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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:28 PM Original message |
Poll question: Why Obama not publicizing the new torture photos is a BRILLIANT political move... |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. Brilliant. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. None of the above |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. You so know nothing. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Um, that was the point |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I know from the pronouncement |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Well, this is a discussion forum |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. Compared to your crystal ball? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Obama clearly defined on his second day that torture will not be allowed |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Unlikely |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
66. Actually they have...I saw a few unintentionally. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. DING DING DING DING DING |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. So does the President do investigations? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Considering he directed Justice to oppose the court's order, he can order investigations. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #23 |
81. You're kidding, right? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think Prez Obama |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
4. Hello? The MILITARY BRASS are the TORTURERS and/or ENABLERS. They are still IN CHARGE. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. The President doesn't do investigations. The Justice Department does. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. The President is ENABLING the Military Perpetrators to go unpunished by NOT releasing the photos. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. The Justice Department, which does investigations, has the evidence |
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Sanity Claws (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
43. Congress is also being pushed to investigate |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. You left out: Obama is now complicit in war crimes. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. How's that? By having the Justice Department have the evidence, it's his fault? |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Continuing secret renditions, coverup of existing criminal behavior, |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Presidents don't investigate. Why do you think they call it the Justice Department? |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
53. They did not stop all torture. See secret rendition. |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
70. Are police officers complicit in a murder when they withhold grisly crime scene photos? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
13. Is arguing the bush position in court on this issue and issuing |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
15. The rationalizations continue... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Tell me three reasons why it would be a good thing for Obama to release the torture photos... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Beacuse- quite the opposite of what Obama's asserted, it shows that the US is owning up |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. So should the Justice Department release all evidence in its pending cases? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. If it's material that ought to be disclosed pursuant to an FOIA request- absolutely |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
65. The sure-fire fastest way to disrupt & poison an investigation is to release the evidence too early |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 04:22 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. First of all, there aren't any pending cases |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
67. He said and done things that already show we're owning up. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 04:31 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. As it happens, General Karpinski agrees with my take |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #31 |
72. Odd way to rehabilitate our image. |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
71. What's sickening is the apparently strong desire to view graphic photos of torture, even when told.. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. Theory: If he DID release them now, some of the same people would still be outraged. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Oh dear, we've been uncovered! |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. Some Here Do For Sure... |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:29 AM Response to Reply #18 |
78. You know the old saying... |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
60. +2....(nt) |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
69. +200 n.t |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
21. barack obama is having his DOJ make arguments in court to prevent the release |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
22. You mean this isn't sarcasm? Good God (n/t) |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
24. Oh boy, whaT poll |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
26. I don't know if it is brilliant or not but all I see is a political calculation |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 05:51 AM Response to Reply #26 |
79. We kill innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan on a frequent |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
28. Well guess every political party has it's cheerleaders |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. So airing the photos on TV would do what good exactly for the Obama administration? |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
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Old Hank (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
34. So you think Obama lied about the problem being our National Security? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. If you read the options... |
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Old Hank (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. So then he shouldn't call it a "brilliant political move," if there was no other choice |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. In anything in DC and at the Presidential level, it's always "political" by nature |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
40. So, if you're opposed to torture, you're a "far left purist" |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Take a reading comprehension class if you get the chance |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. He just thinks torture is a policy difference |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Again, the White House doesn't investigate. The Justice Department does... and IS... |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Against the torture experts? I thought I heard some talk about a justice dept. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
44. Honestly? I have no idea |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
45. None of the above |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
46. none of the above |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
48. Plotting. Politically. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #48 |
73. I don't lament having a guy that is effective at the game he is playing |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
49. For once, a poll that has accurate choices! n/t |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
50. That's the MOST inane and absurd statement that I have read in a long time. nt. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
52. If you didn't already HAVE a gold star..... |
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Binka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 04:11 AM Response to Reply #52 |
74. Do You Have A Job |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
55. He listened to commanders on the ground !!! What McPain always |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
56. Other: Obama becomes part of the cover up of war crimes and crimes against humanity |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
57. Read this if you are bitching and moaning that we need to release the torture photos |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
58. Deleted sub-thread |
grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
59. President Obama doesn't want to have a major distraction when |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. i'm surprised more people haven't brought that up... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
61. It's so hard to keep any perspective.. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
63. I was even more convinced that he did the right thing when Big Eddie.. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
64. None of the above. |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 04:49 AM Response to Original message |
77. Pres Obama isn't a mind reader or someone playing with magical cards |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
80. Yeah as always the President is way ahead of us and only time reveals the virtue of his decisions. |
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