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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:28 PM
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Oh great. America is becoming known as the nation that hates women.
Lucid article from the Montreal Gazette about the Democrats' misogyny problem--revealed in all its glory by the Obama campaign:

Borderline misogyny
Calls for Clinton to quit seem to be because she's a woman
JANET BAGNALL

The demonization of Hillary Clinton has reached such a pitch that when she tried to remind Americans that presidential nomination contests have often carried on into the summer months, she found herself accused of waiting to see whether her opponent, Barack Obama, would be killed....

The increasingly hysterical calls for her to withdraw from the contest started long before last week when she pointed out that it wasn't unusual to continue to campaign into the summer and even up to the convention itself. Her husband didn't nail down the 1992 Democratic nomination until June; Bobby Kennedy was still campaigning in June 1968....

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=0a0131d9-4f0e-4558-86e7-d13c191d2047

Here's a comment on what India thinks of us:
wow.. one of my friends from India just IMed me... she's telling me that they are discussing the US elections on their political shows and are basically making fun of americans and saying how US is more screwed up than they thought.

she's saying on this indian political show, they said how the US doesn't count millions of votes, treats a woman candidate with such disrepect. and then they are comparing it to Indira Gandhi, the former PM of India, and how the political talk show hosts are taking pride in this.. that India had its first woman PM more than 50 years ago..

she says they are talking about how the US keeps acting like its better than everyone, but then they are saying its more screwed up than other countries...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:29 PM
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1. pass
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:30 PM
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48. +1
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:25 PM
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107. I could argue either side of that question, but I'm not going to bother.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 11:28 PM by Radio_Lady
After affirmative action, a lot of us women were able to get into fields that were formerly completely closed to women. Hillary Clinton is eight years younger than I am. There were some tracks for her to follow, and she will also leave her mark on history.

It's too bad Hillary got in the line of fire -- or put herself in the line of fire, but there's no turning back.

For the sake of the party, let's get on with it. I do hope that NEITHER the gender discrimination NOR the discrimination against blacks gets in the way of getting a WINNING TICKET TOGETHER. I believe in strength in numbers, but you may think otherwise.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon







PS. Flames will get you nowhere. Tomorrow is my 69th birthday and I'm not doing it anymore :evilgrin:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:29 PM
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2. And black people have always been showered with kindness.
:eyes:
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:08 PM
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33. Candy and flowers, in fact, just like the troops entering Baghdad. n/t
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:29 PM
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47. You've got to see this.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:16 PM
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37. Showered with spittle
from the Trinity pulpit at least!

(I think the point is about now and not historical injustice and a legacy of prejudice and discrimination.)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:52 PM
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97. yawn
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:29 PM
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3. Wow you found a couple of editorials to support your desired conclusion
:eyes:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:32 PM
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12. Er, actually, one editorial. The other is "a friend of a friend said this."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:32 PM
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13. there have been lots over the last 6 months. did you ignore them?? (posted here on DU)
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:46 PM
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26. Well I've seen a lot of US Editorials claiming racism and sexism
on behalf of BO, but they were just your typical lie-based smear campaign Rovian BS.

It's nice to see HRC prove that yes some Dems are capable of being ruthless, soul less, traitors but most refrain. She is a beacon of filth to us all.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:29 PM
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4. Hillary must be so proud. nt
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:11 PM
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35. Deleted duplicate
Edited on Fri May-30-08 05:38 PM by PoliticalAmazon
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:11 PM
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36. Yeah, especially since INDIA is paying her back for giving them our jobs. n/t
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:17 PM
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39. Silly. Silly
Edited on Fri May-30-08 05:17 PM by JoFerret
(and some would say racist)
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:30 PM
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5. Keep trying, maybe someone, eventually, will believe it
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:30 PM
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6. Apparent alcohol problem...
obsession with guns...

serious financial problems...

delusions of grandeur...

paranoia...

martyr complex...

Boy, oh boy. I've a feeling all those jokes about Kool-Aid are going to come back to haunt the Clinton camp.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:30 PM
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7. our status was going down--now add this.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:31 PM
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8. Thank your candidate.
She's the one devoting all of her energy to encouraging the perception all out of proportion to any gender-based obstacles she's actually faced during the campaign. If Obama pulled half of what she has on the racism issue the U.S. would have an international reputation as being absolutely overrun with Klansmen.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:31 PM
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9. Holy shit! A friend of a friend talked about a show! And a feminist wrote an editorial!
I think an official OHCHR denunciation is next.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:32 PM
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10. Funny, the Democratic Party Queen Bee, Nancy Pelosi, doesn't seem to be
Edited on Fri May-30-08 04:32 PM by wienerdoggie
particularly misogynist--unless "misogyny" means wanting to avoid wrecking our chances by allowing the nomination fight to go on to August because one person can't put her Napoleonic ego aside.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:32 PM
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"Calls for Clinton to quit seem to be because she's a woman"
I stopped reading right there. It's a bullshit article.

She should quit because she fucking lost.
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jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:02 AM
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110. LOL, and exactly. My ass it's because she's a woman. It's because it's OVER.
what nonsense.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:32 PM
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11. Oh great.
Another screed backed up by cherry-picked editorials.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:32 PM
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14. Two fricking articles. Big fucking deal.
OMG! The whole world is turning against us!! :rofl:
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:33 PM
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15. Clinton = Indira Ghandi??
Umm, no. Not even close.

- as
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:16 PM
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38. Indira Gandhi
Edited on Fri May-30-08 05:17 PM by Straight Shooter
"Indian history has been witness to only one female Prime Minister - Indira Gandhi. She was the third Prime Minister of India and the daughter of the first - Pandit Jawarharlal Nehru.

... On June 26th, 1975, Mrs. Gandhi declared an emergency, due to the turbulent political situation in the country at that time. Janta Party leaders like J.P. Narayan were arrested and jailed. But Mrs. Gandhi lost out to them in the next election in 1977 and was re-elected to power in 1980. Later, in Punjab there was a demand for a separate state of Khalistan, and the Sardarji's were up in arms. But their demands were not met and this was the cause of her ultimate assassination.

... On Wednesday, October 31, 1984, when Indira Gandhi was proceeding to her office, she was gunned down by her own bodyguards."

http://www.indiaparenting.com/stories/greatindians/gi010.shtml

Her own bodyguards turned on her. Despicable.



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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:23 PM
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42. "Her own bodyguards turned on her. Despicable."
My goodness. And they were upset after she massacred civilians. How rude.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:29 PM
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46. Betrayal is despicable.
No matter who is doing it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:37 PM
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50. So's massacring civilians.
Which was worse, in your opinion?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:38 PM
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52. Have some milk and cookies for the perfect world you dream of.
And I'll keep Frank for mine.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:39 PM
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53. If, in your world...
Indira Ghandi or Hillary Clinton are in charge of anything, I'll stay, thanks.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:42 PM
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55. Suit yourself.
But do have some milk and cookies. It does wonders to soothe the disposition.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:13 PM
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65. Join Hillary's world instead...they serve hard drinks for thick folks who wanna get drunk fast.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:59 PM
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69. Aren't you just so cute. Bring out the dancing girls for Barrymores Ghost.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:04 PM
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72. Thanks!
You enjoy your weekend, Toots.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:11 PM
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75. You're welcome.
You enjoy yours, too, Pum'kin.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:15 PM
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77. Oooohhh...now you're making me blush, Chickpea....
I'm off to McMenamin's for Happy Hour. I'll lift a Maker's Mark in your honor, yer' Honor.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:20 PM
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78. Beg your pardon, then, darling
But here's my drink, Salut! :D

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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:22 PM
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81. I always figured you for class, babycakes. n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:24 PM
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82. LOL.
:*
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:26 PM
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90. That did it.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 08:33 PM by Barrymores Ghost
I'm switching to vodka.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:50 PM
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94. Now if I could just get you to switch candidates ......
:D
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:09 PM
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73. ...hhhhmm....


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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:21 PM
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80. ...








Keep on squawkin'...you're an inspiring testimony to the power of delusion and denial. Bless yer lil' ol' heart.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:41 AM
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113. Tis a beautiful thang that you've posted!
:toast:
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:49 PM
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60. Well, in my own reading of Indian history,
Sikhs are usually pretty amenable to the political status quo, but they are extremely dangerous as enemies. Perhaps she shouldn't have ordered her army into their shrine at great loss of life.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:14 PM
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76. Thank you for adding cultural perspective to the issue.
Always interesting to hear someone's opinion when it's offered in a nonabrasive manner. :thumbsup:
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:46 PM
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87. I'm actually more familiar with Mughal-period India than post-independance
and I was 10 when she was killed. But she had gotten into the bad habit of crushing dissent with military force - in all societies a good way to paint a target on your back.

Both previous rulers of India - the British and the Mughals - mostly got along with the Sikhs, but both had a lot of trouble with them whenever they tried to interfere with their religious or cultural autonomy.

As for Gandhi and Clinton, I think it's a stretch. Gandhi was the only female PM India has had, and she was the daughter of one of the primary architects of Indian independence, and had the name of another. In American terms, something like Thomas Jefferson's daughter marrying a Washington.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:17 PM
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89. Thank you.
Very interesting. If you could recommend your favorite book on India, I would be most appreciative. My knowledge is very limited with respect to India.
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:59 PM
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98. Unfortunately, I don't remember my Mughal period readings
Most of it was for a college class, and we read a variety of sources. Wikipedia has a decent entry on the first 5 Mughal Emperors, after which the empire went into decline.

For modern Indian history, my favorite book is actually fiction. Salman Rushdie's "Midnight's Children." "The Satanic Verses" controversy may have made him a household name, but this was the book that put him on the literary map. It won the Booker prize when it was published in 1981, as well as a special, "Best of the Booker winners" prize a few years ago. Obviously, it is fictional, and Rushdie has more than a few axes to grind (he was successfully sued by Ms. Gandhi for his portrayal of her, for example), but it covers many of the major events of Indian history from about the turn of the 20th century until the late 1970s. The title refers to children who were born on the exact moment of Indian independence who all have special abilities, one of whom is the narrator.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:22 PM
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101. I prefer fiction which encompasses historic events.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 10:22 PM by Straight Shooter
The book sounds fascinating, and I am intrigued by the notion of children with special abilities due to the circumstance of being born at a historic moment.

Thank you so much. I have noted the title of the book, its author, and will peruse my local library system for it. :hi:

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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:06 AM
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114. yeah, it's a classic.
Rushdie has never outdone it. I've been thinking about rereading it myself. It's long and complex, and Rushdie's writing style is pretty elaborate, but it never bogs down thanks to his sense of humor, imagination and obvious love for his homeland.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:57 AM
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119. I have done some reading on Wikipedia and now cannot wait to read Rushdie's book.
I don't know if his book mentions Akbar or not, but this is one biography I definitely have to find and read.

Everyone knows about Alexander the Great, Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, but how many people are familiar with the name Akbar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbar

Akbar, widely considered the greatest of the Mughal emperors, was only 14 when he became emperor, due to the death of his father Humayun. During his reign, he eliminated external military threats from the Afghan descendants of Sher Shah (an Afghan who was able to temporarily oust Humayun from 1540–1555), and at the Second Battle of Panipat he defeated the Hindu king Samrat Hem Chandra Vikramaditya, also called Hemu. In addition to his military gains, the emperor solidified his rule by repealing the jizya tax on non-Muslims and courting the favour of the powerful Rajput caste, to the extent of marrying Rajput princesses.

Akbar was a polymath: an architect, artisan, artist, armorer, blacksmith, carpenter, construction worker, emperor, engineer, general, inventor, animal trainer (reputedly keeping thousands of hunting cheetahs during his reign and training many himself), lacemaker, technologist and theologian. His most lasting contributions were to the arts. He initiated a large collection of literature, including the Akbar-nama and the Ain-i-Akbari, and incorporated art from around the world into the Mughal collections. He also commissioned the building of widely admired buildings, and invented the first prefabricated homes and movable structures. Having a greatly tolerant attitude toward religion he began a series of religious debates where Muslim scholars would debate religious matters with Sikhs, Hindus, Cārvāka atheists and even Jesuits from Portugal.


Again, thank you so much. It's the opportunity to learn new things that keeps me coming back to DU. :)
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:15 PM
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120. nah, Rushdie's book is all 20th century
There may be an offhand reference or two to the Mughals in there, but not really any detail.

Akbar was indeed a fascinating individual. His wide religious interest actually led him to develop his own personal syncretic faith. A useful trait as a Muslim ruler of a largely non-Muslim population. Most historians consider the reign of his great-grandson, Aurangzeb as the start of the Mughal decline, as he was a zealous Muslim, and spent a huge amount of money and goodwill trying to conquer and convert the non-Muslim parts of India.

By tradition, they are claimed as descendants of Genghis Khan. "Mughal" was the Persian word for Mongol.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:14 PM
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121. A friend of mine came to visit today
He's quite knowledgeable about history, so we chatted a bit about the Moghal Empires (obviously he did most of the talking). He immediately corrected my mispronunciation of "Mughal" :)

When I mentioned Akbar, it was my turn to give him information on how immensely talented and skilled Akbar was. I'm really looking forward to reading his biography and reading Rushdie's book. Usually my reading material is confined to legal/forensic mysteries and such.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:33 PM
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16. What do you mean "becoming known as"? Where have you been
for the last two hundred years?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:34 PM
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19. don't you get it, nothing existed BH.
Before Hillary.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:46 PM
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28. I can be pretty dense sometimes. n/t
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:34 PM
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17. oh yes before this primary the whole world thought we were just wonderful.
Welcome to the real world where other countries aren't our biggest fans.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:34 PM
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18. Lame excuse is lame. n/t
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:38 PM
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20. She wasn't asked to drop out because she's a WOMAN -- SHE'S LOSING!
It had NOTHING TO DO WITH GENDER!!!!! If the roles were
reversed (or if John Edwards were in Obama's place), these same
people would be pushing HIM to get out ...

The Clinton campaign cries SEXISM to distract from the fact
that THEY'VE RUN A LOUSY CAMPAIGN and THEY HAVE LOST.

Fade out.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:39 PM
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21. "Revealed in all its glory by the Obama campaign" - FAIL
At least that's coming from your skewed interpretation and not directly from the Op-Ed...one point in her favor.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:39 PM
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22. Perhaps the Montreal Gazette should mind its own damn business...
after all, Id say they have bigger problems...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:41 PM
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23. only in the demented bubble some Clinton supporters inhabit
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:46 PM
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24. Seem to be because she's a woman?
Sigh.
Guess stupid people don't just live in America, eh? :)
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:46 PM
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25. Editorial comment from the same paper...
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:46 PM
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27. nice of the Canadians to repeat the lie about Bill's nomination
If their basic facts are wrong, is their opinion worth two ounces of spit? It's probably the opinion of a conservative paper that likes the more conservative Clinton.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:56 PM
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29. I hope you didn't spend too many hours searching for these eds. n/t
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:57 PM
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30. One article and one comment = America is being known as.
Exaggeration Filter On
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:05 PM
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:43 PM
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56. "alleged" racism?
Oh, dear....
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:08 PM
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32. We're already know, thanks to Hillary and her bigots, as the nation....
that hates African-Americans.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:10 PM
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34. Well, of COURSE. Hillary gave India our jobs. They will help her whnever they can. n/t
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:18 PM
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40. No surprise here. Next......
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:19 PM
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41. "Calls for Clinton to quit ...
... seem to be because she's a woman."

Now there's some investigative journalism for you!

:rofl:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:23 PM
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43. India's weighing in? Don't they still burn women alive from time to time?
As to the RFK comment, how exactly is that construed as misogyny? As a feminist from early on, I'm truly amused by some of these claims.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:25 PM
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44. I see you're doing a good job of stirring up anger and resentment...
Granted, Max Headroom is a noble character that suggests deep underlying thought and consideration. So, going by your avatar, I must be wrong about this.

Still, maybe you could try posting something that's productive to the cause of democrats, instead of these posts that seem to be dedicated to focusing on their differences?

Just a thought. I'm thinking you could really help out by posting this sort of chiding commentary on the republican boards.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:27 PM
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45. Indians are pissed! Especially Punjabis!
They thought their Senator was going to become President and BRING HOME THE JOBS!!

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:32 PM
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49. I thought we were known as terrorists - maybe women haters is a step up.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:37 PM
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51. Most of Europe feels differently.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:41 PM
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54. sure we are Perry ... sure we are...because an opinion based editorial says so
Edited on Fri May-30-08 05:44 PM by iamthebandfanman
im sure that hit of acid sure is jealous of your taking so much time bashing Obama and that program you use to edit video is probably lonelier than it usually is because you simply havent the time to give....

please perry, just go back to making videos that make no sense and, if anything, is marginally funny because of the way you act... that way noone will ever know you even tried to come out from under the rock.

p.s.
if you want any crediability on anything you post, dont use an editorial as the source.

mental health is serious business Perry. think about it. thats all im saying.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:44 PM
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57. Perry, Perry, Perry....
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:48 PM
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58. This is so stupid. Hillary is one woman. She is not ALL women.
She does not speak for me, and she does not represent me. This woman votes for the candidate, not the apparatus.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:49 PM
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59. FYI, India LOVES the Clintons
for the jobs they've brought. Hardly an unbiased opinion of Hillary's campaign.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:54 PM
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61. What a load of CRAP ... I guess it would be
better to be known as a country that hates black people huh? or old white men. :sarcasm: Cause you know it would be one or the other, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. :argh:
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:54 PM
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62. it is not women
it is just Hillary. Just because a woman does not want to sleep with you, does not mean she rejects all men. It may just be you, and perhaps only you, that she finds offensive.

I have no problem with women, I am married to one and work for another, no problems. I just don't care for Hillary. President Pelosi could be an interesting choice and one that I would be entirely likely to support. It is just Hillary.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:03 PM
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63. Hillary Nutcracker
Edited on Fri May-30-08 06:09 PM by ProSense
Terry McAwful owns one.

Hillary, Nutcrackers & Sexism

May 30, 2008 10:39 AM

ABC News' Claire Shipman took a look at sexism and the campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, this morning on GMA.

Check it out.

Claire also made mention of the Women's Media Center and its video "Sexism May Sell, But I'm Not Buying It!" which you can watch HERE.

For a counterpoint, check out Peggy Noonan's "Sex and the Sissy," where she writes, "If Golda Meir, a woman of not only proclaimed but actual toughness, heard about Golda nutcrackers, she would have bought them by the case and given them away as party favors."

For the record, the other day on Fox News Channel Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe said he owned a Hillary Nutcracker. Is that sexist?

That's Hillary's campaign manager for you.

Maybe Hillary's campaign against sexism should begin by cleaning up her own house.



edited extra word

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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:09 PM
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64. Self-Delete
Edited on Fri May-30-08 06:11 PM by CaptJasHook
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:36 PM
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66. No thanks but here is a cookie for your concern. n/t
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:37 PM
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67. We just hate "her". I can't even say her name anymore. eom
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:21 PM
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79. I went through that stage too.
I've called her Hillary or HilLIARy until one day I couldn't say her name. I typed "She" and "Her" for days. Now I call her Clinton. She will never be Hillary again. She is gone.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:52 PM
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68. Thats why the election is being investigated for racism by the UN
Edited on Fri May-30-08 06:54 PM by muryan
A special U.N. human rights investigator will visit the United States this month to probe racism, an issue that has forced its way into the race to secure the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.

The United Nations said Doudou Diene would meet federal and local officials, as well as lawmakers and judicial authorities during the May 19-June 6 visit

"The special rapporteur will...gather first-hand information on issues related to racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," a U.N. statement said on Friday.

His three-week visit, at U.S. government invitation, will cover eight cities -- Washington D.C., New York, Chicago, Omaha, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Miami and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Race has become a central issue in the U.S. election cycle because Sen. Barack Obama, the frontrunner in the battle for the Democratic nomination battle, stands to become the country's first African American president.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080516/pl_nm/un_usa_racism_dc
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:02 PM
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70. Freaky Deaky
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:04 PM
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71.  CIA mockingbirds sing for their dinners.
Touching.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:10 PM
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74. Go away.
You're like a pesky, silly fly. Annoying for a while, but very very temporary.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:26 PM
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85. Give him a break.
Maybe bad acid.

(rickroll free guaranteed . I HATE RICKROLLERS)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yb3fGkOi8tE
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:25 PM
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83. I don't see what the problem is. We're already known as being assholes.
And near as I can tell, there's not a whole lot of global outrage over the treatment of women in -- say -- Afghanistan or, hey! India, where women are doused in kerosene and set on fire. (The groom's family has already collected the dowry, who needs the chick?)

But yeah, I'm really disturbed about the global reputation of the U.S. on the whole women's rights front. I'm certain the rest of the world is utterly aghast.

You're an intelligent person, why don't you try thinking some of this stuff through?

Peace,
sw
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:26 PM
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84. "becoming known"????
since when are women treated well here?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:43 PM
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86. is`t just awful ,,,,,some people were not raised correctly
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:48 PM
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88. Hey, combine that with our anti-birth control right wing and the US looks like
crap.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:39 PM
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91. Old meme.
Still a red herring.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:43 PM
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92. You must take Operation Chaos very seriously.
DU does not.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:45 PM
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93. The response to your thread just proves your point.
:-(
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:11 PM
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95. I hear America singing...
Her varied carols I hear. These comments clarify how this all came about:

From Texas on, Obama waged a non-stop character attack on Hillary that dominated the headlines.

My problem now is that I not only do not trust Obama, but I don't want to be a part of a group that pushed this type of smear campaign to win.

Race is an issue because the Obama people knew how to play it. All they needed were a handful of the Villagers and a compliant MSM to hold their disbelief and those pretend charges became fact. Seeing the hatred spew forth on blogs friendly to Obama is disgusting. Putting this support behind an unprepared and inexperienced candidate who has so many holes in is resume as to beg an answer is deeply puzzling.

Via Politico, the Pew Research Center has a new report, available here, finding 49% of white women and 35% of Democratic white women now have a negative perception of Obama. Politico summarizes:

Forty-nine percent of white women view Obama unfavorably, while only 43 percent hold a favorable opinion. In February, 36 percent of these women viewed Obama unfavorably, while 56 percent had a positive perception of the likely Democratic nominee.

Over the same period, Democratic white women's negative view of Obama increased from 21 percent to 35 percent, while their positive view decreased from 72 percent to 60 percent — roughly the same rate as white women overall.

For months now I have believed that the GOP wanted Obama to win all along - b/c they knew that Hillary could beat McCain.

I am absolutely lost if Hillary doesn't win the nomination. I can't abide an Obama presidency. So I guess I will work and support John McCain. I don't see we have much choice really. Its not so much an issue of revenge, or protest. Its a genuine concern that Obama is more of a threat to this country than McCain. I may not like McCain, I have a lot of reservations about the Supreme Court nominees, and the war, but Obama is just dangerously inexperienced and inept. It really does become an issue of who is the lesser of two evils. I just don't understand how it came to this. I don't understand how the DNC can allow this. And how they can't see or hear our voices.

Its incredible how the neo-liberals have mischaracterized the Clintons and have blindly supported Obama and the Rovian tactics that have been used during this primary election season. All of the critical articles Conason has written about Rove over the last 8 years and he still doesn't get it that Axelrove has used the same tactics—-attacking the character and the strengths of the opponent

Now the neo-liberal, far-left have become the fanatical fringe spewing hatred. It seems that the neo-liberals have taken the extremist far-right hate tactics into their playbooks and they cannot even see that they have done so—-at their own short-sighted ridiculousness and peril—especially for the future of our democracy and America.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:12 PM
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96. Error: You Already Freaky Deakied This Thread.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:00 PM
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99. Nope... just ONE woman
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:06 PM
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100. Wow.... another Hillbot cut and paste from a right wing source.
Canada.com (and all affiliated newspapers) is a Conrad Black operation. You know.... Rupert Murdoch's even more insane evil twin??
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:23 PM
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102. Indira Ghandi didn't cry sexism at every point in her campaign
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:43 PM
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103. Yeah, because India is such a hotbed of feminism...
Indira Gandhi aside, they treat the rest of their women worse than their cows. Ever hear of suttee?
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:44 PM
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104. when we have to start wearing burkas, I'll start worrying, until then...
honey, thanks for doing the dishes tonight....
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:19 PM
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105. So does this count as reverse - sexismbaiting against Obama then?
Or does that only work with Obama supporters and allegations of racism?
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:23 PM
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106. Words are cheap. nt
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:41 PM
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108. Of course, they never tell you that campaigns never started before March
Now we see campaigns starting in early January.

Big difference.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:58 PM
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109. "The increasingly hysterical calls...."
"The increasingly hysterical calls"...

Yeah. Uhm. Where's the poutrage over this article being sexist?

Hmmm?

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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:09 AM
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111. Well I wouldn't call this Love


In the US, a woman is raped every 6 minutes; a woman is battered every 15 seconds.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/violence-against-women/violence-against-women---a-fact-sheet/page.do?id=1108440&n1=3&n2=39
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:12 AM
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112. Shame on the Democratic Party leadership
who seems to have more of a blind spot on this issue than the average US voter.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:14 AM
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115. No, we just hate you
Does this nonsensical drivel you post really benefit anyone?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:15 AM
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116. Obama also alienates men! He once led Hillary among white men by 4.6% but now trails her by 12.9%.
Edited on Sat May-31-08 06:17 AM by Perry Logan
That's quite a stat. Either Obama is making white guys more racist, or he's the Worst Candidate Ever™.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:46 AM
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117. Half the party: "Misogyny!!" The other half: "Racism!!"
One hears more about the misogyny accusations since Hillary is losing, but if she manages to secure the nomination, we can rest assured that those slinging "racism" accusations will take over from the "misogyny" purveyors.

Now I realize that the repubs avoid this by running white male candidates, but is there something about our party that lends to the kind of division that we are faced with now? How do we get ourselves into such situations?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 07:31 AM
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118. There you go insulting the world's intelligence.
Soesn't say much for ya' chief.
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