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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:02 PM
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I Guess I Just Don't Get It
I've been pretty inactive lately on the good ol' DU (I think my pony is about to arrive in the mail!!!), But over the last few days I keep seeing posts about "Hillary Wins in Polls Against McCain" or "If She Gets The Popular Vote Then The SD's HAVE To Support Her".

Am I missing something?

Obama is winning. Period. I'll explain my logic in the following and I welcome any counter points of view because I'm always open to being corrected. But in my mind, the first Super Tuesday sealed the deal. And without projecting malice, I truly feel that any other candidate would have dropped out given the enormous lead Obama held over Clinton after that day. It's her choice to stay in, but the consequences of doing so will be on record for history to judge. Anyhow, here are the reasons why the SD's will not change sides for Senator Clinton:

1. She can't catch him in Pledged Delegates. This is the metric set by the DNC and the game the several candidates agreed to play when they chose to run as a Democratic nominee oh so many months ago. Even if they seat Michigan and Florida, she still falls behind. Oh and by the way, I have a feeling The Hillary Support group isn't going to like the outcome of May 31st. It may be a compromise but it's not going to completely benefit Senator Clinton. My speculation is somewhere around 50% of 50%. Of course, I'm just licking my thumb and putting it in the air. Anyhooooo...

2. As much as some of the mouthbreathers on TV would like you to believe otherwise, the Super Delegates will take pledged delegates into account more than any other made up metric now in play. Maybe there's something to 'more states in the electoral college/swing state polls' or the 'popular vote' argument. But even if there was, then howcome the SD's have been continuously flowing towards Obama? Truthbetold, polls today mean nothing - they change. The popular vote is skewed and inaccurate due to caucuses and the MI/FL debacle. The only test which can be quantified at this point is the Pledged Delegate assignment. See my point #1 for amplifying detail on why this is so important.

3. He's run a better campaign. People like winners and his campaign is nothing short of a fairytale (hehe) - y'know, the kind that ends in 'They All Lived Happily Ever After'. We can argue all day about who's the better candidate, but in most people's eyes the better candidate is the one holding the flag on top of the hill (see point 1).

4. This contest needs to end. The next one is just around the corner and there's plenty of work to be done. Most SD's can argue after next week, we've reached the end and they can cast their preferences thus allowing us all to move on.

So, you can argue your new metrics and invented merits all day. You can argue that new polls show that John Holmes has a better shot than Obama at winning the General Election. You can hold your breathe until your face turns blue. It's really not going to matter. We have a nominee. If you choose to disagree, I remind you that plenty is at stake if we lose this election. If any candidate takes this to the convention, no candidate will benefit and we'd be forced to endure another 4 years of a Bush third term. If you choose to vote for McCain because you can't have your way, may I respectfully say, Fuck Right Off.

These people we vote for are politicians, not family members. You don't have to love them to vote for them. I don't particularly like either candidate as much as some of the one's that dropped out. Guess what? That's life. But I tell you this, if Obama doesn't stir your soul, then think about 4 more years of rising oil, dead soldiers/airmen/marines/sailors, unchecked corporate greed and outsourced jobs. Be a good democrat and do what's right.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:03 PM
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1. You don't get it because you expect Hillary Clinton to have a moral center. She does not.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:12 PM
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7. LOL.. Tucker said exactly this on MJ .. That it must have come as a shock
to those who supported the Clintons over the years to suddenly find out she has no moral core, but he'd always known she had no center.

I never thought I'd agree with Tucker.

He also said getting her out of the race was like trying to put a hissing cat into a box... :-)
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:53 PM
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10. LOL! He was right about that.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:23 PM
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14. turns out she has a creamy nougat center
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:32 PM
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16. careful, that may sound sexist somehow!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:49 PM
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19. A stopped clock is right twice a day
Tweety still slobbers over any politician that he thinks of as sufficiently macho.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:06 AM
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20. She is, in fact, a sociopath. She has no moral component at all.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:06 PM
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2. Well said!
"These people we vote for are politicians, not family members. You don't have to love them to vote for them."
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:10 PM
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3. I am with you. on this. Who knows what is going on.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:11 PM
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4. If this goes to the convention undecided, we will lose in November.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:11 PM
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5. You know you don't get it. At last, we are starting to make progress.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:21 PM
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9. who is we? nt.
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:08 PM
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12. In complete honesty I ask you to tell me what I'm not getting.
You offer a snide comment with no substance. Help me understand what I'm missing. I'm open minded.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:19 PM
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18. *crickets*
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 06:09 AM
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23. Best to just . . .
. . . walk past it and shake your head in disbelief.

A perfect example of someone who's still looking up at the sky even though the fireworks ended yesterday.

"Her Turn" . . . and all that . . . . :puke:
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:12 PM
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6. Damn you, anyway...
...for saying this before I did...

BIG ol' K&R!

:yourock:
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:13 PM
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8. To The Greatest Page with this!
No, you do get it.

Rec'd! Kicked!

- as

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:55 PM
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11. Good post.
:kick:
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:16 PM
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13. John Holmes is dead. I think faces turn RED when they're about to vote for McClueless...
...but I'm not sure if it's from shame, embarrassment, or the head is ready to explode.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:30 PM
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15. Great post! Glad you're back!
:hi:

K&R
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:08 AM
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21. Thanks! Nice to see you too !
:hi:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:39 PM
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17. Spot on.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 07:39 PM by BushDespiser12
I am so tired of the selfishness I see here. Sacrifice the country as retribution for your candidate's loss. I mean seriously, :wtf:


Kucinich didn't win, therefore I'm voting McCain! :crazy: Doesn't seem too rational...


K & R

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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:55 AM
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22. Great post. You sum it up nicely.
I can't wait until this nomination is a done deal so we can get rid of the right-wingers among us, who are here posing as Democrats. Right now, all they have to do is say they are attacking Obama because they support Hillary Clinton and they can get away with BS that would not be tolerated at any other time. Because Obama is going to be the nominee, no matter how hard Hillary supporters (the real ones) are working, the wingers are using this time as a free pass to weaken him on Democratic sites.

What some people don't get is that most of these attackers are NOT, never were and never will be Clinton supporters. I don't even think many of the genuine Clinton supporters realize this. They and their candidate are being used.

Dirty tricks are the only strategies left for the right-wingers who will take McSame any day (even if he's not their perfect candidate) over a Democrat. They have pretty much had carte blanch around here lately.

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