Poignant column about the Clinton campaign at First Read tonight.

There is no pleasure in it, even though I have heard too many of her surrogates out spreading anger today.

If she hadn't used my state and divided us, I would not feel so much anger toward her.

Once the primary manipulation started, the talking points started. They came from some of the state's major Democratic leaders, many of whom I had much respect for. They came from Bill Nelson, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Corinne Brown (who constantly calls for Dean to resign), Alcee Hastings, and the state party leaders like Steve Geller and Dan Gelber..though Gelber eventually apologized. Kathy Castor, daughter of Betty, was in on it at the beginning, and even was critical of Dean who campaigned a lot for her mother....but she has also backed off.

I have found that I can not even look at the first three Democrats I mentioned above without feeling my blood pressure rise. They are the worst. They are right on message every time they go on TV. Today on Hardball Debbie WS even said Florida did not break the rules. Her eyes gave it away that she knew she was lying. So sad. She was one of the best progressives here.

Those three sold their credibility for Hillary Clinton.

I heard today on TV, was it Hardball...that Harold Ickes has twice taken losing campaigns to the convention. Will have to look that up. Will he take yet another campaign to convention? I hear James Carville said she was going to convention. Also Howard Wolfson. They are truly amazing.

MSNBC's First Read tonight has a rather poignant post about her campaign. Actually it is just plain sad.

Clinton: my only friend, THE END…



That was a surprisingly moving article by MSNBC.

I have been angry at her campaign attacks on a national party that is really trying to change the power structure of the Democratic Party to outside of DC. Her campaign and my state have really affected fundraising for the DNC with their theats and intimidation.

Moving the Piggy Bank



Yes, it angers me how the party is being attacked, how my state is being used as a tool to continue the campaign to convention.

I was a huge fan of the Clintons during the 90s, we had eight good years. Things only changed when she decided to grab the Florida delegates.

This tactic is how I will remember the Clintons,unfortunately. It has divided us, it has caused reasonable people to show unreasonable anger. They don't know who to blame because they haven't heard the truth...that Florida Democratic leaders are to blame. Not the DNC.

That is how I will remember her.

clear that we would nominate either a woman or an African-American and how proud I was of our party, and even though I was a Kucinich supporter originally, I was proud of both Senators Clinton and Obama and was really looking forward to voting for either one. It really saddens me that Senator Clinton has decided to run her campaign in such a Rovian fashion, and that she seems to be unconcerned with what her actions are doing to the party overall.

I'll try to remember her differently, but right now all I can think about is the excuses, the mobile goalposts, and the non-apologies for "misstatements" that weren't any such thing.

I did not want to feel that way.

solemn, almost admitting defeat.

IT NEVER LASTS. When do we get the next "Shame on you.../Florida is Zimbabwe/I'm winning the popular vote..." inflammatory and untrue to boot arguments?

And then all the histrionics that follow.

Ed Randell today said that she has lost it.

Feinstein, Patterson all have given it up.

Schumer said 3 months ago you can't go too long.

she will just get more and more pitiful.

You must understand this is not just about Hillary, it's about the DLC and the Corporations behind it that Bill & Hillary brought into the Democratic Party.

If Hillary loses, then Obama takes over the Party--the DNC--- and the DLC loses comtrol or is put in its' place. So Nelson and Wasserman-Schultz are fighting for the Corporations and the people who give money to them. It is time to get some heavy waeights to oppose these two Republican Lite Democrats in their primaries.

Let them eat cake.

"I won and you LOST, bitch!".

And then swaggering out the door with a bimbette under each arm, cigar alight.

THis is interesting..

"Cecil Benjamin, Virgin Islands Democratic Party chairman, reached by First Read Wednesday morning, had not heard Rodriguez had switched again and expressed disbelief. “I doubt that very much," Benjamin told us, adding that he’s spoken to him just last week and he was still supporting Obama. "I don’t think he’s such a fool and would make himself such a mimic when all the superdelegates are moving to Obama.”

Asked by the AP “whether he might switch allegiances again, Rodriquez replied: ‘I don't know.’”

it is really a life lesson about becoming to tied with any particular desire.

She will now face a dramatic choice and she can either let it eat her up or liberate her.

If she had just let it go, it would have come to her.

Be Content with what you have;
rejoice in the way things are.
When you realize there is nothing lacking,
the whole world belongs to you.

Lao Tzu



By letting it go it all gets done.
The world is won by those who let it go.
But when you try and try.
The world is beyond the winning.

Lao Tzu

All I planted came up
balsam and nasturtium and
cosmos and the Marvel of Peru

first the cotyledon
then thickly the differentiated
true leaves of the seedlings,

and I transplanted them,
carefully shaking out each one's
hairfine rootlets from the earth,

and they have thriven,
well-watered in the new-turned earth;
and grow apace now--

but not one shows signs of a flower,
not one.
If August passes flowerless,
and the frosts come,

will I have learned to rejoice enough
in the sober wonder of
green healthy leaves?

"By letting it go it all gets done.
The world is won by those who let it go.
But when you try and try.
The world is beyond the winning."

I don't think she can do that.

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It's truly sad that things should end this way for Hillary ...

I was just reading about the ones who are presenting the case tomorrow...getting a sort of post ready. Looks like they are going to argue that the party did not have the right to take away all the delegates. That is just not true. Of course the party had that right.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1932

They have spread so much bull**** here that they forget what the truth really is.

And some of the ones presenting tomorrow need to look in the mirror. But that is all I will say on that.

"Look at the states I won and will win. These are the states that form the base of a Democratic victory."

She goes to South Dakota, a state Democrats haven't won in ages, and says she should be the nominee because she has won in states where Democrats do win. And she doesn't get it that she just told these people, "you don't count"?

Now that I think of it, didn't her reputation for brilliance orginally come from rightwingers trying to insult Bill by claiming his wife had all the brains in the family? This woman is just about as stupid as a sack full of hammers.

that they could count on her as someone who'd "pay the bills". :rofl:

has turned a lot of previously good and good intentioned people into mindless surrogates and fools. It has been distressing to watch it unfold.

There is a difference in supporting sincerely, and supporting mindlessly.

It is really quite remarkable when you think about it. Barack Obama is an extraordinary candidate who has run an extraordinary campaign.

Remember when Hillary Clinton said so blithely to Katie Couric, "Well, it will be me." I think the Clintons and their closest advisors and supporters really believed that.

It will be very instructive how Hillary Clinton accepts defeat and how much she does to heal the rift in the party--whether she really meant it when she said she "would work her heart out for the nominee."

I would like to think she did mean it--that she does want to see a Democrat in the White House come next Janaury, 2009-and not John McCain.

Which I though suited Hillary. It is one of my favorite verses and it makes vey sad reading.

I Am - John Clare

I am! yet what I am none cares or knows,
My friends forsake me like a memory lost;
I am the self-consumer of my woes,
They rise and vanish in oblivious host,
Like shades in love and death's oblivion lost;
And yet I am! and live with shadows tost

Into the nothingness of scorn and noise,
Into the living sea of waking dreams,
Where there is neither sense of life nor joys,
But the vast shipwreck of my life's esteems;
And e'en the dearest--that I loved the best--
Are strange--nay, rather stranger than the rest.

I long for scenes where man has never trod;
A place where woman never smil'd or wept;
There to abide with my creator, God,
And sleep as I in childhood sweetly slept:
Untroubling and untroubled where I lie;
The grass below--above the vaulted sky.
Revolt in 2008 - the Democratic Victory

I hope she finds the contentment Clare prayed for.

Begin, ephebe, by perceiving the idea
Of this invention, this invented world,
The inconceivable idea of the sun.

You must become an ignorant man again
And see the sun again with an ignorant eye
And see it clearly in the idea of it.

Never suppose an inventing mind as source
Of this idea nor for that mind compose
A voluminous master folded in his fire.

How clean the sun when seen in its idea,
Washed in the remotest cleanliness of a heaven
That has expelled us and our images . . .

The death of one god is the death of all.
Let purple Phoebus lie in umber harvest,
Let Phoebus slumber and die in autumn umber,

Phoebus is dead, ephebe.But Phoebus was
A name for something that never could be named.
There was a project for the sun and is.

There is a project for the sun.The sun
Must bear no name, gold flourisher, but be
In the difficulty of what it is to be.

The best of the best!

I guess that's what makes a horse race--everyone has their own opinion. I certainly don't share yours.

to protect 2008 for a Hillary run.

They did not care if Dem party was in ruins after 1994 with no strong party infrastructure working to get Dem candidates elected and Dem votes counted - they didn't want Gore or Kerry to win their races, and if Dem votes were stolen by the RNC and their tactics, then that was fine with them.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1399

Mostly Southern states.

"I had discovered how pathetic many of our state parties actually were. Many were literally bankrupt, the office supplies and machines (typewriters) had been taken for unpaid debt, and padlocks were on the door. The State Committees that had the franchise were held in one or another lawyer's file cabinet, (In Georgia it had been Bert Lance's for about 20 years), and the reason for this condition was frankly racism. The Southern States would not allow the release of the franchise to a newly elected Central Committee or Board, because it would be Black. They could do this because the parties were in bankruptcy, and whatever lawyer had the letterhead in his files was also the court appointed trustee.

....."When Dean took over the DNC -- this was the condition of about twelve of our State Parties. He actually had to find lawyers to go into court and get the parties out of this kind of "Trusteeship" before he could even begin to reorganize. In fact, one of the reasons some of the Field Organizers Dean appointed are on the staff of the DNC rather than state parties is because it avoids dealing with old trustees and old court judgments."

.."According to reporting on KO, Hillary Clinton's office is saying they did not "sign off" on the Carville attack on Dean. As Keith said, that is a bit nuanced, and it needs follow up. The language of "sign off" bothers.Indeed the ultimate question is whether local party organizations can select their own representatives or whether that power will be taken away from the state parties by the DSCC and the DCCC who substitute themselves (as elected officials) for the party organization or the DNC and what creates it. That is what is at stake."

They were shameless in their use of the Dem party for only their own needs.

over legacy. :-(

I think that is what you are saying.

away the legacy (probably not the best word I could've used but I meant their progressive reputation from WH days) and good will they had because of their selfish ambition. They would rather fight tooth and nail in an attempt to get back into the Whitehouse and overshadow all the good they did and instead being remembered for their ugly Rovian politics.

:hi:

I just can't imagine how back in January I would vote for either/or, now? Not so much, the old politics, the Rovian politics, the getcha at any moment politics.... it does not reflect well on the Clinton's, it does not reflect well on our country and it does not reflect well on us.

Bill was not running..it was Hillary.. it would have been a different administration.. a different set of priorities.. it would not have been the 90's sans women... it would have been a much more aggressively right administration..and this is not the last time a woman will run.. I give Hillary a lot of credit for that.. that door is down.. completely...BUT.. the idea that we would have the good part of the 90's again.. just would not have happened .. Hillary is a totally different animal than Bill..

and the anger returns. Her campaign has caused so much division and anger on purpose...it is unforgiveable.

...and begin to reverse the damage to her legacy she should step down when her Senate seat comes up for reelection and spend the rest of her days building houses for homeless people along side Jimmy Carter.