Worse Scenario: Hillary pushes this to convention. Party and country are split.

John McCain becomes elected because of the insanity of the Democrats. AND we all know most of this country won't survive another 4yrs of Bush.

If the intention of Hillary is cause enough chaos that she has the chance to run again in 2012, why in the world does she think anyone would even show up to vote for her in a primary election? Wouldn't she in a sense be blamed for the loss of the Election because she wouldn't put the good of the country and the party above herself? Wouldn't the country turn their backs on another run for her?

AND in turn, what does this say about her mental health? Does she hold herself in such extreme regards that she beleives she is the only hope for the country? Did she miss the civics lesson where they taught her that in a Democracy The People are the govt and that we rule by electing representatives to serve our needs while we tend to building the country? OR is she just extremely power hungry? OR have the money people who run the govt's of the world insisting she stays in to protect them and to protect the establishment? Who or What is behind Hillary Clinton pushing and saying and trying to change the rules to become the Democratic nominee?

Its the WHO or WHAT that I'm really interested in. There has to be a who, if not, it means to me somehow Senator Clinton is somehow a dellusional, power hungry woman who cares about her own self-intrests, rather than the good of the party. AND if its not Senator Clinton that is the power crazed person, who is this that tells the puppets how to play? AND are these the same people who told our populist candidates (Kucinich and Edwards) to stand down and get out?

I want to know who is behind the madness! When we know who is behind the madness, we can remove their power and we can get back to being a democracy.

Ok, thinking out loud.

Play the B-Side.

This shit is getting old.

But their initials are D, L, and C.

the secret one's.. I want them to go away.

And the country's been split for decades.

A
nd many Obama supporters here have been laying the groundwork for a "blame Hillary that Obama lost" excuse for months. I have no doubt that no matter what Hillary does, the diehard Obama supporters will blame her for his loss.

She has 17+ million people (the "who") behind her. She very well may win the popular vote in this primary season. And I think it is very important to our chances in the Fall not to tell FL and MI Democratic voters that their own party doesn't give a damn about their votes.

You make a number of assumptions and show your bias in the process by claiming that she must be delusional or powermad or dancing on the strings of some puppetmaster by having fought this long and possibly fighting further. I know the hate is strong with the Obama fans when it comes to Hillary, but I don't agree with any of those assumptions. I think she is a fantastic Democrat who has excited millions of voters and inspired them to participate in the process. The party is stronger, not weaker.

My question is, why do so many Democrats fear the party's own system, its own process? The "Hillary will doom us all" mantra is one of the silliest things I've ever seen.

I for one voted for Edwards. I think the results would have been very different if the election didn't count... The people who showed up to vote were homeowners.. why because of the property tax ammendment. College students and apt dwellers didn't bother. Homeowners that care about tax and are affected the most are elderly on fixed income.. and that was her large voting block. Had the elections been real, more would have bothered.. Its not fair to steal the delegates.

AND I think she was done back in Feb. You saw Edwards step aside even though he had the best ideas and the best package to really reform our govt. I think she is done.. I want to know why she continues.

that lie doesn't make sense to me.. the pundits throw it out there, but people would be really pissed at her and I don't think she'd have a prayer.. Right now, she's in jeapordy of losing the senate seat in NY.. people are getting pissed at her.

IF she succeeded in STEALING the nomination. Which she won't, all of those voters would get a second chance.
Get out your map and eraser and start subtracting from Hillary "Burnt Many Bridges With Her Big Mouth" Clinton.

was no matter what. We already know from Palast that the Repugs have done everything they can to manipulate the GE. If they create enough doubt and chaos in November and Hillary and Obama look unsettled, it will be much easier to convince the American people that McCain won the election.. So, who's behind the chaos? AND what if Obama decided to bow out? What if it were just the warmonger twins? Hillary almost looks like McCains VP? A lot of people that I've spoken with in many different states regret that they voted for her... Kinda that if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have voted for Hillary.. actually, many I've spoken with would have voted for Edwards and said screw the historical candidate... There have been a lot of very negative things she has said and done.. Kitchen sink and burning hot comments.. Its just too convenient that this season is looking like chaos.. in the meantime Bush is getting a free pass, congress just authorized more money for more war, the drum beat is heading on a path towards Iran, and the criminals keep on brazenly defying, openly now, the law. I don't get it. Way too much chaos is being created.

Hillary and the crew can spin all they want but it was Obama who got voter registration up and off the charts.

Some people who usually vote but believed this year might be different, could be completed deflated and turned off. They will blame Hillary, the Democratic party, government and anything politics. The norm of low voter turn out could be even lower. OTOH, high registration could make up some of the difference.

90% of AA's will probably vote Dem in November but guaranteed their turnout will be record-breakingly dismal. Combine that with the fixed machines located in any AA community near you.


Listen to these people in the video. If they were on DU their threads would not get many recs. Do you have any doubt what they will do in November if Hillary is allowed to F**K this up? They are not on DU so down ticket doesn't and won't mean diddly. It will be McCain in 2009 and Hillary screwed for life. For the record, repug Hillary has created enough chaos on her own and little has been done to stop her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovcdb6csHBE

Fuck if I know why some people think that's so fascinating.

I suppose it is kinda funny watching people with their ill-specified counterfactuals.

What if I eat a ham sandwich tomorrow! Which superdelegate will commit THEN??? AAAARRRRGGHHH!!!!!!

:rofl:

It's funny when people make shit up, and then are amazed that they didn't make up enough to answer their own made-up questions.

for way too long their are higher puppet masters pulling everyone's strings.. and there is just way too much chaos.. beginning with a really long primary season.. 2 yrs is a long time... its diverting attention of Iraq, people losing homes and jobs, and the entire Bush admin. Then why do two historical candidates vie for the top? Why do they keep pushing? Why wouldn't the dem party pick someone.. OR why wouldn't the one of the candidates sit down.. Looking at the money and the support and the ground workers.. Obama has the larger coffers and a better organization than Clinton... the Dems will look at that first. The DNC needs money.. Clinton's supporters are asking for their money back.. so, its not much of a brainer who the DNC will support.