Screw Bowing Out: If Hillary Takes The Popular Vote We Take The Nomination

If Hillary seizes the lead on the major popular vote tallies this Sunday in Puerto Rico, http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080523_In_most_inclusive_count__Clinton_has_the_numbers.html">and this piece notes that that outcome is entirely possible, we need to take this race to the convention and ensure that the Democratic nomination reflects the will of the people.

Here's the case:

(1) Hillary can still win it.

There are three major arguments against Hillary's position that she should be selected on the basis of the popular vote:

• That the popular vote used by Hillary improperly counts voting results from Michigan and Florida and that neither of these results should be used;


• That the popular vote tally used by Hillary leaves out caucuses that don't report a vote tally; and


• That the popular vote tally isn't the metric used by the DNC to award the nomination.

Notice that a major win by Hillary in Puerto Rico would take out the first two arguments leaving only the third. Is the third argument a very strong one? Not at all. Will it play well in the media? Hardly. If that's all Obama has left can he still hold onto his super-delegates over the summer? Not a chance.

If Hillary does well in Puerto Rico then the time between next week and the convention will be more than enough for her to force super-delegates to respect the will of the people. Obama's campaign is going to be confronted by the hard fact that his own favored metrics - the pledged delegate tally and the number of states won - are also technically irrelevant to who gets the nomination. What's more, since super-delegates don't actually vote until the nomination, the simple fact that many super-delegates currently plan to vote for Obama in August is irrelevant. Just as super-delegates have switched from Hillary to Obama over the course of the race, it's entirely possible for super-delegates to switch from Obama to Hillary over the course of the summer. That she's pressuring them in the media with the popular vote only makes their job easier.

(2) This is for the Presidency and the President should be chosen democratically. The popular vote is the only democratic measure.

Since it's likely that the Democratic nominee will go on to defeat John McCain and become president, the race for the nomination shouldn't be looked at as simply some internal-party affair. We should apply all the same expectations of fairness and respect for popular will to the primary process that we would apply to a general election. Here's why doing so demands we ratify the people's choice and the popular vote:

• The Democratic party has a long tradition of opposing poll taxes, literacy tests, and abusive vote-ID laws and we should all be proud of that tradition. And it's not like we oppose those policies because we're against raising revenue, or encouraging voters to be educated, or making sure that the people only vote in their name. Rather, we oppose those policies because they act as barriers to that most sacred of rights in a democracy - the right to have your voice heard through the ballot.
  
  So ask yourself whether you would be OK with a general election where the results were majorly influenced by a poll tax. If you're not OK with that - and if you're a Democrat I expect you're not - then why would you insist on rubber-stamping the disproportionate influence of a caucus system with equally significant barriers to voting (ones which disproportionately affect shift workers, parents, and the elderly)? The answer is that you shouldn't and, hopefully, don’t.


• The pledged-delegate system massively violates the principle of one person one vote. See http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Austinitis/7">here for how that works out.


• If Hillary wins the popular vote then more people support her than support Obama. I mean, it's easy to miss the import of this because the fact is right in front of you, but think about it. If you're a Hillary supporter, do you really feel the obligation to back down and not pursue all of our options so that a minority of voters can boss us around and force a candidate we don't want down our throats? I certainly don't, and I definitely don't see any reason not to pursue this as far as we can.

(3) Obama is a weak candidate.

This point has been made by a number of sources (e.g. http://www.gallup.com/poll/107539/Hillary-Clintons-SwingState-Advantage.aspx">Gallup today), and http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll">Hillary consistently outperforms Obama in head-to-head polls against McCain. Hitting on a theme from above, I don't see any reason to risk four more years of Republican rule so that we can cater to the whims of a minority of Democratic voters.

And to the argument that carrying on hurts Obama's prospects in the fall, I say "so what?" If Hillary takes the popular vote, then those of us who support her deserve to win and I don't have any qualms about pressuring super-delegates to respect popular will by destroying their election-stealing alternative. (Let me qualify this by stressing that throughout this entry I'm only talking about the case where Hillary leads in the popular vote. If she doesn't take the popular vote she should quickly bow out and work to help Obama.)

"Clinton's 2008 swing-state victories include Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Arkansas, and -- based solely on popular vote (not delegates) -- Florida and Michigan (her swing states total 105 electoral votes). Thus far in May, Gallup has found Clinton leading McCain in these states by six percentage points, 49% to 43%. McCain holds the slight edge over Obama in these states, 46% to 43%. Thus, as of today, Clinton is clearly the stronger Democratic candidate in this cluster of states where she beat Obama in the popular vote."


But the far-left Obamatrons won't listen. They're throwing away the GE.

When it comes to political theory you're a fucking infant, knowledge-wise.

And her supporters don't realize how similar she is to Bush Jr? It makes my mind reel.

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In your subject line, no less! The Obots exhibit less and less class every day (since I don't see any of them calling you down for it).

I hope you get TS'd, but I'm not holding my breath on that.

Bake

Just let the Hillary people implode as reality sets in. There's no need to spew that kind of garbage.

So the people of those states get no say in this? So much for democracy. :eyes:

to be counted in mich.

How rich.

You keep trying to ignore caucus states.

the popular vote winner. We can stop them from stealing the election by pushing this in the media until the convention.

that things will change?

1) Won Hillary more states than Obama.

2) Won Hillary more votes than Obama.

3) Won Hillary more delegates than Obama.


I see no reason to stop exploiting her testicular fortitude advantage...

that she'll get them to switch away from Obama by employing the same tactics that have caused them to desert her?

With the popular vote plus playing tough she can force the super-delegates to respect popular will.

More bully tactics won't change that.

...of the popular vote?

bitten yet, I'm not seeing where they think this is going to be any different.

you'll be very disappointed. Team Clinton has been trying to come up with excuses as for why they shouldn't count for months. Nobody's been buying what you've been selling so far, and that isn't going to change just because you really, really hope that it will. And you can get as "tough" as you like, but SDs are generally both smart and proud; they haven't responded well to bullying so far, and that isn't going to change on basis of your hopes either.

Really?

And here I thought they were really saggy boobs...

1) wrong
2) wrong
3) wrong

Keep making shit up as it suits you. It's funny!

...for any specific reason - they vote their conscience - it's their role in the nominating process.

You'd better hotfoot it down to the meeting on Saturday and speak right up. I'm sure the DNC will drop what they're doing and go with YOUR view

Put the alcohol/drugs down on the table and back away slowly please!

You folks can't force the SDs to do anything. And grab a clue: The SDs don't want hilly. It's over, deadenders. hilly is done.

...the sooner you accept it, the sooner you can get on with your life.


It is not happening for her. Unless her assassination wish for Obama comes true, she'll NEVER BE THE NOMINEE.


You need psychiatric help.

:rofl:

They aren't buying Hillary's shit. Evidence is her lack of new Superdelegates supporting her recently. If she had them, or has any chance of having them, they'd be public.

"popular vote" total? And what about Michigan, where Obama wasn't on the ballot? I know, never mind. You are not realistic, and you are not helping. The reason not to "force" superdelegates to pick anything is that that's not in the rules, either.

Did you know that the Democratic Party picks their nominee by the amount of delegates garnered in the primary election process? You evidently missed that - it seems to be a very common error around here.

(or any other rationalization of the moment that will help HRC)

And since everything you say in this post has been rebutted a thousand times on these forums already, no I'm not bothering to say any more than that.

thats about as likely....

:rofl:

:hi:

the popular vote winner. We can stop them from stealing the election by pushing this in the media until the convention.

than it has been so far.

I hope you apply your goofy logic to defeating the repubs with as much fervor that your are applying it to defeating the Democratic Nominee, Obama.

are the ones trying to steal it. But what do I know?

I wonder if the really rabid pro-Clinton, Obama deniers will be able to function after Barack gets the nomination?

You guys are nothing but self-centered bullies.

Bill? Terry? Karl? Who?

and then close their eyes and click their heels and then Hillary will win!

with pots and pans to force me vote for Hillary. I wake in a cold sweat. shudder

The SDs are trying to "steal the election" by following the delegate-count rules. Clinton and her supporters seem to have a big problem with following any rules that don't hand her the nomination.

It's over; time for you and your candidate to move on.

Thanks for playing.
Drive through.

Fuck giving caucus states hugely disproportionate influence.

how to apportion its delegates--caucus or primary. If you don't like caucuses, work on changing that for 2012; don't demand that supers undo the election.

to only let people over 45 vote would you be OK with that? The hard fact is that the states chose an obviously undemocratic system and I don't really feel any need not to look to a more democratic metric.

For next time. You're not changing the rules in the middle of the Primary.

Forget it.

The Democratic party already agreed to a nomination process including caucuses. This would include Hillary Clinton, and this would include the superdelegates. You're trying to convince people that agreed to the Democratic nomination process to cancel their endorsements and overturn the delegate count, by arguing that the Democratic nomination process is actually invalid. It's laughable.

(Oh, and your "over-45" business would be struck down by the courts as unconstitutional. You'll note that caucuses have not. Bad example.)

Tough luck for you.

WE don't count, yet she wants states that broke the rules to count.

Talk about illogical logic. :eyes:

by which I mean, invalid math.

she wants to completely ignore caucus states and then add in illegally FL. and Mich, and even then, it won't happen.

You people spin as badly as the Bush WH.

You are as bad as the repugs in FL in 2000.

do *NOT* tell me to google it. I have facts on my hand - http://demconwatch.blogspot.com tells me the unbiased facts, and I check it daily. It *STILL* tells me that Hillary still does NOT have the popular vote.

And in case you weren't aware, Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the GE.

The rules are the rules. Nobody cares if you don't personally like them. Hillary's campaign manager (former DNC Chair Terry McAwful) played a big part in making the DNC rules what they are today. You don't go changing the rules in the middle of the game. If you want to change the rules, start working on it after this election, and before the next.

Not one person here doesn't know that Team Obama wants MI and FL not counted or redone because he LOST there and would lose a REDO.

Reality check? You guys are all for "rules" when you're the one who benefits.

Michigan says, "See you in DENVER."

The MI and FL Democratic parties are to blame for their mess, not Obama.

Too many people stayed home on election day in MI and FL (because they were told their votes would count) to make any claim of legitmacy for those primaries.

He wasn't on the ballot.

You've all been carping about the "will of the people" for months now

So you want to win this on a "Technicality?" How Bushoid of you. A candidate picked with LESS than the popular vote. WOW!

Hey, you want to complain about CAUCUSES? Try not getting counted at all. MI and FL's hearts just bleed for you.

every Hillbot must get stoned......

the nomination. Go about your life and obsess over something (or someone) else.

Then they advocate breaking them.

Be fucking HONEST for a change.

STOP IT WITH THIS IDIOTIC ARGUMENT.

are to be disregarded to achieve Hillary's false "popular vote" notion, then she is nothing more than a crook, and supporters who follow along are of the same stripe. And will also be disregarded, because I don't think anyone in this country is interested in helping Hillary set up a monarchy.

What is interesting is watching the lengths to which some Hillary supporters are willing to go to achieve the new crown. Disenfranchement of voters in FL and MI are decried loudly where it suits her cause. Yet the disenfranchement of those who stayed home in FL/MI and of those in caucus states to pretend there is a popular vote is applauded.

When they are willing to cut out large populations of voters claiming the ends justify the means, then these people are no longer democrats and that is a fact. I no more want that kind of political view to take over my country any more than the religious right - because they have become the same kind of creature who will do anything to maintain their narrow version of reality. Including everything they pretend to dislike about republican politics. Not even remotely interested in this - and thank god that Hillary is being shown for what she really stands for, so that we know what horrific times we have narrowly avoided.

Or simply refuse to acknowledge such an obvious and sensible point. In my state (WA), Obama won in the caucuses 68% to 32%, and that equals how many popular votes?

People need to live by the system we all agreed upon ahead of time. If they want to change it, do it before the next GE/primaries begin.

hillary clinton as dictator of the United States of America.

It ain't happening.

and are hoping the supers will agree to a coup.

The nominee is chosen by the delegate count.

But since you're trying to cheat, let's count all the votes then...the caucuses included. Obama wins that too.

The weak candidate is Hillary Clinton. She lost. Get it.

caucus states? OK! :rofl:

from some of her supporters. She has done nothing to squelch this kind of insane nonsense. Not only does she sanction all this crap, she sends mcauliff out to keep it perpetuated.

It's beyond anything remotely sane at this point. It would be almost amusing if it weren't so diabolical and destructive to this party.

and her supporters are buying her BS, making them angry at Obama through no fault of his own.

That's what you're advocating for.

Luckily, it ain't gonna happen. Hillary has lost, and you need to get off these delusions and admit it -- or just go to Redstate.com and be done with it.

Your choice.

Because I said so

Obama beats McSameAsBush -- Hillary puts him there.

No Question.

That's gonna be my response to all of the "Let's yank the Obama supporter's chains" threads from here on.

Put it up as a post in GDP. Alternative to Let.It.Sink.

when I can post my third post of the day.

;-)

.

Which one is it?

Until and unless you can actually count every single vote cast in every single primary, this "popular vote" nonsense is a red herring. It's false. It's fake. It DOESN'T EXIST.

If this is what Hillary's campaign has come to, then it has already lost. It's over.

Done deal.

But they lost a long time ago.

:eyes:

I detailed this earlier after an extensive mathematical analysis.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6156919&mesg_id=6156919

1.) Obama will win the nomination.
2.) Obama will rally all reasonable dems, independents, and disaffected republicans and win the GE in November.
3.) Folks like you will cry all the way home and all of this astroturf crap disseminated by the Hillary campaign through folks like you will be just a bad memory.
4.) Hillary and Bill will be in the wastebin of history, bill for his mysogyny and hillary for her megalomania.

and is losing, so she just tries to up-end the whole system and change the entire METRIC of how the nominee is chosen?

Because she's lost?

That's so sad. And sick. And pathetic. If I could only win by totally fucking up the entire system and trying to hold the whole damn convention hostage to my temper tantrum, I'd bow out. Yesterday.

But then I have some self-respect.

NO FUCKING THANKS!

K&R

:crazy:

I'll give you this, though. You lead an active and imaginative fantasy life. :rofl:

...Sheesh...

Thanks for wasting everyone's time.

Since they're not allowed to vote in the general election, you can see the problem.

(You agreed by implication when you started calling yourself a Democrat).

If you don't like those terms, work to change them in 2016. For 2008, they stand as they are. And that means that "popular vote" is meaningless (especially when you have caucus states that don't count the popular vote).

Stop wasting space with your mornonic posts.

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If you're talking about CLinton...not so much.

them to. That is the only way we decide on a nominee by delegates. End of story.

you're way off. For just one argument against your wild assertions, if the popular vote determined a winner, Gore would have been in the White House at least four, and probably eight, years. There're too many fallacies in your post that I would have thought it was parody except that I know you to be a Clinton appologist.

- as

at knife point? Mass bangings of pots and pans? Threats against the DNC? SD's? Obama supporters?

Thats right. Keep on changing the rules until little Hillary wins. And when Obama supporters tell you all to fuck off, you'll know why.

and some people don't like it too much, I think.

This is meaningless drivel. I won't even give it the satisfaction of reading it. Just go away and take Hillary with you

the website you're looking for is hillaryis44.com, not democraticunderground.com.

How are people so stupid on here?

In your dreams. :rofl:

BULLSHIT. Rules were created ahead of time and all candidates agreed to abide.

No changing the rules mid-stream. Period.

Step 1: We admitted we were powerless over Hillary - that our lives had become unmanageable

How many times must this be said?

How do you explain that?

Maybe in 1 of them you'll explain how the popular vote is counted in the caucus states that don't take them.

Where were the other 19?

then if we're just guessing at numbers. Are you adding in the Hillary voter they spotted on Mars? Don't forget him.

exactly. You don't really care about that.

They're not pro-war, anti-war, pro-tax-cuts, anti-tax-cuts, pro-choice, anti-choice, pro-health-care, anti-health-care, or anything of the sort.

They're pro-Hillary. And that's it.

You'd be somewhat right. However, the object of primaries and caucuses is not to get the most votes, but the most delegates which those votes generate. Unfortunately for Hillary:

Not all states have primaries
Not all states have open primaries
Some of the caucus states did not issue their vote totals
Puerto Rico will not be voting in the GE

The primary popular vote argument is therefore a total fraud.

:headbang:
rocknation

chop chop

popular vote argument is irrelevant in this primary election.

count of the popular vote, in a year when all states were fairly contested, you might almost have a case. But Democrats elect by delegates. Awww, sorry.

He would have run it up in Illinois, contested Califonia much more, spent as little or no time in the Caucus states either (nobody ever would in a popular vote election).

Again, you CANNOT declare in the 4th quarter that most yards wins, not most points, even if I could make a logical argument that it means that they are a better team, because the game would have been played completely different.

Similarly, if it were most votes, nobody would bother with small states, caucus states, or really anything but major population areas. Which would be fine and all, but only if those are the rules from the beginning.

Basically pledged delegates are selected in proportion to actual or theoretical populare vote. So whoever has more of them, has won the popular vote.

Might as well say...BUT Hillary should win the nomination because she has more shoes than Barack.

:eyes:

I can't wait till this shit is made official and all the destructive whiners are converted or gone.

when you got to be around 11 or 12 and it was sort of embarrassing that you still believed in Santa even though you were too old for it?

Santa Claus is not real. Neither is your argument. I am sorry to have to inform you of that, but at your age, you should be able to handle the truth.

There is no such thing as "the popular vote" in a primary election season. It doesn't exist. It's made-up.

Are there any support groups or 12 Step Programs out there for these folks who believe in elves, the Easter Bunny and the mythical "popular vote"?

major candidate on the ballot, and disenfranchising all of the caucus voters. Why can't you get that.

I don't know about you, but in swing state Pennsylvania I just today saw a McCain commercial trying to paint McCain as a great guy.

As it stands, Obama will be the nominee. Most people do not agree, BTW, that he is a weak candidate. Why do you think the Republicans WANT Clinton to be the Dem. nominee?

But the will of the people who live in the states that have caucuses? Apparently they don't matter.

You are laughably stupid.

the correct impression that most Hillary supporters are stupid.

Change the rules ahead of time, not when it suits you.

Caucus states. You think that they're going to be convinced that the "will of the people", as calculated in decisive part in Hillaryland by the voters of Puerto Rico who don't even have a vote in the GE, should make them support HRC despite the outcome of the caucuses in their states.

Wow. Just wow. I've never actually had a discussion with someone who just fell off the turnip truck before. Thanks for making my day!!

If you "take" the nomination this way the damage done in the process makes John McCain 44. The only people I know in real time who see this as a viable path are Hillbots. There are just not enough of you to win the election.

But if you are going to go down, why not in flames? Right?

bwhahahahha...
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Besides, this is a DELEGATE RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

except using manufactured bogus counts that include Florida and Soviet Michigan, don't give any votes from Soviet Michigan to Obama, and omit estimated vote counts from Iowa, Maine, Nevada and Washington. Not to mention that roughly 300,000 of Hillary's votes come from freepers and dittoheads gaming the system in Operation Chaos. (as much as I dislike the idea of superdelegates, there's a possible reason why superdelegates SHOULD overturn a result.)

If we do the count right - including all the states, and omitting just Soviet Michigan (because nobody knows how many votes Obama would have gotten if there was a real election there), Obama wins, by several hundred thousand votes.

But the Clintons in their Karl Rovian way have deceived their tiny-brained fans into thinking the primary works like the general election, where the popular vote counts.
Her supporters are so stupid.
Hillary voted for the war in Iraq and they're voting for her!
SHE is responsible for 4000+ of our soldiers dying for nothing, yet the Clintonistas will vote for her anyway.
stupid is as stupid does.

what do you think? Save all this money and aggro.

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" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "


Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_

Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "


Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_

Is this the denial stage or the bargaining stage?

I'm going to type it real slow and in Caps

so you will have a better chance of comprehending the Fucking Obvious.

This is how the game is played.

WHOMEVER HAS THE MOST DELEGATES WINS!!!

The same Puerto Rico that doesn't actually vote in the GE? Sorry, time to move on to the "Obama gets abducted by aliens" scenario.