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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:34 AM Original message |
Hillary can't drop out because she has no future in NY after losing African Americans |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. Are you a betting man? Or woman? |
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casus belli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. Hillary may very well have permanently damaged her future political prospects. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. If she even cares about them... |
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casus belli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Interesting idea... |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
73. For Hillary, the senate was nothing more than |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. bilary gambled, they lost .. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. She has lost progressives, she has lost the anti-war vote, the youth, the educated... |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
81. I don't know about educated, I have some, but she lost me on honesty. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #81 |
95. Bingo! |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
6. HRC will easily RETAIN the AA vote in New York. |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Obama was the first post-racial candidate until Bill and Hillary got busy |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
62. Double T obviously gets his view of race from Kelly cartoons |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. When race dominates the focus of a politic campaign WHEN our nation is in crumbling ruins........... |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
84. or Faux news. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Um, what? |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. YOU and I can ALWAYS tell a lot about an individual by the company....... |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
45. And what does it say about Hillary that she kept Slick Willie around all this time..lmao |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
76. What did WJC do that was so damn wrong? |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #76 |
101. You view him through your lense, and I shall view slickster through mine.. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #45 |
106. There was a time |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. There was a time, but it has come and gone..slick willie is the douche bag now..baby girl |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
52. I can tell a lot about you by what you think of Rev. Wright. |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
77. Good idea. Some of my family members are AA and my grandson is multiracial and I know they would.... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Using all caps on certain words don't make them more true. |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Everything checks out on this end. I believe SOME overmodulate......... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #90 |
103. You are the one who seems to have issues with race |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. Yeah, I bet. |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. To be expected. |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
85. I am a whitey and the Rev. is alright in my book. I don't know what the hell you are talking about. |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Probably because YOU are NOT paying attention. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Obama is racist because his supporters didn't sit by idly while Bill and Hill tried to hang a big... |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 04:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Oh. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Some DU'ers don't understand that racists |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
56. BUT in order to behave racist (discrimination) you must be "the man" and have the power. |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
78. Thank YOU emilyg!! YES, like hypocrites THEY certainly DO!!!! |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 04:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
32. By what logic? AA in NY have heard the same song and dance that everyone else has. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. AA people tend to pick up on "the cues" - probably through GREATER ATTENTION |
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mamalone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
55. I beg to differ... |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
59. she probably will retain the seat , but |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
80. You do the AA electorate a disservice |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
96. thank you for saying that |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #96 |
105. It's been frosting me for quite some time too. |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
97. I doubt all AA had a meeting to figure out how we are served best |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. I didn't claim to speak for all AA. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
7. The Clintons aren't shy about saying win at all cost and then repair the damage. |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. exactly. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. You sound like Sharon Stone. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. lol. Nice one!! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
47. I look like her too, circa 1990 |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. link with pics? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. on a bad day |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. I gotta go to the restroom. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Stay Classy. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. Oh I didn't realize that you are so lovely AK. Nice PIC. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. thank you so much |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
12. nah, most Democrats (white, black or other) don't really hate her |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. If you don't understand how many people are closely following this race.... |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
38. I know it is a lot. But I have to believe they'll come around our we're fucked. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
87. Not necessarily |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #12 |
41. I don't know what to think about it.. |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I don't know either. Of course, our perceptions are based on our own experiences |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
14. Her Senate seat has NEVER been her goal |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. yes, from a resident of the Stepping Stone State. nt |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. True dat. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
15. She'll have plenty of time to repair the damage to her brand. |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 04:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Has the DixieCrat brand found a revival after 1968? How's that brand of conservative |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
20. She still won every county in ny except tompkins and believe me |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
46. she won NY before the race baiting in SC |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
98. nope SC was before ny, although her race-baiting did get even worse after super tuesday |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
21. Unless someone challenges her in the primary, NY African-Americans |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Aren't NY Republicans pretty liberal though? |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. You've got a point..... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:34 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Then she could be in deep shit. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Yea that's one thing that always bothered me about the "Hillary is tested" argument |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Does anyone have the Jack Ryan vs. Obama polling from before Ryan's scandal busted wide open? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 05:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. ryan was around 45% |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. That polling was also before Obama's convention speech |
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jsmirman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. Bloomberg would DESTROY her |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:42 AM Response to Original message |
28. Oye, here we go again |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 05:15 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. the MSM didn't force Clinton surrogates to use race as a proxy |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
51. see for yourself |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. I've already seen it plenty of times |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. I'm sorry your candidate let you down |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. I'm an Obama supporter |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. African Americans know it when they see it |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Not the ones I met canvassing for Obama |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
79. If it would give them big wins.... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
35. She may face a Primary Opponent |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
36. She only "needed" that job to position herself for the presidency |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
69. absolutely correct. She wanted to be senator as a prelude to the presidency |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
39. I know that I will be actively supporting anyone that runs against her in a primary challenge... |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
43. For even attempting to introduce the Southern Strategy into the Democratic Party process, |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
44. It is the most insane strategy ever it can't make for good work relations either. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
49. HRC isn't doing too well with the LIBERAL wing of the NY State Democratic Party either. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
54. African Americans are 15% of NY State and probably 25-30% of the Democrats. |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Fatal damage to Hillary in NY electorate |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Amen. Inclusive of both liberal and conservative (some social issues) democratic Americans. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
61. I heard Laurence O'Donnell say she has a lot of work to do in NY |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
68. If she thinks she can get Obama supporters of all stripes and African Americans back |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
82. Rubbish |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
88. Don't forget, Hillary attacked "The Bloggers and MoveON", |
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Bensthename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
89. If she cant have the power of the WH she wont take anything else. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
93. you don't know what you're talking about |
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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
94. I think Hillary will be great with whatever she does. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
99. Sorry, you're right |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
100. Oh yeah, because the AA vote is the only support that counts anymore. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #100 |
107. Since white voters generally lean republican, democrats need strong support from african americans |
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invictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
102. Kick! |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
108. She will probably get reelected |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
110. Look what happened to Spitzer. |
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