Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Anybody else concerned that McCain would rather see our youth in war than college?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:36 PM
Original message
Anybody else concerned that McCain would rather see our youth in war than college?
Edited on Fri May-30-08 12:03 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
I'm sitting here, listening to the news about McCain's reasons for not signing the GI bill. His reason is that he wants people to make a career out of the military and doesn't want to inspire people to leave the military early to go to college. What kind of crap is that?

I'm sorry.. but I would never be ashamed of someone who chose to go to college over the military. And I would never be ashamed of someone who wanted to leave the military to go to college. Basically McCain is showing how little he cares for education which should be the cornerstone of building a higher level society.

Even all the benefits he talks about are all aimed at military.. but I have yet to hear anything from him about benefits for civilians. I don't know about you all.. but someone like that scares the hell out of me and what that means to the future of this country.

To all you "if hillary doesn't win, I'm voting McCain" or "if obama isn't the nom, I'm not voting" idiots... this is what you're getting yourself into. Hope you don't mind your kids being trapped in the military if they join and decide to move onto something else when they're done with their service that they agree to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. I think that's the case with the Repugs in general these days.....
..... They're doing EVERYTHING they can to make college less accessible. An educated populace is very much a threat to their mindf**k world.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. Absolutely -- turning us all into wage slaves has been the PLAN ...
The "ruling class" need lots of serfs to do their menial
labor, which is why they have historically felt threatened
by a middle class and do everything they can do keep
people from moving up in society (which is especially
possible thanks to higher education). It's the overall
societal equivalent of keeping women barefoot and pregnant
(and thus powerless).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:38 PM
Response to Original message
2. John McCain must not become president.
Simple as that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:40 PM
Response to Original message
3. McCrash hated education. He was very inept at it.
Not that he was very good at warring/flying either...

K & R for your strong OP.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:41 PM
Response to Original message
4. This one little item is all we need to defeat him. It is a pivot point
that we can hang all the other arguments that dismantle his claim of loving and standing up for the troops.

We can use it to doubt his patriotism at this late stage of his life - he is more concerned with corporate profits than the soldiers he claims to love so much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:41 PM
Response to Original message
5. John McCain is a total asshole and would make a terrible president
...Hillary supporters know this, so have no fear, the vast majority will support a democratic ticket. Just start working together and move for unity at the convention
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:41 PM
Response to Original message
6. I think it was Hartman today on the radio that said it right, "McCain has spent too much time...
"...in uniform." McCain has been raise, hard-wired, fed & keyed upon war. Hartman went on to illuminate that McCain is presuming the mantle of a republican cult of death that has been running absolutely amok for decades on end and counting.

This republican cult of death madness must be stopped! And then tried & sentenced for crimes against humanity.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. I love Hartmann's mind
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:42 PM
Response to Original message
7. Hell yes I'm concerned.
Apologizes to the Obama campaign, but Schuster was right. McCain is a war monger.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:42 PM
Response to Original message
8. He doesn't even want people who HAVE joined the military to be able to go to college
He wants them to be stuck in the military. His justification for voting against the GI bill was that it would "hurt retention". Well, genius, if you wanna help retention how about fixing this effed-up Iraq occupation and the treatment of wounded vets who come home?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:44 PM
Response to Original message
10. Not only that ElsewheresDaughter, but he's too chickenshit to admit it
When I heard about the Webb GI Bill I couldn't possibly fathom a good reason for Republicans to oppose it, other than they would rather spend the money to give rich people tax cuts. Then I read an article in the National Review that outlines the right wingers' position and it discusses how we need incentives for retention. Basically this amounts to "If we give our soldiers money to go to college, we won't have anybody to get shot at in Iraq."

McCain won't admit that. He gets around it with a combination of "We want to retain them because we want them to become non-commissioned officers" and "How dare Barack Obama criticize me, I was a POW".

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:46 PM
Response to Original message
12. The more McCain talks, the worse he sounds.
I could hardly believe his rational, particularly given the horrid schedule of combat rotations that has been adopted. I don't think we have ever made the lives of the soldiers as miserable as we have in this war, and the results are seen in PSTD and other difficulties. McCain just shuts another door.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:48 PM
Response to Original message
13. I think a lot of that "If Hillary doesn't win," or "if Obama isn't
the nominee" is passion talking. Most people will simmer down and see how stupid that sort of thing would be.

Does McCain really know why he opposed the GI Bill? He makes so little sense that I wonder sometimes if he knows his own mind. That's why he needs a whisperer trailing him around. He needs to be reminded about what his positions should be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. hahaha "a whisperer"
Edited on Fri May-30-08 12:00 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #13
19. Muriel, you and I finally agree on something.
:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:48 PM
Response to Original message
14. This is the talk of bondage and slavery
MLK and St. Thomas Aquinas spoke vigorously against man being used as a means to an end as contrary to moral imperative. McCain, like slave owners, sees mankind as a means to an end. It is ethical servitude and that he would use these young men and women for such a purpose speaks to itself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:50 PM
Response to Original message
15. K & R, ED!
Very fine post!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:55 PM
Response to Original message
17. I'll do my damndest, no matter who the nominee is, to make sure McCain doesn't get in
You make an excellent point. There's so many kids out there now who don't qualify for grants, yet their parents don't have the money in hand to pay for their school nor credit left to help the kid get a loan. The only recourse left is to work at a McJob or join the military and utilize the college funding for their serving.

Personally, I won't be responsible for this and other devastations that will take place under a McCain presidency.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:06 AM
Response to Original message
18. Volkische Education
The Volk needn't gain much education, since their primary value to the National Socialist Party is to serve as soldiers of the Reich. Besides, the Volk are only confused by the Jewish and Jesuit sophistry and foolery that passes in the universities. In time the universities will wither away, as the fine young men produced by the military academies assume their rightful place in the Reich order.

This isn't from Mein Kampf -- in fact I made it up. But wouldn't y'all agree that voting against the GI bill is a step closer to voting for closing universities and (ultimately) burning books?

This man is chilling. Truly chilling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:22 AM
Response to Original message
20. The current Repub base would not exist without the first GI Bill.
How many of our current "I got mine - fuck them" bootstrappers conveniently forget that without the GI Bill, their parents or grandparents would have come back from the war penniless and shell-shocked (as they called it then) with nowhere to go but back to the old city tenements? With nothing for future generations to inherit?

Fuck that. You start a war, you pay for it. And that includes taking care of every single fucking soul who sacrificed their physical and mental health to do the fighting for you, for LIFE. You bet it's expensive. Don't even think about doing it if you're not willing to pay it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon May 13th 2024, 04:09 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC