May 28, 2004. Electoral Polls show Kerry wins the electorate 327 - 211

http://electoral-vote.com/evp2004/may/may28.html

So can you all shove it with the GE polls? You are seriously basing anything on them? Even hillary is basing an argument on them and Bill and Carville and all the Clinton campaign? She was ahead 30 points last June, did she win? No. She lost. Jesus Christ I cant wait till next week. It's going to be a new holiday for me the day Clinton leaves. A new Independance Day!

..and a big thank you.
in other words people, Polls are meaningless at this point

That shows how much stronger a candidate Kerry was than either of our current remaining candidates.

This is going to be a tough election for us.

:sarcasm:

I have been turned off by the constant bashing and racist poo here. And I do agree this is going to be tough, but I think we be fine in the end. Obama has ran a smart primary campaign and he should be ok in the GE.

There are major differences - then Bush was running as an incumbent at around 50% approval - now, he at near 30% and the Republicans are less popular than Democrats. We were a year and a half into the war and far more than half the people were in support of it -now, the majority favor something like set a deadline and get out. The economy was reasonably good compared to now and people had not seen the lack of response that was Katrina. In addition, many more now see the media as biased to the Republicans.

One sign that you may be right on the strength of the candidates is that Kerry (starting in January 2004) outperformed "generic Democrat" vs Bush while all of the 2008 candidates underperformed "generic Democrat" vs "generic Republican at roughly the comparable time. (The poll just tested the top three)

What this means is that WE need to better defend Obama than we, as a party did Kerry. The party had ample ammo to attack the SBVT - by the time they hit our nominee, his records were available on his website, a historian's book completely backed him, all the people on the boats for any medal backed him and the Nixon tapes showed they investigated him - 2 years after the fact and found he was a clean cut war hero - who they then sought to destroy. In Kerry, we had a rare politician/public servant who had spent nearly his entire adult life in public service, all served with integrity and no scandals. The irony is Kerry and the entire party had Clinton's back in 1992 when the attacks in many cases often had some merit - yet - they were unwilling to defend Kerry from blantant lies.

:-(



just kidding. I know what you mean.

:kick: & R