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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:37 AM
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The thing both pastors did was to frame the race in terms of black vs white.


Yes, it was racist. Yes, it was hatemongering. Yes, it says something about Obama that he would belong to a church where such things are cheered.

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:39 AM
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1. Yes -- the Clintons want to do that all by themselves
They don't pastors interfering in their race baiting
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:39 AM
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2. Just like when Hillary said she should be the nominee because she was white
and would get more white voters
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:41 AM
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6. yeah those "hard working white voters" of KY and WVA as opposed to Oregon and WI
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:39 AM
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3. As opposed to yellow versus green?
When was the last time you were inside a black church?

What did you think happened there?
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:53 AM
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17. Same thing that happens in a "white" church.
You are fed a line of bullshit then you are frightened or shamed into parting with as much money as possible. I have always found it interesting that almost all "preachers" live like kings as compared to the "least" of their flock.

Black or white it's the longest running con game on earth.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:40 AM
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4. So when Clinton said superdelegates should vote for her...
because this country won't elect a black man...

What does that say about you as a Clinton supporter?
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:41 AM
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5. Actually many black folks belong to so-called "black churches" what does it say about them?
and what does it say about a country where there is still so much segregation in the faith community?
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:43 AM
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That they were not allowed in white churches for 400 years
Would you suggset that all black churches close and the members join white churches?
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:54 AM
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18. Bingo!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:42 AM
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:42 AM
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8. Are you wanting sympathy, or what?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:43 AM
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9. That's It In A Nutshell
And they're just getting started.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:43 AM
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10. Why would the Obama's expose their children to such thinking?
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:44 AM
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12. Because their kids are black...and the sooner they learn that, the better
I'm paraphrasing Malcolm X, but he once said something along the lines that in a America a black man with a million dollars has a special name. That name is Nigger.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:46 AM
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Do you teach your kids your theories on the holocaust?
Really, you're in no position to be complaining.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:02 PM
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19. explain.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:43 AM
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11. Obama has to be held responsible for everything members of the church say?
bullshit
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:45 AM
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13. Yes, Yes, Yes....
and yes, we are going to lose the election if he is the democratic nominee.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:46 AM
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14. How should a racial discussion be framed?
Because if it is not black and white, I am confused.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:46 AM
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15. lol
u are truly blissful, bless your heart
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:48 AM
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16. Since you want the Democratic nominee to win in November...
or else you wouldn't be here, what's your advice for Senator Obama?
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:03 PM
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20. When you have lived your life as a black person on the south side of Chicago,
then come and talk to me about what is and isn't racist.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:04 PM
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21. Butbutbutbut...Chicago is a Democratic Paradise
And all Democrats are fair-minded on race.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:05 PM
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22. Amen.
How many more "Why are the blacks so racist" posts do we need?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:06 PM
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23. White folks will fight to the bitter end to prevent the piercing of the veil.
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Jen-MI Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:20 PM
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24. The way I think about it is....
I have not lived my live as a black person on the south side of Chicago, but I am married to a Hispanic man. I know that racism and discrimination still exist. As a younger person, I think that things are changing and people are more accepting.

I think you are wrong to imply that people have a right to hate because of the way that they have been treated. Two wrongs do not make a right. The way that the church is going about it is all the wrong way. It does not make racial relations better. It just makes them worse. The church should be working to improve relations.

My husband complains how hard it is to live in this country. I tell him to quit feeling sorry for himself and realize all that he has to be thankful for. The opportunities in this country are endless. Everybody who lives here and is born her is truely lucky. Just think about the alternatives. Stop complaining and start doing. If we all did just that we wouldn't have this problem! That is CHANGE for me!
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:36 PM
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26. I wasn't excusing what was said by either pastor
but to put what they said after living a life of varying degrees of oppression on the same level as racist comments made purely out of hate shows an incredible lack of understanding by the author of the OP.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:21 PM
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25. Black and white? You mean "hard working white" don't you?
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