What a shame there aren't more Hillary supporters taking

part in the discussion.

What, are there two people left that haven't been chased away?

For every Hillary voter chased away to a different forum, that's one less potential donor to DU.

Sad.

that have been tombstoned.

But then again, that's a well known McCain camp strategy these days.

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It is sad to see what has become of this place...

It has become like Lord Of The Flies...

One does not have to post in order to read this site.

christ you must spend a lot of time here

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Just because I didn't get the nerve up to post before doesn't mean I don't know what's going on here.

And I take umbrage at your suggestion that it does.

here longer than you nyah-nyah" childishness. Like you, I lurked here for years before I signed up and started posting.

The vast majority of long-time DU'ers are mature adults who don't resort to that "my sign-up date makes me a Very Important Person at DU," but some like the poster above forget they're not back in Kindergarten and bray about their longevity here like it was some kind of Deus ex machina in any given debate.

Keeping lists, you hypocrite?

their fees. Just a thought.

but I for one am glad to see the repukes masquerading as Hillary supporters gone.

either way, sounds like you need to talk to the hillary supporters, not everyone else.

I just think DU should be more inclusive.

:shrug:

all they've been doing is cutting and pasting from a barely disguised RW site anymore, anyhow.

chased away.

And this place is soooo boring listening to all of the Obama fans preach to the choir.

as Obama will shortly be the officially recognized presumptive nominee and the entire site and entire Democratic party will be expected to unite around his candidacy.

This is what happens during campaigns. Were you expecting any different? :shrug:

that much is clear.

Hillary supporters are slowly but surely becoming Obama supporters.

The tsunami of support switching is scheduled for the week between June 4 and June 11.

You might want to get on board for the big win somewhere during that time as we'll have our presumptive nominee.

"The tsunami of support switching is scheduled for the week between June 4 and June 11."

Who scheduled this? How can such things be scheduled?

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grief, swarm and lock was always your favorite tactic.

he who lives by the sword....

I started reading DU in 2002. Joined in 2004, and have gotten exactly TEM pms. Six of 'em as replies after donation, one for buying stars, and the other three from DU'ers. One of those a “LOL!”, the other two from someone who guessed who I was beyond my handle and turned out to be an old friend.

When offensive posts get fired up from alerts—it's because they were alert-worthy. There's no magic mail prompt to “descend” as one paranoid nut bar here whined about.

This is about deflection, victimology and an inability to deal with simple, fact-based realities.

God...get over yourself. :(

Couldn't agree more!

"Post anything other than Worship, the o-mail goes out and the mods get alert-bombed. DU's HillHaters have destroyed DU."

I repeat.....OU SUPPORTERS HAVE DESTROYED DU!!!!!!!!!!!! At least they have destroyed it for half the Democratic party.

You're next on the "list" BTW. ;)

And little reason to read the main boards anymore.

I use my own journal as a good way to link to several other journals that I like... and I go straight there when I check in.

Hillary Clinton has lost. Furthermore, most Clinton supporters here do nothing but post gratuitous bashes of Obama, such as the current thread about his blood pressure and the one on Father Phleger. Yes, of course there are many gratuitous bashes on Clinton too. And that will continue until she drops out. If she stays in after Obama sews it up next week, I'm afraid it could get really ugly. While it may be her right to do so, many people will simply see it as Clinton playing the spoiler. I'm one of them. I'm fine with her staying in for another week or so. After that, when Obama has the needed delegates? Not so much.

For many months anything not pro-obama has been a victim of the mob mentality that has grown here. Anything that goes against the mob is quickly squashed and stomped into the ground. I know I don't speak my mind in this forum anymore, it's not worth it.

I've come to terms with the fact he will be the nominee in all likely hood. However, I still have grave reservations about whether he can do the job that we need done or if he is just a really good talker. I also have reservations as to whether he can even win this once the RW machine is done with him. I think he is that "blank screen" that his supporters can fill in with whatever they want, but in the end, I feel there is a good chance they will be very disappointed.

Sorry, that is how I feel. I hope I am wrong. I have to say though, Du has bolstered those feeling rather then instilling any confidence in him. A few posters have recently stepped up though, behaving like real Democrats, and believe me, it makes a difference.

I hope my feelings change. I hope I can go to the booth in Nov with the same confidence I had in Kerry. Right now, I am just not there.

One other Note: I wish all the preachers, on all sides, would just shut the fuck up and stay the hell out of our politics.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, that is exactly how I feel, both about being here and my feelings about Obama. :thumbsup:

funny, if you just try to remember how anyone who did not like clinton in the beginning was treated.

ironic.

I also could not agree more with your sentiment about the preachers. Any of these people remember a little thing called "Separation of Church and State" Stay away from politics!!!!

Jeez!!

There are maybe 5 posters who support my candidate's opponent who don't go apeshit at the slightest criticism. My message board, the one that where some of the brightest minds on the left side of the aisle (and peanut gallery) congregated, it's gone now. I mean, geez, I pay money here, and it's the one place on the internet where I'd expect to be able to have a rational conversation in return for that support.

40% of my negative opinion of Obama was formed by reading and hearing his own words. The other 60% is purely thanks to his faction that fucked over DU.

I've come to terms with the fact he will be the nominee in all likelihood. However, I still have grave reservations about whether he can do the job that we need done or if he is just a really good talker. I also have reservations as to whether he can even win this once the RW machine is done with him. I think he is that "blank screen" that his supporters can fill in with whatever they want, but in the end, I feel there is a good chance they will be very disappointed.

Actually, I'm certain that they will be disappointed.

You know what goes on here, and nobody forced you to come into GD:P and jump into the fray. Really, if you want to play rough, you need to toughen up a bit.

But I completely agree with you about the preachers!

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speaking up in a non obama way = tombstone

I won't deny there are many Obama supporters here who do themselves and their campaign a great disservice by the way they conduct themselves. But I truly appreciate those who speak up in support of Hillary without having to do it by attacking Obama, and I think that has played a large part in the conditioned response of some Obama people. I can honestly say that I will work for, and support the democratic nominee in the GE. Several of my good friends are in Iraq, and god willing they will start coming home in early November. I'm sorry that your experience with Obama supporters has been a negative one and if I were in your shoes I would probably feel the same way.

(999th post)

Last evening I posted an opinion about the Phleger "thing", stating that it was a piece of crap and that Senator Obama was quite obviously not involved in any way, and cannot be faulted for anything.

I did take Phleger and Trinity church to task for not acting in the best interests of Senator Obama and stated that the IRS may want to take a look at their tax exempt status and that the Senator may want to consider changing churches.

I was accused of displaying "Faux outrage".

Evidently, to many of the Obama supporters, anyone with a Hillary avatar is not allowed in the discussion.

Cali...you are afraid it COULD get really ugly? If I am not even allowed to express an opinion about the ignorance of the right wing making up false crap about Senator Obama because I have a Hillary avatar, I call that really ugly. It has been for months.

some Obama supporters here areen't completely over the top in their hate of all things Hillary. And you've always struck me as a fair and reasonable poster.

the shoe has flipped. How does it feel?

I don't even know what that means.....!

Me either.

There has not been a response from the poster who said it.

:patriot:

If you have an opinion, start a new thread and voice it.

Can I say that without it sounding demeaning or patronizing? There are maybe 4 or 5 Obama supporters on this board that I really like and I enjoy reading what they have to say, and you're one of them. You always take the high road.

:hi:

DU is now like the Borg, dissension will only get you bashed, and even banned.

If you call talking to a pre-recorded message "discussion", then yeah. If you're lonely, you could join them where they gather.

Seems like a lot of boards and websites have defaulted to one candidate or the other with little "objective" discussion going on between different wings of the party.

It even seems like we have taken sides on politicians, radio/TV personalities, columnists and others who have praised or criticized "our" candidate. Will any of them regain the respect and/or admiration we had for them before this all got started?

Maybe this has all happened before and we will all come back to our "roots" in time. I hope so.

there's a Democratic Party. You've bought into Hillary's kool-aid that our party must be divided into supporter blocks, voting blocks, etc.

We should unite as a Party as long as it's behind you?

And I've just reduced my reading and posting here. Neither Obama nor Clinton have sold their souls to the devil, sold a child for spare parts, sold bonds for John McCain, or sold American (or the democratic party) down the river.

The level of vitriol around here has been profoundly disturbing to me, not because it hurts my feelings, but because often it's been indistinguishable from Free Republic. If we can honestly look at either the Obama or Clinton campaigns and be so driven to fury by them, then we are in real danger of failing to oust the Republican death machine from the engine room of our country in November.

I've been deeply disappointed at Clinton pandering; worried about Obama weaknesses; dismayed at Clintonian pettifogging and rule changing to benefit her campaign; and been depressed at the rabid viciousnous of Obamaniacs.

Let's get real. Even if John McCain were a Good Guy (which he most assuredly is not) because his residence the the White House would directly enable continuation of Republican policies that have halfway dragged this country into an inescapable rut. Four more years of such misleadership could easily be fatal.

Obama would make a good president. Clinton would make a good president. Heck, Biden or Dodd or Richardson or Kucinich would be better than McLain with half their brains taken out.

We are going to half to close ranks behine whoever the nominee is. If we don't win this one in a near-landslide, the 'Lican vote rigging will certainly prevail.

Please before you flame a fellow progressive, consider the alternative.

And a Hillary supporter showed up to add a gratuitous smear at Obama, even though my post was not about either candidate, but about Rush & McCain.

So I guess they are still around . . .

making are not being received nor gaining traction is a choice of that individual.

Sure, DU GDP is a place that requires some thick skin at points - but it was so for both Obama and Hillary supporters.

Sure DU GDP favored Obama in terms of the number of supporters that have been posting here since Edwards dropped out. But that was to be expected. Obama is largely favored by the population segment more likely to post on such a site - activists, anti-war voters, young voters, and educated voters.

"not being received nor gaining traction". It's a matter of being viciously attacked, mocked, insulted, and ganged up on. I'm not a Hillary supporter. I'm not an Obama supporter either. I'm a Gore and Edwards supporter.

I've never been attacked by a Hillary supporter. I've repeatedly been attacked by Obama supporters.

This used to be a board for Democrats (hence the name). Now, it is a board for Obama supporters and those willing to put up with unjustified personal attacks.

you made about the Guam primary (and I didn't join in that). Perhaps there are more that I missed. You certainly have not been an avid poster of silly topics and/or illogical arguments - but their are quite a few Hillary supporters that are, and in a place like this, they get what they ask for - flames.

I do recall a posting you made about KO having a misogynistic streak. That's usually good for gathering flames to oneself - though I don't think that was the case for you. I also recall some broad strokes you have made about "they" in reference to Obama supporters and a typical agreement with Hillary supporters you have expressed in a few threads.

A month or so ago referring to a media figure that is perceived as being aligned with Hillary as a racist or broad strokes painted about Hillary supporters or typical agreement with Obama supporters would have garnered you the wrath of numerous Hillary supporters. That doesn't make it right, and it doesn't make it right for Obama supporters either - but it is the way this board operates.

I'm certainly not defending personal attacks of any nature on this board - but I have watched them fly from Hillary supports, Obama supporters and Edwards supporters. There are more Obama supporters here - so, assuming that Obama supporters are no better than anybody else, one would expect more total crap to be slung from that corner than any other.

I would also note that Obama will be the Democratic nominee, and as such the leader of the party - so it isn't unreasonable for the majority of posters on a Democratic web site to support the soon to be leader of the Democratic party.

Actually that Guam primary post was a joke on all of us (regardless of who we support), with an underlying message of "Let's try to lighten up a little around here." Some people got that and even the ones that didn't weren't particularly horrible.

When I posted in that thread about KO, I was mainly asking questions, so one certainly wouldn't expect to be attacked for that (though it does happen).

You said, "You certainly have not been an avid poster of silly topics and/or illogical arguments" and I appreciate you noticing that. I try to be reasonable and engage in productive discussion, which used to be the norm around here.

I don't doubt that what you are saying about personal attacks coming from all sides is accurate in your experience, but my experience is that I have never been a Hillary supporter, have been open about that for years, and yet have never been attacked by a Hillary supporter. That includes back when Hillary was inevitable, or so the MSM told us. On the other hand, while not supporting Obama, I have been respectful toward him and yet have been attacked viciously by some of his supporters. You may not have seen those threads, but if you do a search you shouldn't have any problem finding them. It is hard to maintain a civil tone when under such attack, but I have tried my best to do so.

I think it's human nature for those of us in various groups that have been attacked by Obama supporters to identify with one another. So, while not a Hillary supporter I can certainly sympathize with what they have been confronted with. The same goes for any Kucinich supporters, or Biden supporters or anyone that's been attacked. I keep reading, especially in this thread, comments about Hillary supporters having previously attacked Obama supporters. I'm sure it happened, but I haven't seen much of it.

I come here much less frequently. I post much less frequently. And I'm much less likely to donate when my year is up, unless things really turn around here.

It may be that the reason I haven't seen much of Hillary people attacking Obama people is that I generally avoid threads that involve Clinton v. Obama, since I don't have a dog in that hunt. On the other hand, when I have posted things about Gore or Edwards, or responded in threads about them, I almost always get attacked by Obama supporters.

I'm not sure that you meant it that way, but your sentence structure in the second part of this sentence sounds like you may be implying that I'm a Hillary supporter:

"You certainly have not been an avid poster of silly topics and/or illogical arguments - but their are quite a few Hillary supporters that are, and in a place like this, they get what they ask for - flames." (Emphasis mine.)

This is something that I don't like. Why must there be an assumption that if one doesn't support Obama, one is a Hillbot? There are quite a lot of us that support neither, though our numbers are dwindling. It is to the detriment that we are losing these people. A discussion board with only one point of view is pretty boring.

you are a Hillary supporter. I was a Gore supporter going in to this, I was and am a big fan of DK, and waited until after Edwards dropped out to really cast my lot with Obama. My experience as a Gore supporter was very different than yours - I can honestly say I was never attacked by an Obama supporter, but can not say the same about Hillary supporters. There is a reason for that. It comes down to the threads I chose to post in and the issues I chose to support or be critical of.

By the way - the one thing I have been very critical of is the use of terms like "Hillbot" or "Obamatron". People that use such terms make the entire board look foolish - but they come from all camps.

they can be useful for distinguishing between rational, reasonable supporters of either candidate, and the rabid variety. Unfortunately, there are so many rabid people here now, that one needs to distinguish, lest others think one is referring to the rabid.

the bad behavior is generated by the majority?

every presidential primary season and that when one candidate has quite a bit more supporters than another the results are predictable.

I think the personal attacks that get thrown around by all sides are a shame - but I realized that would happen going in. What I didn't realize going in was how long this primary season would be. However, given the length of the campaign I'm not surprised at all that the level of discourse has continued to degrade from both sides. Escalation of hostilities is a very normal human behavior in such an environment.

You sounded like you were condoning the behavior by saying it was normal and inevitable.

It IS a shame that so many have been driven away. We don't have to just accept it. This is our community, and if we want it to be a worthwhile community, we should speak out against things that devalue it.

driven away. GDP is a small part of DU. People can leave GDP without leaving DU. I don't see people being run out of DU either, I see people making a choice to go elsewhere to escape other people that are pointing out a score they don't want to see and making arguments that they don't want to hear and celebrating a result they don't like. I think it's a shame people have made the choice to leave.

Also - seeing something as inevitable is not the same thing as condoning it - I simply expected it based on what I have observed here in the past and the rather uncivil nature in which most people seem to treat each other via the internet when they disagree.

You seem to be saying that if they weren't tombstoned then they weren't technically 'driven away". But that's not the argument anyone was trying to make.

Unfortunately, it's all over the front page every day. Many of the subject lines are really distasteful to me. I don't care to read the constant attacks on other Democrats or the gloating. When I was a kid (and I'm not that old), we were taught that gloating was poor sportsmanship.

There was a period where I stopped coming to DU briefly and wrote Skinner a long message about Profanity laced titles appearing on the front page of DU. But that does seem to have decreased quite a bit, though it still does happen. I do think DU would have been better served in GDP threads could not get recommended to the front page, some of the more immature posters have clearly tried to force some flame bait on to the front page for no other reason than rubbing peoples noses in it. If you talk to Skinner about it, I think you'll find that he agrees.

I think it would have been a much better move to keep those off the front page, as well as some of the more outrageous journals that show up in the right hand column. If Skinner agrees, I wonder why it wasn't handled that way.

I've often wondered what Skinner and the other admins are thinking. I know this requires a lot of time and I therefore assume it is their livelihood. I really think the future of DU is somewhat in doubt. Many people have left and I think many more will. I remember when the number on the front page was over 200,000. If this place becomes nothing but an echo chamber, even the Obama supporters will leave because that's just boring. Really, what keeps me coming back (and is less and less available) is reasonable discussion of ideas. I like for people to agree with me, but if that's all there was, I'd be bored. I don't like to be attacked and won't go to a site for that. What's needed is something much more down the middle and I no longer find that here much.

"Dems do it too ..."

that call.

You have zero say in it billyoc.

Some posters feel they have an obligation to spew hatred and venom towards anyone who doesn't agree with them amd I just don't have the time or inclination to wade through all of that to find the few here who can still engage in anything even closely resembling a reasoned debate on issues.

I watched it start happening a few months ago.

Who with a grain of a sense of fairness and ethics would "demand" that MI & FL be seated "as is," against the Dem. Party rules, against Harold Ickes' rules that he wrote, and knowing that they were name recognition primaries that a relative unknown candidate hadn't a prayer of winning without active and massive campaigning? No one.

Who would support people who would think and say on public television that Obama is where he is only because he is a lucky black man? No Obama supporter has said a similar thing about Clinton on public television, and I dare say many Obama supporters wouldn't support such a statement (that Hillary is where she is only because she is a lucky white woman).

Who would think it is proper behavior to boo other candidates at a nationally televised debate? Hillary's supporters did, and her supporters on this forum thought it was great. No supporters for any other candidate have booed other candidates at any nationally televised debate; all candidates should be given the opportunity to answer the moderator's questions.

So if Obama supporters called out Hillary's supporters for bad behavior, it is only right to do so. As we have seen, they really don't like anyone disagreeing with themselves or with Hillary. If they can't get their way, they claim sexism, they protest, they shout, and finally leave. They do not compromise or admit mistakes.

I'm just sayin'. :P

Sorry, I really shouldn't be allowed to post before the coffee kicks in.

What an idiot Karl Axerod is.

Damn, Hil will be up to 20 million voters by next week, at this rate.

Seemed like just the other day people were saying it was 16 million.

- as

... you know, the one where $3.4M = $10M.

but I can count one right here.

Capitulation is not unity, and these guys should know it.

This is a political discussion board, not the UN. People come and go. It's not the end of the world. People who can't stand a bit of rough play and get their feelings hurt are taking it way too seriously.

"People who can't stand a bit of rough play and get their feelings hurt are taking it way too seriously."

Why should they spend a minute of their free time with "rough play" at all? Why serve as fodder for jokes and derision? You say this is a political discussion board. That is what it's *supposed* to be, but at least in this forum, the discussion centers on how awful Clinton and her supporters are. Why should they stick around for that? Would you?

come on this board and pretty much say what they want to say. Honesly, considering the alternative, would you have it any other way?

for everyone of clinton supporter lost, another supporter of democratic ideals will step up.(Please I am not inferring that clinton supporters are undemocratic). The fact that Clinton supporters are leaving is to be expected. As someone said earlier, this is a forum where the more leftist anti-war elements gravitate. Hillary's war vote has made many a democratic voter turn away from her platform.

I am not interested in antagonizing Clinton's supporters. I am also uninterested in begging for anyone's support.
I think when something is said or done by either support it is open to criticism. If Obama makes a gaffe its fair game. I don't like it, but criticism is part of the process. At one point i admired clinton's tenacity but that was months ago. I am disillusioned by this primary mainly for the fact that as a Floridian, my legislature and Governor(neither of whom i voted for) set our little fiasco in motion. Florida is again the laughingstock of the Union. I will continue to vote against these idiots in Tallahassee,FL who claim to be representing me come November. I will be voting for Obama then as well(hopefully).

I will continue to support DU. It has given me an opportunity to learn to write for one.(still a long way to go). Also I am able to express my outrage over What is happening to what once was the greatest democracy in the world.

If there is hurt feelings I hope they heal. I voted Kerry even though I cringed at his tight ass-ed approach to politics. I voted for gore even though he was eviscerated by the press. In short i vote for the underdog.

But the Hillbots sure as Hell are.

(for anyone who still doesn't know the difference, look at at the Father Pfleger threads. That would be HILLBOTS who are desperately trying to make something out of nothing with that shit.)

chronic concern trolls.

Just about another week and the latter will be gone altogether.

Hah... if only!

They'll stick around till Nov if they can... continually posting about how "concerned" they are about whatever.

supporting the party in the General Election.

The other option is to stay bitter to the end.

Not sad - normal.

Some will come back and some will not.

What are you going to do? When it comes down to it you will have to decide whether to continue to cling to a decision the party has made or assist McCain in Bush III and the upcoming military attack on Iran.

You're pretty good at promoting disharmony.

So, perhaps, many more potential DU donors, who support Obama, have been turned off of this website.

How about protesting those divisive posts? "Talk to your people," and tell them to "back off."

If they didn't have the intestinal fortitude to stick around then that's their problem.

I'm a glutton for punishment and besides I was here first! However my donations are down because I don't like supporting a site that permits all the hatred as FR toward my candidate. I wouldn't think of supporting
them.

I'm almost proud. This is literally the first post of yours that I've read without MClurkin's name in it.

The OP is the original Pastorbator.

:pals:

There are at least a half a dozen fresh faced new democrats who are more than happy to take up the slack.

It's actually a very beautiful thing.

Once GDP closes, the Stepford Republicans won't have reason to donate here anyway. :shrug:

Or that HRC supporters are just trolls?

so bye-bye they go. Hope they feel like coming back and supporting the Democratic candidate against McCain.

I think it needs to be said. It is quite possible to support the Democratic candidate in November without coming back here, or ever coming here in the first place. While many people here, including me, are quite active in supporting Democratic candidates, there are others who do nothing. It's not necessary to come here to be supportive, and there is nothing about being here that is intrinsically helpful to any candidate. Some people use this site to actually DO something, but many more are just talking. Don't assume that people who have left are not out there on the ground working. And don't forget that many people are working for down ticket candidates, which are seldom discussed.

very vigorously opposing during the primaries John Kerry. But we united behind him in November, too. Something I saw a lot of Hillary supporters didn't seem to want to do for Obama.

:thumbsup:

And manyof the the one's that are out there have gone to their Obama hate, and self pity sites. But there's a steady stream of Hillary supporters on DU.

And Hillary got 11% of the votes. She gets at least that much now, so you're full of it.

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I guess they do not care about real issues, must the fate of the chosen one.

Even Bonds supporters don't play it up this much.

Oh, wait...

What Bonds supporters are you talking about? Barry Bonds?

that was the only Bonds I could think of, but I wasn't expecting a baseball reference. Thanks for clearing that up.

The OP is a big Bonds defender down in the Sports Forum. Just getting my digs in.

I'm a Patriots fan, so he gets me for supporting cheaters. :)

it looks like camp clinton is going to agree to finishing this next week, so O will hold on to his lead by all accounts. They should take as much time as they need, and should be respected by all here. They're a tough bunch and the dems sure could use their help in the fall!

Not disputing that there has been a lot of vicious crap slung by both sides (although, purely from personal observation, the Hillary camp has been slightly worse) but I'd dispute whether any poster has been "chased away". Both here and the website I work for, posters often leave and complain that they have been "chased away" but a discussion board isn't like the meatworld, no-one is going to come running after then waving flaming torches and pitchforks and, outside of hyperbole, disputes aren't in any way comparable.

Some people leave because they can't defend their arguements and get called on it. Some (on both sides) leave because they can't take the level of vitriol (and these days, I can see their point). Some get tombstoned but I don't think anyone gets "chased away".

donate to this forum, but then again when one is labeled a bigot or a racist when one posts here and from their standpoint it is okay by the mods to allow this.....why donate? Why participate? Best answer would be to find another fourm where folks can disagree without the insults.....

but then again as i have said many times, I have been called names by the best of the haters(not here)and if I anger a bigot and racist then so be it, but to be called either name because I support HRC and not obama is over the top.....

Ben David

I would only add that one needn't be an HRC supporter to be called a bigot and a racist. Merely expressing any sign of doubt about Obama is sufficient. Also, pointing out that HRC supporters have a right to their opinions is sufficient.

and don't support Clinton I find disturbing, too.

.

'Shame you're not one of em.

:eyes:

:)

The dynamics of the larger group bullying a smaller group are playing out here just like a dust covered sociology textbook would

describe. There are some on this board who have reveled in chasing away other Dems from this board with a fervor that could match

many authoritarian models. The cries of ts'ing any person who doesn't pledge loyalty to Obama before the race is even over are

disturbing. At the same time there are many Obama supporters here who are quite vocal that they would not support or vote for Hillary if

she were the nominee. Those posters are given a pass here from the unofficial enforcers here at DU who squeal with joy at the

slightest opportunity to alert or even ignore Hillary supporters for fighting back.



I may have said too much.

Tombstoned

FLAMEBAIT

Thanks in advance for your direct cooperation in this matter.

Nah, of course not.

:)

pretty soon we'll all have the same avatar "I'm pro hillary". Skinner wouldn't lock half of these threads that I see locked lately. Who's he hiring?

:)

:hi:

are just as nasty as Obama supporters. The fact that there are more nasty Obama supporters is simply due to the fact that there are many more Obama supporters in general than there are Clinton supporters on this board. I don't believe for a second that this place would be any more civil if there were more Clinton supporters here. I remember what it was like back in the fall when Clinton was considered the presumptive nominee. There were a decent number of Clinton supporters on here, and the tone was about as nasty then as it is now.

I'm not referring to all Clinton supporters or even most of them. I'm referring to a certain kind, those that we all know about.