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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:41 AM
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Arlen Specter is against the same healthcare program that saved his life
I'm not sure if this has been fully discussed, but Arlen Specter was adamant about not wanting to have "government-run" healthcare implemented nationally when asked on Meet The Press on May 3.

Video: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30546663#30546663

The transcript:

MR. GREGORY: It was reported this week that when you met with the president you said, "I will be a loyal Democrat. I support your agenda." Let me test that on probably one of the most important areas of his agenda, and that's health care. Would you support health care reform that puts up a government-run public plan to complete with a private plan issued by a private insurance company?

SEN. SPECTER: No. And you misquote me, David. I did not say I would be a loyal Democrat. I did not say that. And last week, after I said I was changing parties, I voted against the budget because the budget has a way to pass health care with a 51 votes, which undermines a basic Senate institution to require 60 votes to impose cloture on, on key issues. But I...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30535930/page/3/


What Gregory didn't ask as a follow-up (i.e., didn't do his job) was how Senators (and congress people) are given that is a government-run public plan that gives people like Specter the healthcare coverage he needed to survive his brain cancer bouts!

So is Arlen Specter, as well as all those who ballyhoo against "socialist", "European-style" government-run healthcare against the very coverage they get from our tax dollars?

Are they against the Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) Program, which insures millions of federal workers and works? It's socialist, European-style, government-run healthcare, after all... Here is how the coverage is described on the web site:

The Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) Program can help you and your family meet your health care needs. Federal employees, retirees and their survivors enjoy the widest selection of health plans in the country. You can choose from among Consumer-Driven and High Deductible plans that offer catastrophic risk protection with higher deductibles, health savings/reimbursable accounts and lower premiums, or Fee-for-Service (FFS) plans, and their Preferred Provider Organizations (PPO), or Health Maintenance Organizations (HMO) if you live (or sometimes if you work) within the area serviced by the plan.

(snip)

Health information technology, based on broadly accepted standards, will allow patients, health care providers and payers (insurance carriers) to share information securely, driving down costs by avoiding duplicate procedures and manual transactions. More importantly, HIT will reduce medical errors; for instance, from misread, handwritten prescriptions and emergency care medical decisions made without complete and accurate information.

Since privacy and security considerations are central to Federal HIT implementation plans, patient records will be protected from inappropriate disclosure.

http://www.opm.gov/INSURE/HEALTH/


I would indeed hope that one of Arlen Specter's new issues he wants to bring up include getting rid of The Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) Program... after all, it's socialist! It saved his life! Maybe that's a bad thing...

I would implore any and all of those Senators and Congress people to join Specter and show us they indeed don't need the coverage and will walk the walk.

I won't hold my breath...


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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:45 AM
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1. Someone should raise this point with Specter
That he doesn't want the rest of America to have what he has.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:46 AM
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2. He's not the only one
Congress all have subsidized healthcare, but most of them don't want the rest of us to have the same benefits.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:51 AM
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3. This is indeed a VALID "pitchfork" issue
Forget the Teabag Nagging Whiners and that they just want a free ride. For any politician to say that the rest of America doesn't deserve what they get EVEN THOUGH WE PAY FOR IT is indeed the way to frame the healthcare reform issue.

It's a lot easier than trying to explain the details of healthcare reform.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:55 AM
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7. We're an abstract concept to them, that's why
They don't connect us to them.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:52 AM
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4. Of course! Why would the ruling class want the serfs to have what they have?
Don't you know that politiking and govermenting is hard work?

:sarcasm:
...and "yes:" I used the wrong form of the verb "to be" on purpose.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:53 AM
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5. Has anyone asked guys like Arlan exactly what they have against
an optional public plan? If I remember right, he said he was FOR the status quo where people get ins. through their employer, but that answer doesn't explain why they think an optional public plan along with the status quo wouldn't be a BETTER IDEA.

I think I KNOW the answer...the ins co's think it will hurt their business...but I want to hear one of those idiots actually SAY THAT!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:04 AM
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8. I'd love to corner these people and ask why something we pay that they have...
...isn't good enough for us.

Corner these f*ckers and ask point-blank why the very healthcare support they get just can't be done... of course, they would say it costs too much... and that's one big quicksand pool that they would step in at that point.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:58 AM
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17. I wonder what the bankruptcy numbers are on cancer patients who aren't govt. employees. nt
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:53 AM
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6. And Obama supports this asshole in the PA election?!!
Sheesh. Anyone can see that Spectre
is a Reep wolf in Dem sheep clothing.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:57 AM
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16. Prez Obama's take on healthcare has a great deal of fluidity to it.
That has its pluses and minuses.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:28 AM
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9. Thanks for a great post!
The grasping hypocrisy of this creature seems to know no limits.

Get the hook and pull him off the stage, please....:thumbsdown: :puke:
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:36 AM
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10. But he's only against it for ordinary people.
It's not like those in his class would have to suffer under the rules he wants for the common folk.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:51 AM
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11. In the interview, he kept mentioning he "fights for the little man"...
Maybe it's the Little Man in the Red Suit with Horns whispering in his ear...

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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:51 AM
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12. Arlen Spector probably has Blue Cross
which is one of the choices available to Senators (that's what Kerry said he had in the 2004 campaign)

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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:51 AM
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13. The FEHB program is administered by OPM, but Fed. employees are still insured by private companies
That participate in the program. I'm a retired Fed and I have BC/BS.

Oh, and the FEHB program is not immune to politics. For example, unlike the BC/BS plan I would have in the private sector - federal employee health plans don't cover the cost of abortions, thanks to Bush. And as as far as I know, Obama hasn't lifted that restriction.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:52 AM
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14. Newt did the same thing - he got help from the federal government
his entire life, since he went to public schools through high school, He attended college, again attending schools that receive federal money, then became a professor, again at an institution receiving federal money. Then became a member of congress, receiving a federal paycheck as well as all the cash and perks he could steal, now benefits from the federal health care/retirement system, still from federal funds. He spent his entire political career pissing and moaning against people who got government "handouts" (CODE for poor and probably minority) and the civil service employees who he used as a target whenever he needed one.

Specter is that type of pol.

mark
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:56 AM
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15. Yes. He's a shameless hypocrite. nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 12:37 PM
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18. He's not AGAINST it - he just doesn't want YOU to have it
I think giving everyone the FEHB would be the proper thing to do.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 02:57 PM
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25. Nail on the head!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:59 PM
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27. Bingo!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 01:04 PM
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19. Asking any GOP dweeb about this should be the first talking point in the healthcare argument
It should be the first thing out of any Democratic talking head whenever a GOP bot says nobody wants "socialized healthcare".

The immediate response should be that EVERY Senator, congress person and those in federal jobs (millions of people) already get "socialized healthcare".

If it's a Senator or Congress person mimicking the tired argument, they should be beat about the head verbally asking why they have "socialized healthcare" AND don't want the taxpayers WHO PAY FOR IT to have any.

There is no answer that would not just expose them for being hypocritical, selfish asshats.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 01:06 PM
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20. Baucus has taken the public option off the table for now.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 01:14 PM
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21. Fuck the little people - the slimy pig Specter believes he's better & deserves more, why?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 01:52 PM
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23. Because he's entitled to be a US Senator- and we are not
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 01:40 PM
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22. Same with McSame
Saved his life, paid for the birth of all his children, etc. But it's too "socialistic" for the proletariat
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 02:43 PM
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24. We need to smackdown McSame on this...
I smell a nice, big juicy ad exposing those against healthcare reform...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 05:59 PM
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26. Perhaps we just need to kick Specter back onto the street...
...after I read that he thinks Franken should not be seated...

It takes more to being a Democrat than just sliding a (D) by your name when you are whining Repig talking points on TV.


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