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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 01:32 AM
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Specter open to public health plan
WASHINGTON (AP) — Sen. Arlen Specter says he's open to a government health insurance plan that would compete with private insurers to cover middle-class Americans, a policy reversal for the newest Democrat.

Specter had upset many in his new party with his opposition to the public plan, which is perhaps the most controversial component of the health reform debate in Congress.

But in a letter to the progressive group Health Care for America Now, Specter said he looks forward to "discussing and considering" the issue. He said a starting point could be a proposal by Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., that seeks to maintain a level playing field between the private and public sector.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i0RKUmB01orvPi9ljrUs54xhfUkgD9844HH06
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Lorax7844 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 01:34 AM
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1. good everyone here should call his office
and make sure that he knows we mean business. If he wants to be a democrat he has to act like one.

His office number is (202) 224-4254 .
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 01:39 AM
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3. Big deal Specter approves. The public option is bogus hokey pokey.
Edited on Tue May-12-09 02:29 AM by avaistheone1
It amounts to no real change. Sheesh doesn't it tell you anything that Specter is immediately on board?

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:02 AM
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8. You don't have a clue how to get real change...so you get the
:thumbsdown:
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:58 AM
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15. He/She gets the GASFACE!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:14 AM
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18. Just because you offer no solutions you get the
:spank:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:21 AM
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19. You didn't offer one either.
The point is that I support a public option. I fully want universal/single payer health care. However, I realize the political climate won't allow that. So considering that the political climate is wrought with Republicans who hate the American people and Dems who are either bought off by corporations or hate the American people. I want to make sure I support a plan that pushes a positive idea nd get things done. O's plan is a public option, not one where we have to buy insurance. Again I think he's working on it. If we pay it will be like a tax payment put into a co-pay amount or possibly totally free. I don' think it will be in the hundreds of dollars because he wants to get 46 million people insured. Keeping it in the 100s doesn't get people on board or in the plan.

Secondly, O knows the failures of the Mass plan. He won't let that happen with the Gov plan.IN any event I support the public option because it can pass and if it has strong guidelines like free to small costs, to provides everything medicare does and more and allows for crowding-out (which is will no matter what) then we're game because private insurance and still be taken down.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:25 AM
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23. Wrong. I support single payer. That is the option I offer.
Where are you getting your information about the public option.
I would appreciate a link.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:45 AM
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25. Sure thing..
Public Finance/Public Policy by Johnathan Gruber...any Health Economics text book.

http://candidblogger.blogspot.com/2009/04/public-health-insurance-option-key-to.html

The above might be helpful.

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009051908/obama-administration-makes-clear-its-support-public-health-insurance-plan

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123958544583612437.html <---this particular article has an inside scare tactic...to keep people from supporting public option. And they should be fearful because exactly what they lay out will happen except if O puts a small monthly fee maybe a co-pay of sorts for $30 a visit or a monthly payment of $30 a month---the costs would be met and would work like a tax does without issuing a tax. In the end Americans win because they don't see the fee similar to a tax and it shuts up the repubs who are dumb. And we still get a public option that destroys the private insurance that allows a sort of universal health care similar to the UK to be established.

You could find out a lot of information on the crowding out affect. O even mentioned it at the health summit and it's mentioned in the WSJ article. Its something that is found in businesses. However, it can work when a government entity takes over a market or provides something that was normally run by the market. IN this case health care. It pushes out other plays and crows out the other players from participating on an even playing field.

Let me know if that's good.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 01:35 AM
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2. Too late. DUers have decided that only single payer will do.
And they are attacking Howard Dean for his support of it, enlisting Nader and Sirota. I often agree with Sirota but not this time.

We have a chance to get an option that will lead to single payer, but DUers have decided no.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:39 AM
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4. Why insist on single payer now when you can get there with a whole lot less
controversy? Sometimes I think there are people who simply want a fight.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 04:48 AM
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6. What we should be insisting on is a real public plan, not one that has been
Edited on Tue May-12-09 04:50 AM by pnwmom
watered down to make it easier for private insurers to compete. The words "level playing field" means that the government plan shouldn't be able to achieve cost savings unavailable to the private insurers. Even though the whole point of the govt. option is that it SHOULD be cheaper because it doesn't have to include a profit margin.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:45 AM
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13. Why not get the public plan approved first?
I think it would be great if the public plan started with a profit margin which shrank under these guys noses, giving them competition and a run for their money.

Isn't that the best way of influencing the plans that already exist? I like it!!!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:20 AM
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11. Many so-called "Progressives" use the same black-n-white thinking that doomed the GOP.
Being a liberal does not necessarily make one emotionally more mature then the Puke:
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:33 AM
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24. Yes, let's be mature and continue getting
ripped off by the predatory health insurance companies who deny us care but charge us some of the highest rates in the world for some of the worst health outcomes in the developed world.



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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 12:41 PM
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26. You are overlooking a key point. The Rethugs were the ones who began
pushing the "level playing field" concept. They acknowledge that the government run plan would be cheaper because it wouldn't have the need for a built in profit. They say this isn't FAIR to the private insurers -- and it would result in everybody flocking to the government plan -- so they are demanding concessions that would "level the playing field." But this would defeat the whole purpose of a government run option!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:34 AM
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7. Oh, come on now
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 04:47 AM
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5. Problem with that is that the "level playing field" means that the
government run option won't be able to achieve the cost savings that it otherwise would, if it is to let the private insurers "compete."
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:05 AM
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9. Arlen must have gotten the message last week when he suddenly
Edited on Tue May-12-09 07:06 AM by Vinca
became very junior after the Norm Coleman remark.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:07 AM
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10. Schumer's proposal completely gutted the "public option".
It was sickening. I called his office to complain.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:25 AM
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12. So he favors a "public" plan that won't cost less than private insurance!
Sure don't want to cut into insurance industry profits!

He's so transparent!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:22 AM
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20. did you ?! Good. If it doesn't uphold a solid public option then we don't do it. n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:49 AM
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14. Specter is and has always been a paper tiger
What he says doesn't matter. When it comes time for a vote though, just wave a big "Do this or else" and he'll comply... whoever waves it first...
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:37 AM
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16. NOW we want "a level playing field" between public and private?
After decades of a very uneven playing field-- private way out on top, driving lots of people away due to their ever escalating costs-- dominating the market and killing off previous attempts to get a public option--

NOW they want a LEVEL playing field?

NOW they can devise ways to trim 1.5% from their PLANNED COST INCREASES to save us $2 Trillion over the next ten years?

Where were they over the last ten years when more and more people were excluded from their ever escalating expensive care?

They didn't bother cutting costs by $2 Trillion over the past decade but GOLLY GEE WE'RE SO GRATEFUL NOW?

Hey Ma, look at all the money I'm not gonna spend in the next ten years!
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:50 AM
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17. I'm sorry, I just have to refer to him as S.P.E.C.T.E.R.
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Twinguard Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:22 AM
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21. I like that.
It makes me want to go back and read the old Fleming 007 books again.
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:23 AM
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22. Who cares?
We don't need his vote anyways. We only need 50 votes to pass major health care overhaul legislation. We better not water it down for this Repuke.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 12:42 PM
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27. What? Schumer's "public" option? pft
that broke kneed option is pretty thin gruel..
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