(Hillaryland: May 27,2008, 3:00 P.M. EST)

American voters were stunned today when Hillary Clinton campaign headquarters issued a press release announcing that she has just won the presidency of the United States in an unprecedented landslide.

Desperate to prevent the frontrunner and odds-on favorite, Barack Obama, from “stealing the presidency” away from She Who Must Be Obeyed, the Clinton camp decided to simply move the election to May 27th, and notify only Hillary supporters of the new date through “members only” websites, emails, phone calls and secret messages via decoder rings.

“It was a gutsy move,” said a beaming Bill Clinton, “but it paid off big-time.” When questioned about the ethics of skirting the rules, the will of the people, and the role of the delegates and super-delegates, the formerly-respected president stated that such trivialities should not be allowed to stand in the way of the inevitability of his wife’s presidency.

“Hey, it’s not like ya'll shouldn’t have seen it coming,” he chuckled. “We’ve been changing the rules of the game, along with the goalposts, for months now. If the American people had been paying attention, they would have known we weren’t beneath pulling a fast one like this. Women like Susan B. Anthony and Rosa Parks didn’t accept the rules either. How is this any different?”

Obviously enjoying the limelight that seemed to have dimmed and all but faded away in the past few weeks, Bill went on to detail the factors that he felt led to Barack Obama’s sudden defeat. “You know, all this talk about change, hope and optimism for the future just didn’t resonate with white hardworking voters.”

“But if I had to point to one thing that did him in, it was the blatant lie about there being 57 states,” said the country’s soon-to-be First Man, wagging his finger at the crowd. “People just don’t want a liar in the Oval Office.”

When pressed on the obvious point that Obama’s name was not even on the ballot, WJC conceded that this may have played a role, albeit an insignificant one, in the previous presumptive nominee’s inability to win the GE, adding that the fact that Obama didn’t know about the pre-emptive election was glaring proof that he lacked the necessary political skills and experience to lead a nation.

Perhaps the most insanely jubilant of Clinton’s inner circle was Terry MacAuliffe, who could not contain his now-famous berserk behavior in a CNN interview earlier this afternoon. “I told ya so,
I told ya so,” he shouted over and over before being led off-camera to finally be heavily sedated.

In answering questions about Hillary’s incredible success in a Larry King interview taped earlier in the day, Hillary campaign insider Lanny Davis pointed to the qualities that their selected voters most wanted in a POTUS: “Her heroic combat duty, her lack of ‘bitterness’, her willingness to admit mistakes – they were all factors,” he opined. “But the fact that she’s a woman and it was her turn really resonated with the pots-and-pans demographic. It’s obvious that’s what sealed the deal.”

While the Hillary camp touted their totally unexpected win, angry protesters who had gathered outside HRC HQ were reminded by a Hillary spokesmanperson that their fury over such a blatant affront to the democratic voting system was futile, as the votes had been “counted, recounted, and counted again”.

Finally reached for comment after his afternoon nap, Senator John McCain, who had also been a candidate before the unscheduled election took place, took the news stoically. “In effect, this changes nothing. I knew I was going to lose anyway, I just never thought I’d lose to her. Thanks for nothin’, Rush.”

Sadly for her 6 months later....that was also not true.

She polls well 6 months out....after campaigning for some reason she goes down.

I blame this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UefSpWGD19k

It's not a tune I'd want running through my head all day.
:rofl:

"What's NEVER going to happen?"

Name a liar, a crier, and a denier.

are we aging ourselves?

Name the 2008 Democratic Presidential Candidate, President Elect and Clinton nemesis.

______ ______.

By next weekend Barack Obama WILL BE the 2008 Democratic Party's candidate.

Jimmy Carter substituting for Johnny Carson (JC>JC) here:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2562414520080525

Delegate counts here:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-endorsement-notes.html

Kevin Rodriguez (VI) switched from Clinton to Obama and switched back again today. What gives? Zero change for the day.

SD's, please find a spine. By my calcs I'd like to see about 13 SD's added to Obama's camp by Friday. Not required, just a comfy zone for me.

the answer first.

:rofl:

Boy what a load of hogwash. I have never seen so much negative smearing of an American politician since the attacks against Nixon. The media and many in the Left (forget about the Right!) have twisted, selectively cropped and maligned Hillary Clinton incessantly. You all will love the democracy you are creating for yourselves. Obama will not win the general. He CANNOT win if he can't take places like West Virginia and Kentucky.
Why don't you all avail yourselves of the Chicago Tribune article from July of 2007 Obama's Big Fish article about who really is backing him, the Annointed One. If his Big Bundlers aren't Republican I'm the Great Karnak. Then check out this week's New Yorker article about the Republican Brand troubles wherein the author quotes memos from Pat Buchanan in the NIXON YEARS plotting to RIG the Democratic Ticket with a BLACK candidate to divide the Democratic Party.

You so funny!!! And spelling is not your forte!

enjoy your stay.

If they could, they would.

like "The Truman Show". And get 20-30 people to pretend to be her staff, and call her "madam President", and let her live in her little dream world somewhere in West Virginia.

She's happy, we're happy - it's win-win!

But yours will be easier with present-day technology.

The holodeck breaks down with alarming regularity.

The safety protocols are offline!

All the holo-bad guys have the speed and agility of Data!

Professor Moriarty thinks he's real and takes over the Enterprise!

I'd almost be afraid to use it;)

You'll remember in the Truman Show, he was DUPED by unscrupulous people. Hillary is not duped. She is not in the dark. She just refuses reality....much like the Bush Administration.

So, no need or a Holodeck or even fake staffers... a padded cell with a few orderlies is all that is needed.

"A Diamond as Big as the Ritz," about a family so rich that they've been able to keep a private fiefdom without interference. They even have slaves. It's by F. Scott Fitzgerald, who apparently didn't think The Great Gatsby was rich enough.

Anyway, Hillary would be happy in that world.

In fact, if we could get the set completed in the next two weeks,and trick Bush into moving there, we can let him nuke Iran again and again - at least according to computer simulation.

And maybe head off the nuclear strike that was planned for reality.

One among many great lines.

:rofl:

Great stuff as normal. Thanks.

drugs ....mmmmmbbbbaaaaaddddd :sarcasm: :evilgrin:

:smoke:

or if they're not hiring you could maybe try for the RNC - they're always looking for someone who's good at trashing Democrats.

... to really "trash Democrats" when they actually act like Democrats?

You?

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Tell you what, Ms. Greggs - with friends like you, Obama doesn't need enemies.

I've always thought a big laugh is a really loud noise from the soul saying "Ain't that the truth."

- Quincy Jones

:applause:


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she was talking about hillary

Hillary was a Democrat.

of the past tense in your statement.

GK

This did make me chuckle a bit.

sorry.

Hope they have some horse tranquilizers! :rofl:

:rofl:

won the general election.

They might issue something, however, announcing that she won the popular vote after Montana and Puerto Rico. lol

Jon Stewart played it tonight and then screamed something like (paraphased) "The General Election has not happened yet, how is she leading in it." ;)

until nov when you go vote for obama

She may have won a plurality of the vote including MI, but she did not win a majority.

Why not just own up already?

And it sure ain't the gal in Toronto. :hi: :applause:

Oh, wait. He was already in the clubhouse toasting his nomination.

sums up this primary season.

Just waiting for the final boulder to fall on her head.

Beep beep!

all the Latino votes. Won't all the Latino's here be glad to hear that. I guess Obama should say that the people who vote for him in the two states that are left represent the rest of the USA. GEEEESH!!!!!

Good one Nance.

How sad is that?

K&R Nance.

her lack of ‘bitterness’, her willingness to admit mistakes – they were all factors,” he opined. “But the fact that she’s a woman and it was her turn really resonated with the pots-and-pans demographic. It’s obvious that’s what sealed the deal.”

Not to mention that she's WHITE!

This little history lesson may provide a source of inspiration on what we might be able to do to solve the current situation somewhat along the lines outline in your OP.


In 1970 Leonard Casley grew frustrated at the lack of cooperation from the Australian governement and decided to succeed from Western Australia. He founded his own state and calls himself "His Royal Highness Prince Leonard I".



They issue stamps coins have their own flags and seals.















http://www.huttriver.net/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Leonard

Principality of Hutt River

It is governed by its founder Prince Leonard and his family, including his wife Princess Shirley and son and heir Crown Prince Ian.

Since 2 September 2004, Hutt River Province Principality has accepted company registrations. At least one company experienced in the registration of entities in traditional offshore jurisdictions (British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands etc.) has been authorised to act as a registered agent for HRP incorporations.. A variety of Licenses are also available. No Australian resident is allowed to take advantage of this legislation.

Hutt River also allows car registrations, including issuing of licence plates to overseas vehicles.

The Principality has only one settlement, called Nain.



In 1969, in response to a long-running dispute with the government of Western Australia over what they saw as draconian wheat quotas, Casley and his associates resorted to a British law (the Treason Act 1495) which they felt allowed them to secede and declare their independence from the Commonwealth of Australia. Casley states that he nonetheless remains loyal to Queen Elizabeth II. Casley was elected administrator of the new "sovereign state" by his family and later styled himself His Royal Highness Prince Leonard of Hutt.

In the early 1980s Hutt River Province declared itself to be a kingdom, but soon afterwards reverted to its original status of a principality. The principality proceeded to release a veritable flood of stamp and coin issues.

The Australian Government's official current position on the Principality is that it is nothing more than a private enterprise operating under a business name.

In September 2006 Prince Leonard decided to officially change the name to "Principality of Hutt River" and dropping the word "Province".<1>

Royal Family

Prince Leonard is the name and title that has been used by Leonard George Casley and his supporters since his creation of the Hutt River Principality, the oldest and most widely known micronation in Australia. Prince Leonard is the Sovereign of that entity, which he claims is an independent state — a position that is not supported officially by the government of Australia.

Prince Leonard pursued a number of occupations before purchasing a large wheat farm near Geraldton, Western Australia in the 1960s. In 1970, after a long-running dispute over quotas with the Australian Wheat Board, he declared the "secession" of his 75 square kilometre property from the Commonwealth of Australia, based on his unique interpretation of British and Australian constitutional law.

Despite his advancing years the Prince is known as a keen-minded "bush lawyer". He is also an adherent of hermeticism, a subject on which he has privately published a number of research papers. Casley is married to "Her Serene Highness Princess Shirley" (née Shirley Butler), by whom he has seven adult children, among them "His Royal Highness Crown Prince Ian" (Ian George Casley, born 1947), who has been designated as his eventual successor as "Sovereign Prince".

Many Australians are somewhat familiar with the Principality of Hutt River and know of "Prince Leonard". Some Australians view him affectionately as a harmless eccentric and view his tenacity in taking on "big government" with wry amusement, while others believe him to be looking for a fight where none exists. He is the subject of a permanent exhibit at the National Museum of Australia, in Canberra, an exhibit that acknowledges the fact that the Principality of Hutt River has successfully seceded from the Commonwealth of Australia. <2>

Secede?

Or did I miss something?

Sorry 'bout that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_A._Norton

Joshua Abraham Norton (c. 1819<2> – January 8, 1880), the self-proclaimed His Imperial Majesty Emperor Norton I, was a celebrated citizen of San Francisco, California who in 1859 proclaimed himself "Emperor of these United States"<3> and "Protector of Mexico."<4> Born in London, Norton spent most of his early life in South Africa; he emigrated to San Francisco in 1849 after receiving a bequest of $40,000 from his father's estate. Norton initially made a living as a businessman, but he lost his fortune investing in Peruvian rice.<5>

After losing a lawsuit in which he tried to void his rice contract, Norton left San Francisco. He returned a few years later, apparently mentally unbalanced, claiming to be the emperor of the United States.<6> Although he had no political power, and his influence extended only so far as he was humored by those around him, he was treated deferentially in San Francisco, and currency issued in his name was honored in the establishments he frequented.

Though he was considered insane, or at least highly eccentric,<7> the citizens of San Francisco celebrated his regal presence and his proclamations, most famously, his "order" that the United States Congress be dissolved by force (which Congress and the U.S. Army ignored) and his numerous decrees calling for a bridge and a tunnel to be built across San Francisco Bay.<8> On January 8, 1880, Norton collapsed at a street corner, and died before he could be given medical treatment. The following day, nearly 30,000 people packed the streets of San Francisco to pay homage to Norton.<9> Norton's legacy has been immortalized in the literature of writers Mark Twain, and Robert Louis Stevenson who based characters on him. In December 2004, a resolution was made to name the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge in honor of Norton, but the idea did not progress further.<10>

I love Norton, but he's too kindly a soul for HRC to follow in his footsteps. Still,we could get her a little hat that matches her pantsuit and everything. ;)

:7

They would appreciate the irony, I'm sure.

After this last weekend, I needed a laugh.

You're down in the gutter now.

Why?

Just wanted to join in the fun. I've seen literally hundreds of posts over the past few months outlining the various scenarios by which Hillary is going to wind up as the nominee - all relying on counting votes she agreed wouldn't count, breaking rules she agreed to abide by, 'fuzzy math' calculations that include illegitimate votes while discounting legitimate ones, etc.

Just figured I'd throw out the ultimate "How Hillary Can Still WIN by Cheating!" scenario.

I decided to join you. ;)

great job!

you have to be a card carrying Clintonite to have that kind of fun

Hillary has been in the gutter now for months and you still support her.

Wow, all of a sudden, you're playing hardball!

And not just a sentence or two, but an entire, long, complex post!

That's a gutsy move!

I'm a little taken aback, I must say...

You go, girl!

:yourock:

Just really had it with all of the GOP-type slams against our nominee, Obama, over the past while. I guess the staunch defenders of the "assassination" comment put me over the edge ...

and I "hear" Big Dog's voice loud and clear and true.

Well, not 'true,' exactly.

Wonderful.

Thank you.

I can have ice cream for desert?

Just kidding. I love the piece. It is amusing and I have rec'd it too.

so there.

How to lie, cheat and steal your way to the Presidency.

wow, smart thinking.

of Norton the 1st; this, along with the remarkable resemblance to the Romanovs, means she is Empress of America and Mexico and Tsarina of all the Russias..

There are also credible rumours that Elizabeth II has privately admitted that the House of Windsor stole the Monarchy from Baron Hillarion of Rodham in the 12th Century. The British Government may be seeking to amend the British Constitution to allow the succession of the Once and Future Queen Hillary the 1st to the Monarchy of Great Britain and Northern Ireland!!!!

In late breaking news we understand that representations are being made to the Supreme Court to reverse the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo! If this credible challenge to the verdict of History is successful then the French Government will have to step down and install the heir of Napoleon to the throne of France. By amazing coincidence it has been revealed that, far from dying on St Helena, Napoleon emigrated to the USA; in his will he left all his goods and titles to the family that had been so good to him upon his arrival in the States - the Rodhams!

As a note there is no confirmation, yet, that Pope Benedict has abdicated in favour of Hillary (More details on Hillaryis21again.com)

Of course she won. She`s a fighter. She`s a winner. She`s ready to lead on Day One. She can bowl. She can throw down shots with the Big Boys. SHE`S WHITE!!!! She`s more experienced than any human being on the planet. Her husband used to be the president. Her daughter will someday be president. Robert Kennedy thought he`d be president, too, but look what happened. SHE`S A WOMAN!!!! Real working people love her. Unreal lazy people went for the Black Mus--m, as far as I know. She knows Mark Penn and Richard Mellon Scaife real well. She`s willing to bomb things...like Iraq...if we have to. USA! USA! USA!

Put a smile on my puss early.

That's hard to do!

that will show you all

More proof the "Greatest" page should be exempt from GD-P's giggling.

I swear to god they either sold their souls to the devil or someone is holding a gun to their heads.

Most of us have moved on to bigger and better targets. Obama has. Many of us who had mixed feelings about both candidates, and could support either one, have. It's McCain time.

Credibility is a precious, and fragile, thing.

http://www.durfee.net/will/media/ToldYaSo.wmv

I miss that show...

My decoder ring said "Drink More Ovaltine"

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so...aromatic.

What's next?

K&R

Instead of fashioning satires on the list of smears cooked up by the Obama campaign, we need to be considering how to get back some of the 12 millions Democrats who are furious at Obama for his dirty campaign.

Up to now insults have not done the job. Go figure.

Obama is already losing in the polls. His momentum is a thing of the past. His wife scares everybody. His fans are fucked in the head. He has driven out half the party. His negatives are the only thing that have skyrocketed.

Factor in a lot of shady political connections, an ever-growing tendency to make gaffes, and the Democrats he's turning off, you have a electoral wipe-out coming on.

It's time to drag out the Unity stuff.

Here's what's going on:

... comment, and editorialize.

"satires (based) on the list of smears cooked up by the Obama campaign"

The sniper-fire lie? The 'ahead in the popular vote' lie? The 'hard working WHITE Americans' comment? The assassination reference? These were all "cooked up" by the Obama campaign?

The "12 million Democrats who are furious at Obama for his dirty campaign." Exactly where did you get that number?

"Obama is already losing in the polls. His momentum is a thing of the past. His wife scares everybody." Have a link to those 'facts'?

I especially enjoyed the comment "Up to now insults have not done the job. Go figure." - followed by "His fans are fucked in the head."

I will agree with you on one point: It is time to 'drag out the unity stuff', and unite behind our nominee, Barack Obama. Apparently the Obama supporters are already there. It is up to the Clinton supporters to accept that their candidate-of-choice lost the race, and join with us in beating McCain.

:rofl:

Now the republicans have one more dirty trick in their bag!

Hilarious, Nance. :rofl:

*plonk*

Reality: give it a try.

I've been a regular visitor to DU for many years although I seldom post; I even contributed at one time. That's why it's really pathetic to watch everyone swallow the "Obama" flavored Kool-Aid that is being passed around by many here at DU. The media has jumped on the Obama bandwagon and has distorted and sensationalized everything the Clintons have said. Many DU'ers have joined in to try and destroy the them. I think this short term strategy will backfire in the long run and will help to hand victory to the Republicans in November. Once again the Democrats will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and the United States as we know it will sink deeper into the abyss.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I have heard some funny shit before but that takes it...

Always such a delight to roll my tongue in my cheek as I giggle over your wonderful sense of humor. Please, please keep writing :)

Wow, this is one of the most creative, and enjoyable posts I've ever read on DU.

What a treat!

Loved the following" "pots and pans group"...

and “But if I had to point to one thing that did him in, it was the blatant lie about there being 57 states,” said the country’s soon-to-be First Man, wagging his finger at the crowd. “People just don’t want a liar in the Oval Office.”

:rofl:

and also "...Women like Susan B. Anthony and Rosa Parks didn’t accept the rules either. How is this any different?”"

(So true! That sounds like something they would say. Only when they say it, it's not funny).


How you described MacAuliffe was so accurate! So funny, that it made me sad. "Berserk behavior." OMG...so
spot on. The man has gone totally outer limits, and he thinks he looks good doing it!

I can't say enough about this witty, hilarious post.

7.0 from the American judge!

The theme of the casino can be an imaginary land where Hillary is President. Every Friday and Saturday night Hill and Bill can make personal appearances in a faux Marine One helicopter that delivers them to the front door of the casino, a mock up of the White House.

They should have their money back in no time.

INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INDICT INCARCERATE :patriot:

You made me LOL, Nance. Well done!


Laura

I was certain she'd lose because of her having lost the delegate count, the super-delegate count and the popular vote in all the states that were honestly run contests... but no... no... no... I was wrong! She had it in the bag from the beginning... damn, that Bill is an amazing genius.

:cry:



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LOL!

:hi:

I am quite sure that Molly is laughing!

of Obamaniacs cannot be disguised as humor, nor can it be wrapped in eloquence, and passed off as profound. It cannot be brushed aside by an extended hand, when knowing the other hand has a slime-ball ready to be hurled once the goal of that extended hand has been reached. They have defined their goals, and they do not include any "healing" of the Democratic Party. Once Obama is confirmed as the nominee, if indeed that is the case, what DU, and the rest of the country will suffer, is the circle-jerk confirmation of Obama fan's own conviction that they are the elite, and enlightened of human society. I'm voting for the Democrat in the GE, but I would have preferred casting my vote in the landslide victory that was ours, until an inexperienced, three-year senator became too ambitious, and his supporters took an honorable ideal, and fueled it with hatred, and false accusations. Because of the behavior of Obama fans, we now face the possibility of less than a fifty-fifty chance of gaining the presidency, and Democrats will once again, and predictably, realize that they have been had. I'm beginning to wonder if Democrats will ever learn.
Thanks.
quickesst

"“But the fact that she’s a woman and it was her turn really resonated with the pots-and-pans demographic."

I never knew women could hate other women on this level, and agree that sexism is a minor offense, to be enjoyed, repeated, lauded, and defended, as was evidenced by Obama fan's overwhelmingly favorable reaction to Randy Rhodes "innocent and humorous" labeling of HRC as a "fucking whore".

"I never knew women could hate other women on this level, and agree that sexism is a minor offense..." I am stunned at this behavior on a board where people claim they are "progressive."

This thread is filled with such venom that it makes me sad. We have come so far, but have so far to go.

... and you wonder why we fight back?

"It cannot be brushed aside by an extended hand, when knowing the other hand has a slime-ball ready to be hurled once the goal of that extended hand has been reached."

What a perfect metaphor for Hillary's reaction to Obama's willingness to let her off the hook for her "assassination" remarks. He could have gone for the throat (as she would have, and DID with his 'bitter' comment). Instead he dismissed her outrageous comments, lessening their negative impact against herself - which she responded to by blaming HIM for stirring the pot of her well-deserved criticism.

Re the Obama fan's own conviction that they are the elite, and enlightened of human society: We Obama supporters didn't label ourselves as "elite" or "more enlightened". And Hillary supporters touting that meme over, and over, and over again doesn't make it a fact - any more than claiming a non-existent "lead in the popular vote" makes THAT a fact.

That "inexperienced, three-year senator who was too ambitious" was obviously NOT ambitious beyond his capacity - he's the Democratic nominee. Apparently the majority of Democratic voters think he was just ambitious enough, and at exactly the right time to be so.

Don't talk to me about a campaign "fueled with hatred and false accusations" when you're supporting a candidate who panders to bigots with references to the "hardworking WHITE voters", and claims to be ahead in the 'popular vote' by excluding legitimate caucus votes while including votes in states she agreed would not be counted.

"Because of the behavior of Obama fans, we now face the possibility of less than a fifty-fifty chance of gaining the presidency." The Obama "fans" are solidly behind the nominee, while some so-called Hillary "fans" keep threatening to sit out the election, or vote for McCain. Explain to me again how it's the Obama supporters who are contributing in any way to a possible loss in November.

With respect to: "I never knew women could hate other women on this level, and agree that sexism is a minor offense, to be enjoyed, repeated, lauded, and defended, as was evidenced by Obama fan's overwhelmingly favorable reaction to Randy Rhodes "innocent and humorous" labeling of HRC as a "fucking whore".

I can only say that I never knew that allegedly liberated women would stoop so low as to tell other women how to think, act, or vote - all based not on the qualifications of the candidate, but on gender - or promote the ridiculous idea that NOT supporting the female candidate was equivalent to viewing sexism (real, not imagined) as being "a minor offense". I don't allow men to dictate my views - why should I allow a woman to do so?

Not all "Obama fans" lauded Rhodes' comments as "innocent and humorous" - but don't let facts get in the way of your righteous indignation. And while we're on the subject, can you tell me exactly how many primary votes Hillary lost as a result of Randi's comment?

NanceGreggs is little more than an MSM shill. :) K and R.

I am merely sharpening my claws to go after Obama next - thus clearing your path to the nomination.

I'm working very, very, very deep cover here. Don't blow it.

I wasn't paying attention to the authorship when I began reading, but before I got through the first paragraph I knew it had to be you!

so nobody suspects anything. You are my Armstrong Williams. :)

they know how to get shit done...

and uses it not for the greater good, but for the greater glee of those who revel in mean-spirited humor.

:thumbsdown:

"But the fact that she’s a woman and it was her turn really resonated with the pots-and-pans demographic."

"...reminded by a Hillary spokesmanperson..."

Can't wait for the next installment of "Attacking Hillary Clinton -- in a Very Close Race -- Makes Me a More Enlightened, Liberated, and Intelligent Woman than Her Women Supporters Are!" It all just feels so utterly unifying, surely it's motivating more and more people to get out there and work for Obama! And that's the whole point, isn't it? ... Isn't it?

Or isn't it?

:eyes:

... or any Obama supporter's job to motivate unity here, or elsewhere - especially in light of the fact that it is the Hillary holdouts who are refusing to unify behind the nominee, not the other way around.

And we DO have a nominee; his name is Barack Obama. True Democrats will rally around him, support him, and vote for him in November - because he is the Democratic nominee, regardless of whether he was their first choice personally, or their last.

As much as you might want to believe this is a "close race" that Hillary can still win, the delegate and SD counts prove otherwise.

The fact that she is a woman, or has many women supporters, is of no consequence. I'm supporting the person I think is most qualified for the job, and gender doesn't (and, IMHO, shouldn't) enter into it.

The People (men and women alike) have spoken. The majority have chosen Obama. That's just the way it is.

As for "attacking Hillary", yes, I have - and make no apologies for doing so. She has lied, flaunted the rules, race-baited, and played the victim when it suits her. If she didn't want to be criticized for that behavior, she should have refused to indulge in it.

My point about the close race is simply this: nearly half of Democrats have supported her to one degree or another. Nearly HALF. That is significant when it comes to uniting the party behind Obama. I agree that he's won the nomination. That's why there is NO reason to keep attacking Clinton and offending her supporters. Her numbers are significant and important. We need her voters -- heck, we need some of Bush's voters!! We need every possible vote in this election, in large part because the process can't be trusted.

My only agenda is to win in November. It's disheartening -- even frustrating -- to see people on a Democratic forum engaging in rhetoric that is counterproductive to that end.

My only motivation in going on the attack is the Hillary supporters here who refuse to accept the defeat of their preferred candidate, and continue to attack the man who WILL BE our nominee.

As much as I dislike Hillary (due to her own behavior and remarks throughout this primary process), I'd keep my big mouth SHUT if she were our nominee going into the GE.

But she's NOT, so I won't.

I didn't come into this primary disrespecting her - quite the contrary. She has earned that disrespect; live by the sword, etc.

Your words do nothing to her. So if your gripe is with her, this is non-productive.

If you're carrying a gripe toward her supporters, it's worse than non-productive: it may be counterproductive. If they "continue to attack" Obama, offending them with attacks doesn't seem to be working well toward making that stop. Obama and his campaign aren't going this route for a reason (and it's not about morality or grace or dignity -- it's about political smarts).

If the problem is that her supporters "refuse to accept the defeat of their preferred candidate," why not help increase the chances they might, in any way possible; or at least, don't get in the way of it -- don't make it less likely. Frankly, that may mean getting past your emotional stuff.

... and fed by those who continue to spew lies in order to "assist" their candidate's already failed campaign.

You're right, my words do nothing to her. So why am I not free to say them?

You're free to say them. My point is that if your gripe is against her, your words are missing their target. They are damaging something Obama NEEDS.

First of all, my words don't sway voters either way. They are just rants on a website - nothing more.

Secondly, I have not attacked Hillary supporters, in this OP or elsewhere. I have gone after the words and deeds of the candidate herself - and believe me, you won't find a single post of mine referring to "Hillbots, kool-aid drinkers, low-intelligence supporters", etc.

Obama will be the nominee. It is not my responsibility to sweet-talk any real Democrat into unifying behind him - any more than I would expect to be romanced into voting for HRC, had she been the nominee.

Yes, Obama NEEDS the support of all Dems in November. But ultimately it is their vote to cast - and they can do so in support of our candidate, or withhold their vote and face a McCain presidency.

The choice should be an obvious one - for those who are truly committed to ridding the country of disastrous Republican rule. I have absolutely NO sympathy for those who think pouting about their candidate's loss is a legitimate reason for doing anything other than uniting behind the guy with the (D) behind his name - whether he was their personal choice or not.

She REALLY wants to be the POTUS. I feel very sorry for her.;(

The Clintons have been in control of the Democratic Party since the 90s. Relinquishing that power over to someone who don't even share the same ambitions as theirs is very difficult to do. I can understand their pain.

But times change. We are dealing with a new generation of voters and voters who are sick and tired of the same old politics that no longer works.

It's time for the Clintons to either adjust to the change or move on and find other ambitions outside of politics.

I don't discount for a minute Hillary's disappointment at not realizing a life-long dream.

What I DO have a problem with is her insistence that the realization of HER dream is more important than those who want to live the American Dream - and see Obama's candidacy as the road to the fulfillment thereof.

Welcome aboard! :hi: