If Hillary does not go quietly into the night, her fall from grace will be historic..

Folks are understandably not happy about the level of discord, vitriol, anger, insults, rancor, etc. on DU the past few months. On balance, I hope most of us don't take it personally. Politics is a full contact sport and we came to DU originally for many, many of the same reasons.

If you think Keith Olberman has been on a roll this month, imagine the rants next month if Hillary not only refuses to accept the DNC ruling on delegates May 31st - but attempts to take the protracted fight all the way to the convention floor.

Staying in beyond mid-June may define the difference between Hillary salvaging enough political capital to play a major role in party politics, and forever being banished to the wasteland of has-beens. Or worse yet, the political purgatory where folks named Lieberman dwell.

I for one could still forget much of what has happened, and even afford Hillary compliments for fighting an epic battle --- assuming she exits in short order after June 3rd.

But not in the history of our primary contests, will we ever see such a fall from grace if Hillary (and Bill) decide to take their discontent to the convention floor. Obama needs Hillary supporters to win this fall, but our fight will turn savage if Hillary risks Obama's chances in the GE (((((and a far greater world peace))))) to win.

Our party's implosion would be one for the history books. Lets hope party leaders have the courage to do what needs to happen to keep that bus from driving off a cliff.

The opposite of that would be a stunning and historic Obama win this fall. I far prefer that future. :)

She will be lucky to hold RFK's seat in NY.

Hillary uses the rules and the legal system to gain the nomination. Just like Senator Obama did in his run for Illinois State Senator.

Just like his run for Illinois State Senator.

BIG diff.

That's what it seems like.

Your point?

hillary knows full well the damage she will be incurring on us.

my real concern is that Hillary supporters will swiftboat Obama so she can have another chance in 2012.

Fitting somehow... isnt it?

:sarcasm:

Nominee.

Period.

Grow up spammer.

line response in many threads now.

It's all they have left, to whine and snap about trying to unite as though they have no responsibility in it.

It is childish and pathetic to say the least.

She's already lost the respect of a majority of the party's members and politicians, but she can still have a role if she cleans up her act in time. If she keeps tearing it apart after about June 10th, she will be shunned by the party until her support won't be enough to make noise at the convention in August.

Hillary quits no later than the end of business Friday of next week, much to the surprise of her supporters, who believed she was a "fighter" and would never ever never ever quit.

As you said, her whole political future is about to go up in smoke. And since everything is always all about Hillary, she will think of herself first and dump her loyal supporters in a snap before she lets that happen. I think she'd quit right now, except every time she declares she is in it to win it, she gets a few more donations to pay back her debts. So she is probably thinking why not let whatever little money coming in continue, at least until after the last votes? Past that, her excuse for staying in becomes so flimsy that, well, she'd look really bad....not that it has stopped her before.

But listening to some of her supporter commentators on msm today, and a speech of Hills, I just got the sense that she will quit fast next week, and leave her supporters reeling.

That would be the sane thing for her to do.

BTW, love to play not far from the Deschutes River - I was windsurfing at Rufus earlier in the season (about 7 miles east of the Deschutes along the Columbia River if your not from OR). Gusts to 40 mph! :hi:

Bill will be right there with her. After his crap of yelling, "cover-up" this week, I'm beyond angry. Of all the gall for him to pull this crap. He needs to be uniting the party rather than polarizing it at the expense of trying to get his wife elected president.

as to whether Hillary is bluffing about taking the fight to the convention. She could go after both the pledged and super delegates, and finally challenge the credentials committee. It could get very interesting. It might be a disaster.

If I were McCain, I'd finance Hillary through August.
1) a convention fight would make it harder for party to unify by November.
2) some Hillary supporters (25% ?) say they'd vote McCain over Obama. McCain helping Hillary might attract more of them to vote for him.

I have no idea what she is or isn't planning. I know what i want to happen, and I know what I think will probably happen and I'm trying to maintain a respectful distance from condemnation. Well, maybe the occasional snarky comment, but I'm just having fun. However, if June 4th comes and there is talk of a convention battle, the gloves are off. I don't think the SDs will let it get that far though. And if Hillary is unwilling to accept the outcome of the decision regarding MI and FL, I think it will become clear to her very quickly that she has had a fairly easy go up to this point. It won't be pretty after 6/4.

if we're doing Shakespeare, Wagner, or Kafka.

Peace,
sw

she's getting a look and Feel to her, that it is finally sinking in that it is Over, for whatever Reason, it is Finished.. Time to put the snowblower away, Spring is coming, and that new Life will be Obama and crew..

She HAS to see the pics of Portland, the Sea of 75,000 people, while she has a few clod hoppers picking their noses as the wind blows the tumbleweeds on by..

Really, what does she DO between now and August? The subject is picked clean by her Vultures and the Media.. Unless she gets in a car wreck or near some actual sniperfire, no one will care..

Oops. Just realized that she loves lifting campaign ideas, she'll head to Iraq and SEEK Sniper fire so as to put the Bosnia story to rest.

But mostly no one will Care during that period, there will be Other News..

Like Obama kicking McCain to the Curb :)

the wrath of history.

Obama has the requisite number and officially becomes the presumptive nominee, what do you think will happen? Do you honestly believe that most elected dems will embrace such a move?

Clinton/Lieberman 2012 :evilgrin:

I like Al Gore but he really screwed the pooch on that one.

Ironically... the very same thing can be said for Hillary Clinton.

:shrug:

Better now than in the White House.

Just think how much damage they could do if they were at the helm.

Will kick and scream and keep fighting regardless on the May 31 decision. It's is a me or nobody. She will be sorry if she does this, her and Bill will flame out on their legacy.