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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:38 PM Original message |
White House: Law only answer for gays in military |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. How sad. An American citizen in the year 2009 fired for |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. It's called being able to have 2nd class citizens. |
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charlie and algernon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. did I read a different article than everyone else?? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Talk is cheap |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. This is BS |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Laws that do not protect citizens against discrimination should not be followed period! |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. You're defending discrimination by arguing it's the law |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Its the fucking law. He said he wants it repealed. Now Congress has to do their job |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Why doesn't Obama set a deadline for congress to get this |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. I thought so. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
104. No, he should NOT try to bend it |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
72. That is a good point |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Meanwhile...gay people are being discriminated against and being forced to give up |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
68. How is he going to do that? |
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charlie and algernon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. which is why the article explicitly says that Obama is going to fix it through legislation |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. What more do I need? Maybe you should pose that question |
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PatGund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
111. what's more... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. Weasel words. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. No. DADT is the law. The President is supposed to follow the law, isn't he? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Of course he should follow the law but what about an executive order here? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. an executive order would be unconstitutional |
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charlie and algernon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. exactly, I'm glad someone else gets it! |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Got it and I answered your other post. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. He can't overturn Law. With an executive order. It was passed by Congress and signed by a sitting |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Now I understand. On to pt #2, why does it have to be enforced while we wait for it to be changed? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You want to talk about laws, what a fucking joke! |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. If this is the case, why haven't any courts overturned DADT? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Why didn't the courts abolish slavery? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. They didn't have the power to do so. A political/military solution was required |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. And why is that not the case now? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. The law appears to give him broad authority to suspend discharges... |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
105. Slavery was the law, too, and so was Jim Crow. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Slavery was abolished by the 13 Amendment, Jim Crow by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. The dates on which the law caught up to morality are irrelevant. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. no. per the constitution, Congress sets the rules for the military |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Ok, thanks but that still leave part II unanswered, why doesn't Obama just not enforce this law |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
99. Do you really want a President to pick and choose which laws to enforce? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
51. See also: |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
101. Well, there ya go then |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
95. absolutely weasel words |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Doesn't have their backs |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
82. That's a good point. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
10. it's like saying you can't join the military because you have a defect |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. I'm tired of the fucking people who keep making excuses for the people that do this. |
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SWr (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
73. actually |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #73 |
110. but I think you know what I mean |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
13. Grrr. It's a stupid fucking law, but it's the law. However, aren't there a whole bunch of idiotic |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
29. I don't see what else people want from Obama. He said he wants it overturned. Now its up to you |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. No it's up to him to get on the asses of his Democratic |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. No. You have to. There is a reason you elected members of Congress |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. You don't fool anyone. LOL!! |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #37 |
109. Waiting for someone else to fix it is an excuse in itself. |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. "And I certainly don't want to see him making this a priority before Healthcare is done." |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Yup. I'd like to see this President. Not get into a fight thats going to damage |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yes, equal rights can always wait. Thanks for your support. |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
93. See how easy it is to break the Democratic Coalition? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Lulz. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Deleted sub-thread |
tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
102. He can do it. Legally. |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
33. This isn't hard: |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
36. Isn't it nice to have a President that follows the law. NM |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. It sure is! |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Does DADT supercede the 14th Amendment? |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
70. No it doesn't.... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
100. So now Obama is the entire Supreme Court? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Wasn't it nice when segregation was law? And that people upheld it? |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Apples and oranges, Bluebear |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Discrimination and discrimination. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Apples and oranges. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. OK thanks |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. You seem to think I'm saying discrimination is okay. I'm not. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. He can suspend any more people being fired from the military while the law works out |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Only if they were essential to national security. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Movin' movin' movin', keep them goalposts movin'... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Moving goal posts? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Uh huh. Yeah. Suspending discharges while Congress updates law... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. I violently disagree with you on this, Old Friend |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. And I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm saying. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. I do -- teh "apples and oranges" upset me |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Again, I was addressing the approach to something, not the thing |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Do you think Obama should NOT suspend discharges pending review of the law? You think that's better? |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. See my response to your post just below this one. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I apologize. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Thank you; accepted. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. I agree with everything you say but suspend the discharges while the law is changed. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. If it can be done in a way that sticks while the law is changed, then |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. really? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I was told on here the other day that this wasn't true |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. And when Johnson declared the Civil Rights Act? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. I wish he'd follow this one: |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Noo!!! 1 DADT is the **LAW** OK!???? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Yeah...that actually goes against the law..hence the reason he doesn't use it. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. A code of law violates law? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. To be honest...I don't get the whole thing. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. An honest questtion: how is President Obama working to get rid of DADT? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #66 |
106. *crickets* |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #58 |
96. I agree. He's a constitutional lawyer. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
94. It's essential to national security of the US to have gay people in the military? |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. What an apt user name |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. And how many gay Arab linquists have been discharged? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
64. If Pres. Obama issues an executive order, what's to stop the next president |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Executive order not needed. Existing code allows him to... |
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SWr (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. not really |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Link on why it's not part of "any provision of law"? |
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SWr (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. first and second line |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. I don't see why that means the Lt. can't be "saved" |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. See also: |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Oops |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
87. I love these threads |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I think they are disgusting and not the least bit laughable |
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JustinL (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
103. I think the words of Martin Luther King are appropriate here |
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