegal to burn the flag;

she floated trial balloons in 2005 to change her stance on abortion;

she voted for cluster bombs and she voted for an illegal and immoral war

of your allegations that Senator Obama "trashed him and tried to smear his reputation".

?

His behavior these last few months have been more embarassing to him than anything he did in the Oval Office.

"So Obama smears the Clintons as racists, then asks them for help."

Obama's never called the Clintons racist. You, however, called Obama a muslim.

So...

based on real actions as a political leader.

He doesn't need anything from Obama.

Too bad for him and all the rest of us that he couldn't keep his hands off that girl. What a pathetic, horn-dog putz.

but you guys are a minority.

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He left office with approval ratings higher than most modern presidents.

Voters disagreed with the GOP sideshow.

Thanks Bill, and thank you too Ozark, your trying to deliver McBush. Shame.

no wise man has the power to reason away.

Like it had no impact at all. Please, you know he fucked up on a galactic level, yet you just want to pretend it had no impact. Please.

Sorry, we want something new, and we're about to get it. Bill should take his legacy, and his wife and go home.

investigatd for Paul Jones/sexual harassment.

That is a clear example of putting the best interests of his dick ahead of the best interests of our country.

Imperiling the country because an intern flashed her thong is part of Bill's legacy. I understand he was targeted, but there is no freaking excuse in the world for him starting an affair with another employee (which always raises the possibility of a sexual harassment suit) when he was still being investigated for a previous solicitation of an employee for sex which resulted in a sexual harassment suit.

Obama's chances grow dimmer and dimmer, but perhaps that's your goal.

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:shrug:

I think he needs to work on that legacy some more.

and why does Obama want Bill to help him?

You're wrong as usual.

Yes, a legacy of being impeached and getting caught like an ass. A legacy of signing NAFTA.

I'll never understand why people loved Bill Clinton so much. I thought he was a shitty President. He turned the Democratic Party into Republican Lite.

We don't expect much from our Presidents anymore...that's the only reason Slick Willy has a positive reputation with anybody.

I wish I had been alive with FDR was President...then I would have had a President I could have looked up to...before Obama came along, anyway.

as most conservatives did.

taken seriously after Obama loses by 20 points. That's why it would be incredibly gracious of Bill to help Barack after everything he did to him.

But this self-righteous talk about Bill "redeeming himself" is very telling. It highlights how arrogant the Obama camp is. If Bill helps Barack out then that means Barack is graciously allowing Bill to redeem himself. Unbelievable.

This attitude is why the party is divided.

Steve

How dare they.

Obama has so many things wrong with his campaign and has such a resistance to learning from his mistakes. The chances of him screwing up and wasting the goodwill of Bill's efforts are great.

True leadership is taking risks and knowing how to reach out to voters who don't agree with you. Obama doesn't have it, and worse, doesn't think he needs it.

He'll figure it out some day, but we shouldn't lose a chance at the WH on Obama's learning curve.

attribute this?

Bill should stay home.

She's not entitled to the nomination and it looks like she isn't going to get it. But Obama could be assassinated, so she better stay in until the convention just in case.

let-us-manage-to-somehow-piss-off-every-Obama-supporter-over-and over-again-even-though-we-can no-longer-mathematically-win pony, yes it will indeed be up to the clinton's to unleash the unity pony...said pony also known as a Unitycorn.

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Bill gets a little bit of his reputation back?

Its based on many years of hard work and real accomplishment.

Obama's smears are temporary and hurt Obama more than they hurt Bill.

And a lot of things that were Republican (ask my Dad, who had to pack up the factory he worked in and ship it to Mexico).

Then near the end Bill embarrassed himself, his wife, and our country. He gave the GOP exactly what they wanted, and they ran with it.

I haven't heard Obama smearing Bill. I have heard Bill whining incessantly about how it is his wife's turn, but she lost a contest. She had the advantage at the beginning, but Obama out-campaigned, and out-inspired her. She lost fair and square. Bill hurts his reputation even more by whining.

good luck with that one.

"unity pony"?!

I'm sure that's the Xerox-style bumper-sticker phrase that'll tip the scales and convince the Super-D's.

:rofl:

I really wonder.

Someone said I was two weeks too early to start this, but here I go anyway. :D

voters. :shrug:

They're flailing.

Stay away from them Obama. They're toxic.

Seriously, who doesn't love them?

They're so cuddly!

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Did Cindy steal all your pills and you got close to the computer again?

Sometimes asking for something is a way to show respect for someone. It is also a way to give them access to a process. I have also found that asking a "favor" of someone is a very good first step towards healing a breach. In a time of heated conflict, it takes humility and a measure of grace to ask, and puts the other in a position where they can "save face" and allow a healing of the relationship to occur.

need I say more?

Arrogant Obama quote of the week...

“Bill Clinton will give permission to Hillary supporters to come into our camp and become one party."

Here's some news for Obama - women don't need permission from you to do anything.

Permission ... damn words are tricky things.

If Bill Clinton were to ask you, personally, to vote for Obama, would it make a difference to you? What if Senator Clinton asked you, in person, to vote for Obama, would you? That may be your next challenge, if Bill and Hillary are the sort of Dems I wish them to be.

a word that succinctly encompasses Obama and his lackeys' attitude towards women. He continues to flounder and thrash, digging himself ever deeper where women voters are concerned.

but they will have no say on how I vote in November.

Honestly, I think this was an attempt to show respect for Clinton in a season where respect from either side is in perilously short supply. Unless we want to be in conflict forever someone is going to have to be willing to humbly extend an olive branch... and someone is going to have to be willing to humbly accept it. Humility is hard, but unless we want to bicker amongst ourselves forever... and thereby hand mccain the presidency... we have no other alternative.

particularly in his slash and burn primary campaign tactics. He has caused huge divisions within the party that will take many years to heal.

Anyone that careless and in experienced can't win the GE. Period.

You need to have a talk with him. He's the only one who can save his campaign.

Have a talk with him, I mean. My 9yo son saw a fellow leaving the car rental place today and he exclaimed, "Look Mom, there's Obama!! Let's go say HI to him!!" Oh, baby, I wish, lol. But that's not likely to happen now is it?;)

Apart from agreeing on the unliklihood of my being able to have a talk with Obama, I suspect you and I would have little to agree with on the subject of his candidacy and I have little interest in continuing a conversation that contains so much vitriol and so little humor, kindness or grace. Never mind.. I wish you well. Clinton is fortunate to have such a dedicated supporter in her camp.:)

and what is best for them.

That is what I do and it gives me peace of mind and committment to turn our country around. It also makes me less tolerant of Democratic leaders like Obama who do so much damage to the party and its candidates.

Obama isn't important, my family is.

I haven't asked anyone's permission to do anything in my life since I was 18 years old. I don't need Bill or anyone else's "permission" to vote for Obama. I will do whatever I please, thank you very much.

I see by your low post count that you must be a ....

There is a whole chapter devoted to that very concept. Good call.

I've never read the book, but I'll have to put it on my reading list!

Matthews doesn't have a clue when it comes to women voters, either.

but his book is still a fascinating read.

and me
and you

That's the way the unity thing works. Seriously, McCain frightens me more than the current pResident. I don't understand why we continue to stoke the flames between us.

Our candidates are the Wedge Issue this election cycle. No "values based" petitions necessary this year.

If someone had treated MY wife that way, I would SPIT on them before I would embrace them. And the country be damned.

"If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country."

-- Edward Morgan Forster

Dem leaders need to learn from this experience and try to prevent the splintering of the party instead of facilitating it through acquiesence to Obama's petulant demands.

The Democratic Party is better than Obama.

I would have beat them to the ground and then kicked them to the curb.

Bob Barr is now running for the Libertrian Party. He will siphon a lot of votes from the GOP, but none from the Dems.

The truth is that not all of Hillary supporters will vote for Obama, but hopefully the numbers that can't be attracted from Hillary may be less than those that Barr will get from the GOP.

To tell you the truth, it kind of creeps me out that so many Hillary supporters apparently approve of using assassination as a campaign tool. If they don't all make it into the Big Tent, perhaps that is not such a bad thing.

I hope you will embrace the concept when the time arrives.

which are the product of inexperience.

Good Dems don't trash the party's legacy and leaders like right wing GOP fools then ask for them to help get them elected.

Good Dems know how to win a primary without destroying the party.

Maybe eventually. Good luck to you.

"Good Dems know how to win a primary without destroying the party."

Thanks for that jewel.

I'm pissed off that you can't be both an Obama fan and a Big Dawg fan anymore. I still want to be both.

Isn't that the whole point?

Obama is no Democrat, he's just pretending to be one until someone comes along with a better offer.

and not just pulling everybody's leg around here, you are one scary person :-(.

At some point, they just start to make crap up.

Obama is accepting it as politics but as party member he is saying onlythey can now heal.

I wish that if Obama becomes the nominee, Bill and Hillary take a nice vacation and then let the "uniter" attempt to heal the party without their help.

Funny how the party leaders expect the Clintons to break their backs trying to get this guy elected after treating Hillary in a dismissive and disrespectful manner for months now. OK, if Obama is sooooo great, let him unite the party on his own.

So what is it?

Now that Obama kicked the Clinton Machine's ass, he (and we Democrats) have to wait The Fingerwagger to tell his followers to vote for the Democratic Party?

Ewww wait... it's a conspiracy! It's a cover-up! The Fingerwagger knows all... except how to get his wife to win... unless they cheat. Then again, The Fingerwagger knows a thing or two about CHEATING.

Time to turn the page...

same shit different day

But Bill WILL help should O get the nom.
Don't think he will though.

not just a "spouse" of a candidate, and he should realize and want party unity as much as anyone, and I'm sure he does. He has said himself that it's rough in a campaign and if you don't want to play, don't suit up, can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, yadda...

He is trying to engage Clinton in coming together to unite, and you ask where is Obama's uniting? :think:

thanks for spelling out why in your OP

I on the other hand am fine with getting only half of Clinton's base as threatened. Considering a healthy percentage of her votes are Operation Chaos, I think Obama will kick ass in the GE, and the rest of those Clinton supporters irretrievably choking on their own bitterness can pound sand.

the Clintons would need Obama to help bring his supporters to her camp. I think he would do so without expecting anything in return. He would do it for the good of the party.

Obama seeking Bill's help is a no-brainer. He would be foolish to at least not try, just as Hillary would be foolish if she was the nominee and did not try to recruit Obama's. I have enough confidence in Obama to believe he will not grovel - he shouldn't have to - but he
should make the effort to get the Clinton's support.

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:rofl:

You're too funny: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6137173

Thanks for the laughs Ozark.

He compliments Bill and spotlighte the divisive nature of Hillary's campaign in a single statement.

When the Obama team started the nonsense about the Clinton's racist moves it did a lot
of damage to loyal Democrats and painted her voters as racists for voting for her.

Most people I know do not cotton to false accusations about their beliefs. The whole rancid
set of attacks were not needed and they should have stayed with change instead of faux outrage.