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Old Hank Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:01 AM
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Michael Moore's take on Photo-gate
Edited on Thu May-14-09 12:03 AM by Old Hank
Oscar winning Michael Moore reacts today to President Obama's comment to the effect that he feels uncomfortable releasing the detainee abuse photos requested by the ACLU:

Moore visualizes the President's discomfort.



This is accompanied by the following comment: "President Obama does 'not feel comfortable' with following law and releasing more prisoner abuse pictures"

Found in the front page of http://www.michaelmoore.com/ as we speak.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:03 AM
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1. Moore is an enemy of the people. n/t
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:42 AM
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25. No, he's an enemy of this decision of Obama's. And he has a perfect right to be.
Just because he disagrees with some of Obama's decisions doesn't mean he's against Obama.
He just disagrees, which is healthy.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:30 PM
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37. Sure he is. Moore is part of the right-wing Republican conspiracy.

Are you fricken nuts?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:04 AM
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2. Ouch!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:05 AM
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3. Always been a big Michael Moore fan ...
... and probably will be again in future.

But THIS pairing of photos, and what it is meant to imply, is truly despicable.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:07 AM
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6. It is both nasty and unrelated to the actual argument at hand.
It's a pure ad hom, and it reminds me why I find Moore is best enjoyed in small doses.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:39 AM
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10. What's despicable about it?
Seems to me to reflect an (un)comfortable truth about what went on....
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:18 PM
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34. What "truth" is it reflecting?
The juxtaposition of those photos is implying that while people are being tortured, Obama is lounging around enjoying himself, completely oblivious to their suffering.

Had Moore used a photo of the Chimp and Cheney yukkin' it up, while people were being tortured at their DIRECTION, that would have been reflective of the truth.



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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 01:46 AM
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13. I agree with you. NT
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 03:02 AM
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16. oops.
Edited on Thu May-14-09 03:02 AM by ZombieHorde
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 08:19 AM
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18. +1
One thing you can't accuse this President of....being lazy, or chilling out. Moore is wrong on this one.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:05 AM
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4. I don't believe that release of the photographs is required by law.
Edited on Thu May-14-09 12:07 AM by Occam Bandage
I could be wrong, but I believe he does have the legal authority to withhold the photographs for the time being. Which is not to say I approve of him doing so, of course, but I think the implication of "does not feel comfortable with following law" is false.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 08:22 AM
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19. However, it is required by "transparency"
I had friends who voted for Obama in a swing state precisely because he promised "transparency".

Apparently, now, "transparency" means, "Throw up brick walls, hide any wrongdoing, fight investigations of wrongdoing."

Some transparency.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:06 AM
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5. Obama isn't breaking the law.
They have the right to challenge a ruling.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:10 AM
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7. Yeah...Too bad we couldn't have all seen these on Memorial Day!
Honoring our soldiers who had nothing to do with this would do a great service to them and to the world!

I mean, we can always watch a snuff film afterwards, just to cap off the memorial in the evening!

After all, Shock and Awe is still In!
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:30 AM
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8. Very misleading by Moore
he is insinuating that while Obama leans back, prisoners are being abused on his watch. Really no need for this type of crap.
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Old Hank Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:34 AM
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9. One would have to live in Saturn to believe that Moore implied that Obama is torturing prisoners
To understand Moore's point it suffices to know that the photos Moore refers to are photos of prisoner abuse that occurred during the Bush administration.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:43 AM
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11. so why the pictures of Obama relaxing juxtaposed with the prisoner abuse?
What is the point of that? It's not there by coincidence.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:47 AM
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12. The point is that there are those for whom Obama über alles trumps the rule of law
Edited on Thu May-14-09 12:51 AM by depakid
And some of us have had quite enough of that sort of deal- no matter whose "team" we might be on.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 01:48 AM
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14. It is simpler than that. Obama did what he felt was right,
and the courts will decide what is right.

He didn't do anything unlawful, although he did flip flop on an earlier decision.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 02:27 AM
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15. horrific and despicable
I cannot stomach the responses on this thread. This has just gone too far.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:50 AM
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17. As much as I've agreed with Moore at times
This is ridiculous, petty and a cheap shot. If you disagree over the photos being released Moore, fine. But to link those photos that have nothing to do with each other, really proves what an ass you are.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:09 AM
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27. That is an artistic tactic called
juxstaposition. Don't like it? Who cares? You are the target audience for this piece. It upset you by design. It worked like a charm.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:19 AM
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20. we know torture was commited, why exactly do we want to publish these?
i have no use for torture porn.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:11 AM
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21. Wow....
...is that a kick in the butt from MM!

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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:28 AM
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22. Good for Michael Moore!

Not In My Name!:kick:Prosecute War Criminals!

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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:32 AM
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23. I think the juxtaposition makes sense - while Obama was campaigning
Edited on Thu May-14-09 10:32 AM by IdaBriggs
for transparency, real human beings were (and possibly still ARE) being tortured.

While President Obama has the freedom to lean back, where are the men in those photographs? Are they in small cells? Are they even still alive? Are they suffering from physical after affects caused by their torture? How about emotional damage?

Let me explain this Very Slowly:

Justice Delayed is Justice Denied.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:35 AM
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24. Justice Delayed is Justice Denied!

Wake Up America!:kick:Not In My Name!

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:01 AM
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26. Michael Moore is a great American
And those who can not face the juxtaposition of images, or those identical quotes about the photos from the Bush administration and the administration of change are simply uncomfortable themselves with the horrific crap they are defending.
Justice delayed is justice denied. You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:12 AM
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28. When's Moore going to be prosecuted for torturing logic?


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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:15 AM
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29. Where did Moore get those photos?
I figured the photos would surface sooner or later regardless of what Obama says or does. But it seems too soon for them to be leaked.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:39 AM
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32. Those are from the batch released in '04
There are more that haven't been released.

There's video footage, too.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:21 AM
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30. At least it SEEMS as if "Pres. Obama does not feel comfortable...
...with following law" ~ I hope we find that's not actually the case.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:27 AM
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31. So this is suppossed to imply that Obama is....lazy or something while prisoners were tortured?
Obama is not lazy, that was Bush. And he was not President when these tortures took place. So Moore is kind of off here. Sometimes I like Moore, sometimes he is over the top.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:26 PM
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35. I think this is meant to show how Obama has the freedom to relax comfortably
while the prisoners, the pictures of whom are being hidden, don't have that luxury. I'd say that Obama's discomfort vis a vi these pictures are not paramount on Michael Moore's mind and frankly it's not paramount on mine either. Release the pictures as per the judge and let's move to prosecute these bastards.

Regards
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:29 PM
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36. When does Obama ever have time to relax? LOL.
I still don't get the logic, its just incendiary. And I think the photos should be released. But this is kind a stupid use of pics.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 04:49 PM
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38. Don't get me wrong. I am a huge Michael Moore fan.
And I think most--or at least a lot-- of the time, he gets it right. But I think he's off-base here. This seems to imply that either President Obama is responsible for the torture and/or is lazy and not at least trying to be up to the task of the Presidency and what he was elected to do, which I don't think is fair. Even if you don't agree with everything he's done so far, I don't think anyone can fairly say the man isn't at least trying to be an effective leader who gets things done. Whereas, this little collage is reminiscent of something we'd seen from Michael during the Bush years (which was warranted then). I just don't think it's deserved or the best way to make the point.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 04:58 PM
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39. Again, Michael Moore is SPOT ON.
Edited on Thu May-14-09 04:59 PM by ShortnFiery
:thumbsup:
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 05:07 PM
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40. Remember the words of Jacqueline Kennedy...
"Let them see what they have done."
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