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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:43 PM
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The rights of voters in Florida and Michigan didn't matter until she needed them.
Harold Meyerson: Clinton's rules fight isn't about democracy

On Saturday, when the Rules Committee of the Democratic National Committee meets to determine the fate of Florida and Michigan's delegations to this summer's convention, it will have some company. A group of Hillary Clinton supporters has announced it will demonstrate outside.

That Clinton has impassioned supporters, many of whom link her candidacy to the feminist cause, hardly qualifies as news. And it's certainly true that along the campaign trail Clinton has encountered some outrageously sexist treatment. But somehow, a number of Clinton supporters have come to identify the seating of Michigan and Florida with the causes of democracy and feminism -- an equation that makes a mockery of democracy and feminism.

Clinton herself is largely responsible for this absurdity. Over the past couple of weeks, she has equated the seating of the two delegations with African-Americans' struggle for suffrage in the Jim Crow South, and with the efforts of the democratic forces in Zimbabwe to get a fair count of the votes in their presidential election.

The Clintonistas who have called Saturday's demonstration make it sound as if they'll be marching in Selma in support of a universal right to vote. The DNC, says one of their websites, "must honor our core democratic principles and enfranchise the people of Michigan and Florida."

Had Florida and Michigan conducted their primaries the way other states did -- that is, in accord with the very clear calendar laid down by the DNC well before the primaries began -- then Clinton's marchers would be utterly justified in their claims. But when the two states flouted those rules by moving their primaries outside the prescribed time frame, the DNC decreed that their primaries would not count and enjoined all presidential candidates from campaigning in those states. Obama and John Edwards complied by removing their names from the Michigan ballot. Clinton did not.

Seating Michigan in full would validate the kind of one-candidate election (well, 1.03, to give Dennis Kucinich, Chris Dodd and Mike Gravel, who also remained on the ballot, their due) that is more common in autocracies than democracies. It would mean rewarding the one serious candidate who didn't remove her name from the ballot when all her rivals, in deference to the national party rules, did just that.

What's particularly outrageous is that the Clinton campaign supported the calendar -- and the sanctions against Michigan and Florida -- until Clinton won those states and needed to have their delegations seated.

Not a single Clinton campaign official or DNC Rules Committee member, much less the candidate herself, said at the time that the sanctions imposed on Florida or Michigan were in any way an affront to democratic values. The threat that these rules posed to our fundamental beliefs was discovered only ex post facto -- the facto in question being Clinton's current need to seat the delegations whose seatings she had opposed when she thought she'd cruise to the nomination.

Clinton's supporters have every right to demonstrate, but their larger cause is neither democracy nor feminism; it's situational ethics. To insist otherwise is to degrade democracy and turn feminism into the last refuge of scoundrels.

Harold Meyerson, editor-at-large of American Prospect and the L.A. Weekly, wrote this article for the Washington Post
http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/19334969.html?location_refer=Opinion
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:47 PM
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1. Shoulda, woulda, coulda...doesn't leave the rules committee off the hook.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:50 PM
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3. 12 DNC rules committee members are also on Hills campaign
committee. So now what?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:54 PM
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5. So now they have to figure out who will eat the most crow, that's what.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:15 PM
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6. What does that mean?
Edited on Wed May-28-08 07:16 PM by DogPoundPup
It's pretty obvious Hillarys Campaign/DNC RULES COMMITTEE PEOPLE have EATTEN THE CROW but now want to regurgitate it. That shit is long past (PASSED)!!!

edited to add 'passed' as in bowel movement
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:19 PM
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7. You had to ask...and then argue...and then yell...so you've earned your first ever,
Auto message: You're right. I'm wrong. Be happy. The end.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:50 PM
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2. As a Florida voter, they matter to *ME* nt
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:52 PM
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4. Why weren't you active when this was brought up way back then in FL?
Why weren't you aware of what the republicans started and the democrats in the House voted on way back then? Why now?
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:27 PM
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8. Who says I wasn't?
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