Another Day, Another Lie (or False Accusation of...)

1-Apr-08 $71,418.79
2-Apr-08 $189,854.92
3-Apr-08 $186,973.37
4-Apr-08 $179,922.87
5-Apr-08 $286,461.84
6-Apr-08 $122,374.03
7-Apr-08 $274,365.92
8-Apr-08 $320,460.76
9-Apr-08 $584,038.49
10-Apr-08 $439,132.42
11-Apr-08 $149,963.19
12-Apr-08 $182,003.61
13-Apr-08 $54,795.14
14-Apr-08 $127,429.04
15-Apr-08 $330,311.65
16-Apr-08 $591,464.93
17-Apr-08 $347,865.51
18-Apr-08 $400,893.35
19-Apr-08 $102,681.44
20-Apr-08 $58,556.17
21-Apr-08 $133,441.71
22-Apr-08 $226,294.60

Total raised BEFORE Pennsylvania Primary - $5,360,703.75
Average Daily Receipts - $243,668.35

23-Apr-08 $1,738,154.61
24-Apr-08 $2,578,730.28
25-Apr-08 $787,048.99
26-Apr-08 $314,722.71
27-Apr-08 $126,573.57
28-Apr-08 $203,280.36
29-Apr-08 $432,857.69
30-Apr-08 $9,504,619.08

Total raised AFTER Pennsylvania Primary - $15,685,987.29
Average Daily Receipts - $1,960,748.41

Total April Contributions $21,046,691.04

This Figure does NOT include the $5,000,000 personally guaranteed loan received by the committee by Senator Clinton.
The total receipts including her loan, interest/dividends on cash reserves and other miscellaneous income was $26,911,626.98.


The next time someone attempts to call someone else a liar, it might be helpful to have the facts on your side.

They raised 10,000,000 in 24 hours the day after the PA primary? I seem to remember they did.

Which was a lie.

Please stop, you are making yourself look very silly.

Terry Mac telling me about the 10 million dollar day on MSNBC two days after the primary.

:evilgrin:

His mouth is open.

there is no bottom, no limit to the lies and bullshit.

Anyone but Hillary '08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH7FoqFy39s

Enjoy

5 Million the first 22 days of April
16 Million the last 8.

first you say Hillary did not claim to have raised $10 mill in one day and now you say you get to count more than one day (8?) as one.

it's like saying FL and MI should count. After breaking the rules and agreeing they should not count and acting like a freaking victim.

This feminist is sick and tired of Hillary playing the victim AGAINST A BLACK GUY.

Credit cards take time to process and time to receive the proceeds.

Their story looks more credible than not.

And I have NEVER claimed that she didn't claim she raised 10 million in one day.

not the day they are processed.

There is insufficient evidence to prove she got $10 in one day in large part because she has lied about so much recently I've stopped believing her.

It all depends on who is doing your processing.

Say you use Chase PaymenTech for your processing and you use Compass Bank for your Operating account.

There is a 1-2 day delay for Mastercard/Visa from when you ran the card to when the money actually shows up in your account.

It is even longer for American Express & Discover cards because they are "third-party" transactions.

and she said she pulled in $10 million in the 24 hours after the polls closed in PA>

23-Apr-08 $1,738,154.61
24-Apr-08 $2,578,730.28
25-Apr-08 $787,048.99
26-Apr-08 $314,722.71
27-Apr-08 $126,573.57
28-Apr-08 $203,280.36
29-Apr-08 $432,857.69

Even if it took SIX DAYS to process, she is NO WHERE NEAR $10 million.

But in truth, my issue with her is not her lying over stuff like that. Who cares (except she looks stupid when she talks stuff like $10 in one day and sniper fire.)

The HUGE damage she is doing is trying to make the primary nomination process seem illegitimate based on this infuriating argument that FL and MI should be seated (or the pop vote from those states counted.)

That is not only dishonest, it is dangerous and extremely harmful to OUR PARTY.

Makes me think the only ones supporting her anymore are really republicans. No Democrat would be this reckless with our chances in November.

Do you REALLY think that she raised 9.5 million on April 30?

Nah. That is just when they did there reconciliation.

not because of what the media did to her, not because of what obama has done to her (nothing as far as I can tell). It is what she has done to herself.

Anyone who can argue MI and FL should be seated in full with full rights at the convention is dishonest.

Anyone who argues she won the popular vote because not one person in MI supports Obama is dishonest.

It's MY voting rights she tampering with.

I'm one of the people in the other 48 states who did NOT jump the line and obeyed the rules even though we didn't want to.

I don't care how much she raised on April 23. Problem is. I will never believe one word that comes out of her self serving, self pittying mouth again.

If she were really a fighter, she'd stop playing the victim. It is unbecoming.

But in the last analysis, I'm an Obama supporter because I think she'll lose in November and he'll win.

:rofl:

so, by normal standards, this is called a "lie".

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_campaign_raised_22_million_in_April.html

The Clinton campaign tonight announced that it raised approximately $22 million in the month of April.

“Senator Clinton’s game-changing victories last month turned the tide for this campaign and resulted in an outpouring of grassroots support,” said Campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe. “Just like Hillary, our supporters continue to fight. The support for Hillary continues to grow with each month and we are so thankful to the army of supporters who have assured that we’ll have the resources needed to win the upcoming contests.”

Included in the $22 million total, representing the campaign’s second best fundraising month to date, is $10 million raised by the campaign in the 48 24 hours after Hillary’s significant Pennsylvania victory. This total is in addition to a loan to the campaign of $5 million.

Additional details will be available in the campaign’s FEC report, to be released later this evening.

The exact quote and link were given in the thread that inspired the OP, and the author knows it.

Tisk, tisk.

And you've been given the same quote here numerous times.

I'm curious -- have you able to demonstrate that she actually received $10 miliion in web donations the 24 hours following PA?

That and the fact that she raised 3/4 of her money in the last 1/3 of the month.

It only makes sense.

Campaign officials said they raised $10 million in online donations in the 24 hours after her Pennsylvania victory, the campaign’s best one-day money haul. The contributors included at least 70,000 new donors, the officials said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/us/politics/24dems.html?_r=2&ref=politics&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

from the Original Post here:
23-Apr-08 $1,738,154.61
24-Apr-08 $2,578,730.28 *(Clinton campaign reports to NYTIMES that they raised 10 million in 24 hrs after PA)*
25-Apr-08 $787,048.99
26-Apr-08 $314,722.71
27-Apr-08 $126,573.57
28-Apr-08 $203,280.36
29-Apr-08 $432,857.69
30-Apr-08 $9,504,619.08

:crazy:

Please explain Obama's April 1st numbers.

12.5 Million?

WOW

saying that people who are disputing the amount of money the Clinton campaign claims to have raised in 24 hours after PA are lying.

you provided no proof.
you accused people of lying.
you see the numbers.
you won't address the questions about your candidate.
now you are asking me about Obama.

i'm not a fool, but you think i am.

687%

And raised only 2 million a day for the last 8 days of the month...

Then yeah, they are baseless accusations.

perhaps the Clinton campaign has a response.

Perhaps you could bold it.

:eyes:

All of it was Credit Cards from April 23?

That would be the average daily receipts excluding the last day of the month.

You know...

When people record bank statement reconciliations and other accounting entries...

and I don't see your math.

Besides the last day in a month is usually the biggest day because the campaigns push so hard to get donations in for the monthly report.

Take total of the 8 days of the month following the PA primary. Subtract the last day. Divide by remaining number of days.

An average!

However the last day is the best day and that is the only day that comes close to 10,000,000.

And there is no rational reason why they would.

It is called RECONCILIATION.

if you are, then all your reasoning makes sense (in that context). :eyes:

I have a merchant account myself. Care to provide me with the figures and dates processed?

How long does it take for you to get paid by your MCV/Amex/Disc processor after you have closed the bank.

Maybe they have a crappy merchant account. They dont all operate the same. :shrug:

You make have a merchant account and an operating account at the same bank.

In that case it wouldn't be ACH. It would be a branch settlement deposit.

Not the same bank per se, but the same parent bank. Mystery solved. :hi:

I have a merchant account. :hi:

My bank and credit processing company are not affiliated. The transaction is reconciled when I click the accept button in my merchant processing screen (indicating that I want the pre-approved amount paid out to me for processing the order). That night a batch transfer of funds is sent to my bank, like a direct deposit.

Most people have to wait 1-2 days for tier 1/2 Mastercard/Visa and 2-3 days for Discover and Amex.

And that doesn't even include possible delays for Name/Address discrepancies or fraud suspicion.

It goes to the processing company that accesses the information against the billable address. If the billable address is incorrect, the charge is declined. All that is handled on the credit processing end. Web charges are not the same as the old fashioned slide your card, duplicate copy reciept way, where charges had to be individually phoned in. If there is a fraud hold on the card, the charge will also be declined. IE. When you spend more than $75 in gas on your M/C - M/C puts a hold on further charges until you call. Etc.

ETA: Unless of course you're using some little processing company that does your secure site stuff as well, or one of those pay out 2x/mo places. Which are more common with lower end sites with minimal need for credit card (usually paypal dependent types). And those types of company charge ridiculous fees. No, somehow I think Clinton is likely using a higher end processing company :)

An offline authorization slows the process.

And small difference in cardholder name & address can trigger a suspense.

The claim was that much/most of the money was coming in through internet fundraising, and that goes through the verification checks automatically, just like swiping the card at a retail chain/store. This service is active 24/7, and I doubt HIGHLY that Clinton would want the liability of maintaining credit card data for 3 years, and the required manual processing to accept off-line/online donations.

Certainly I agree that any donation where the charge isn't called in onsite, or going through a terminal will take longer, but those types of charges are far less common these days.

I deal with it every day for multiple on line sites as well as brick and mortar sales. Maybe her campaign is taking a long time to account for the funds, but it's not CC processing that slowing them down. If they knew enough to make a claim of $10,000,000 in 24 hours the funds were either there or they weren't.

It really looks like they weren't.

Her fundraising machine increased their daily take by 687%!!!! for the 8 days after PA.

Not likely.

is.

Those reports do not accurately reflect precisely when money may have been pledged or donated. If you don't believe me, then explain Obama's own reports (and, by the way, I'm an Obama supporter):

For example, here is Obama's report for April.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M5/C00431445/A_DATE_C00431445.html

He lists almost $12.5 million on April 1. Now, if he had really raised that much on that one day, don't you think his campaign would have been touting that fact?

Take at look at Obama's report for March, or February: same thing: more than half of the contributions for March were reported as coming in on March 1. And an even larger percentage of the contributions for February are listed as received on February 29.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M4/C00431445/A_DATE_C00431445.html

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431445/A_DATE_C00431445.html

I don't know why the reporting is done this way, but its plainly obvious that receipts and pledges get bundled together and reported at the beginning or end of the month regardless of when they probably were actually made.

So, while I don't know whether (and don't necessarily believe) that HRC got $10 million in pledges in one day, I do know that whether that is or isn't so cannot be proven by the FEC reports.

It's just another HillHater squealing point.

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And how long does it take the campaign to get paid by MC/V, Discover, and Amex?

Especially with that pesky weekend in between 4/23 and 4/30...

Its done by computers not by monkees in cubicles.

If they take my money in one day. I'm sure that it doesn't take a week for Obama to get it.

Really?

Really?

No.

I wonder if that 10 million was Money Orders

:rofl:

Either the processor pays during the weekend, or they don't.

Which is it?

If I charge someones credit card today, and batch out this evening, I will have the money in my bank account within 48 hours. Even on the weekends.

Because I think that is their argument.

:hi:

My grocery store bill (always on my debit card) can take 4 or 5 days to process.

isn't using PayPal. Who are they some Ebay shop?

Go figure. ;)

Hillary Clinton and her surrogates ... LIE and LIE often. That's not what we need AGAIN, for OUR President. :shrug:

It isn't instant.

It is called "interchange."

Get over it.

She's always lying. Its pathological and I hope she sees someone after this.

of Bob's greatest press interviews at the Boca Raton Holiday Inn after the June 3rd primaries.

He'll be there for a couple of weeks from what I understand.

Because that's what the FEC reports indicate:
Almost $25.5 on Feb. 29 and $16.5 on March 1. And most other days during those two months, the daily total was a million or less.

And the Obama campaign never put out an announcement that they had raised more than a $1 million an hour over a two day stretch?

Maybe that's because you really can't take the FEC daily report at face value.

I don't know whether HRC got $10 million in pledges in 24 hours. I do know that anyone who thinks that the FEC report proves exactly how much any candidate got on a particular date is wrong.

out of hand. What a lovely and SIMPLISTICALLY BIZARRE place "Hillaryland" must be. :crazy: :silly:

I will provide you detailed "lies*" about Obama's FEC reports later.

* - Obviously not lies, just proof how all this stuff actually works.

bad management skills and fiscal irresponsibility.

She hires people based on loyalty too without the proper experience. More bad management decision making.

No thanks.

You left that important point out.

:rofl:

It took a little bit of time to put this together.

I am glad you read it.

Succinct responses, too. Well done.

:grouphug:

You've got DU electrolytes :D

Just because I support Obama does not mean I have to assume anything Clinton has said is false. The fact is we do not know if the 10 million in 24 hours claim is true or not. It might be a lie, but there is no way to use the FEC reports to determine this. And it does not really have anything to do with a delay in funding from credit cards etc. If you look at all of Clinton's previous monthly reports you will see the final day is always dramatically higher than the rest of the month. Basically the campaign is using the last day of the month as the unspecified date/catch all date to place contributions in. It is almost certain that the numbers on 4/30 include contributions from just about every day in April. Looking at previous months, it seems unlikely that the total for any 24 period after 4/22 would include 10 million, as the final day number was not much higher than other months and some of it would be allocated prior to 4/22. That said, there is simply no way to know based on these reports.

I also am an Obama supporter, but as I've tried to point out repeatedly, you can't take the FEC date of contribution reports at face value. Otherwise, you'd have to believe that Obama raised $42 million dollars in 48 hours (check his 2/29 and 3/1 numbers) but didn't say anything in the press about it. YOu'd have to believe that month after month, the money flows in fairly evenly over the course of the month, but on the first or last (or sometimes both) day of the month, the floodgates open. It doesn't happen that way and you simply cannot rely on the FEC reports to prove anything about the amount "raised" on any particular day. Did HRC's campaign get $10 million in pledges, contributions, etc on one day? I have no idea. But I do know that anyone climaing that the FEC reports prove she didn't is mistaken.

Right on!

You can take the rest of the week off!

:P

Taking your fight to a new thread is a no-no. You know that.

I have no doubt you'll get away with it, but knowingly violated forum rules.

This is my thread with my data and my analysis and my conclusions

I posted new data that was ommitted from the other thread.

This is not a duplicate thread.

Please don't accuse me of violating the rules.

It hurts my feelings.

:cry:

I can't wait :)

:snicker:

?

:shrug:

?

Here:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-23-democrats_N.htm

and in all the other links posted in this thread.

Your OP disproves this claim.

ed to add:

23-Apr-08 $1,738,154.61
24-Apr-08 $2,578,730.28


“Since our victory last night — at 10 o’clock at night — to where we are today, as of exactly 2:35, we have raised $10 million online from grass-roots supporters going to HillaryClinton.com, making $10, $20, $50 contributions,” he told more than 3,000 donors who dialed into a conference call with him, McAuliffe and Clinton herself.

“Sixty thousand new contributors to the campaign, brand-new contributors to this effort going to our website, to HillaryClinton.com,” Mantz added. “It is unbelievable what’s going on right now.”


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9889.html



Funny, I don't see the word average in their statement anywhere.

"Campaign officials said they raised $10 million in online donations in the 24 hours after her Pennsylvania victory, the campaign’s best one-day money haul. The contributors included at least 70,000 new donors, the officials said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/us/politics/24dems.html?_r=2&ref=politics&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

this was reported on 4/24 (before they could have added that day's full haul in, the amount raised on 4/23 was 1.7 million not 10 million.

It is not becoming.

what a freakin' hypocrite.

:banghead:

You have all this data, yet not a single ounce of evidence that she raised $10 million in a day. At this point, I don't really care if she lied. Why? She's lost the nomination.

Obama is the nominee.