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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:42 PM Original message |
Top Michigan Democrats Ask DNC To Seat Full Delegation, Note Hypocrisy on New Hampshire Dels |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. I dont have an issue with that delegate split, but I do hav a problem with their argument |
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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. So what? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. They moved their primary to make sure their status of 1st primary in the nation remained |
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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. But why move the primary if Michigan wasn't going to count? |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Ask the MI and FL state legislatures and Governors why |
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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Oh that's right, only the NH legislature can break the rules and get away with it |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. They have a LAW in place, open you eyes and friggin read #4. The law would have to be repealed |
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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. If there was a law in place, why did NH need a waiver? |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. They've been first since the early 1900's- tradition |
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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Oh, it's just tradition, not a law. I guess NH's "tradition" is more important than MI's votes??? |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. It IS a LAW. Research is your friend. Quit being typical. Hillary LOST. Bye. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Its a frigging law. Its in our state constitution. |
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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. And Michigan passed a LAW moving its primary date up also. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. NH's law states that it will be the first primary. |
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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Here's the problem. Both NH and MI passed laws that violated DNC rules, but only NH got a waiver. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. NH's law is not new. |
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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. NH needed a waiver because it broke the DNC's rules - get it yet? |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Youre obviously not grasping the situation. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #47 |
57. "The DNC wanted to preserve NH's first primary status." Well that's not fair. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. No. It's not... |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Thank you. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #42 |
58. I have a real problem with a person who wants to argue the letter of the law, but not the fairness |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. As I said... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. And what authority does a NH state law have over other states? |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. Maybe to cover their ass? |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
50. They Didn't Break Anything, They Were Accredited |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. When they settled on their earlier primary date, Michigan hadnt lost their delegates yet. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I am shocked at these people |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. That's right |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. The DNC should not do that. And what part of they granted a waiver |
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BobbyVan (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Right, the DNC granted NH a waiver, meaning they said the rules don't apply to NH |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. wrong. they granted them a waiver to ensure that they retained the position they were accorded |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. Weren't they supposed to be third, behind the Nevada caucus? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. It beautifully illustrates the arbitrary way they run the party like a country club |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. It'll be 1/2 of whatever they decide on for the split |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. The DNC enforced their rules selectively |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. the also got a waiver |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Which means they ASKED for permission, they didn't just do it and expect it to be counted |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Well, I stated well before the primaries that I thought Michigan should have been moved up |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Did those states ASK for a waiver? I don't think so. |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. There were reasons and they are out there for you to look up if you really want to know. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. Because the plan was decided on two years earlier. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
10. thank you ... I was wondering why CAN'T Michigan go early once in a while? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Ask Terry MacAuliffe he sanctioned them 4 years before |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. thanks for not bothering to read my post |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. read your post |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. You're right...so argue that for 2012 or 2016. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. Because having small states go first is the one advantage thrown to the candidates without big money |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. This I can agree with |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. This is a DLC powerplay. Nothing more. Nothing less. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
45. So the Midwest gets TWO early primaries to everyone else's one? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. "The Midwest" as a term is a historical anomoly |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
24. Each of those signatories are Clinton supporters and super-delegates. |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Well put, thank you! nt |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
35. New Hampshire was exempt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. You point doesn't speak to the FAIRNESS of this DNC rules, however. nt |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I'm only concerned with reality. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. "Fairness is stuff of partisans." ??? Umm, strike that--reverse it. |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Okay...partisans are the stuff of fairness. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
56. Mi should put a Constitutional Amendment on the ballot that mandates that WE have the first primary |
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