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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:49 AM
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AP: Senators Weigh 3 (shitty) Government Health Plans
Start lowering your expectations for health care reform. Or fight harder. Because what's on the table right now sucks.

Senators are considering three different designs for a new government health insurance plan that middle-income Americans could buy into for the first time, congressional officials said Friday. Officials familiar with the proposals said senators plan to debate them in a closed meeting next week. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because details of the controversial plans have not been released.

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The three approaches being discussed are:

-Create a plan that resembles Medicare, administered by the Health and Human Services department.

-Adopt a Medicare-like plan, but pick an outside party to run it. That way government officials would not directly control the day-to-day operations.

-Leave it up to individual states to set up a public insurance plan for their residents.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/senators-weigh-3-governme_n_200830.html

The first option sounds good, but if you read the whole article you'll see that it's a watered down plan.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:52 AM
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1. we need to band together and attack our senators and congressmen.
They can't in any way water the government plan down. I agree with a public option amongst private...but no way in hell will I agree with a watered down version.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:59 AM
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2. I read the whole article and I think you're jumping to conclusions.
The details of the Medicare-like plan aren't "watered down" -- they haven't been decided yet.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 01:03 AM
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4. Just reading between the lines
The only good public plan would have to be offered to everyone. And if that happened:

If the public plan were open to all employers and individuals _ and if it paid doctors and hospitals the same as Medicare _ it would quickly grow to 131 million members, while enrollment in private insurance plans would plummet, the study found.


This would effectively put the private insurance companies out of business. The fact that single payer advocates aren't even invited to the meetings suggests that they're not interested in killing the private insurers...even though the public is okay with that.

I don't mean to be a downer, but I think the plan is going to suck.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 01:01 AM
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3. the first option doesn't sound shitty, it sounds like the public option
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 07:07 AM
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5.  Why we risked arrest for single-payer health care. **.....
Edited on Sat May-09-09 07:08 AM by snowdays

edit to add link.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/may/why_we_risked_arrest.php

By Margaret Flowers, M.D.
May 8, 2009

On May 5, eight health care advocates, including myself and two other physicians, stood up to Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and the Senate Finance Committee during a “public roundtable discussion” with a simple question: Will you allow an advocate for a single-payer national health plan to have a seat at the table?

The answer was a loud, “Get more police!” And we were arrested and hauled off to jail.

The fact that a national health insurance program is supported by the majority of the public, doctors and nurses apparently means nothing to Sen. Baucus. The fact that thousands of people in America are dying every year because they can’t get health care means nothing. The fact that over 1 million Americans go into bankruptcy every year due to medical debt — even though most of them had insurance when they got sick — means nothing.

And so, as the May 5 meeting approached, we prepared for another one of the highly scripted, well-protected events that are supposed to make up the “health care debate” using standard tools of advocacy. We organized call-in days and faxes to the members of the committee requesting the presence of one single-payer advocate at the table of 15. Despite thousands of calls and faxes, the only reply — received on the day before the event — was, “Sorry, but no more invitations will be issued.”

We knew that this couldn’t be correct. We had heard Sen. Baucus say on that very same day that “all options were on the table.” And so, the next day, we donned our suits and traveled to Washington. We had many knowledgeable single-payer advocates in our group. And as the meeting started, one of us, Mr. Russell Mokhiber, stood up to say that we were here and we were ready to take a seat. And he was promptly removed from the room.

In that moment, it all became so clear. We could write letters, phone staffers, and fax until the machines fell apart, but we would never get our seat at the table.

The senators understand that most people want a national health system and that an improved Medicare for All would include everybody and provide better health care at a lower cost. These facts mean nothing to most of them because they respond to only one standard tool of advocacy: money, and lots of it.

The people seated at the table represented the corporate interests: private health insurers and big business and those who support their agenda. The people whose voices were heard all represented organizations which pay huge sums of money to political campaigns. These interests profit greatly from the current health care industry and do not want changes that will hurt their large, personal pocketbooks.

And so, we have entered a new phase in the movement for health care as a human right: acts of civil disobedience. It is time to directly challenge corporate interests. History has shown that in order to gain human rights, we must be willing to speak out and risk arrest. We must engage in actions that expose corporate fraud and corruption. We must make our presence known.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 02:11 PM
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6. The biggest obstacle is that nearly all of these lawmakers -
from both parties - are in the pockets of big insurance and big pharma. They know it, we know it, but it isn't even slightly embarrassing to them.
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