I am exhausted.. as much by the left as I am by the right..

Now Harry Reid is going to fight placing the Gitmo prisoners on American soil..

The Democrats are going to fight funding for Guantanamo..

Where the heck are we supposed to put these people.. on the moon?

Edit to add..

I am exhausted..as much by the democrats as I am by the rethuglicans

all they have to do is look at this legislation and realize that Democrats in the Senate, many of them who come from absolutely safe seats, are without any backbone at all.


The President is left to do all of the heavy lifting by himself.

We have a bunch of gutless wonders..

they're purposely fighting against the popular president of their own party. Go figure.

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DADT anyone? That's an executive order.

Overriding the military firing of an arabic language translater who happens to be gay? Executive order.

Doing anything more than wishy washy lip service is either a cabinet instruction or an Executive order. Wishy washy lip service is not heavy lifting.

Leadership is heavy lifting.

simply by refusing to prosecute a case.

It will require a completely new set of rules on fraternization, codes of conduct, disciplinary procedure.


It will require orders that will have to be sent out to hundreds of thousands of officers that will have to implement it.


It will also require substantive personnel changes regarding civil unions and dependents.


It also requires changing the culture of an institution with 3 million people.


It needs to be done but you cannot make a change with the significant ramifications by just suspending prosecutions, chaos would follow.


In the end it will be the President that does it because the Democrats in Congress are never going to give him any cover on any progressive action.


You may wonder, as I do, why Democrats who represent districts with 70% Democratic majorities help by taking the edge off for him, but they don't and he is left to do it all himself, as this legislation - which passed 90 -6 shows.

got dayum people are stupid. :eyes:

Look, leadership means STARTING the motherfucking process, not just sitting around saying oh garsh it's just too hard.

you damn skippy this world fulla stupid ass people.

You'd rather have a short-term solution for a long-term problem. And then when the next Republican president reverses Obama's executive order, we'll be right back where we started. But at least you got you wanted, right?

One can have an executive order governing the forced attrition AND a legislative effort, at the SAME time! Whodathunk. Oh but that would require, what? Leadership.

It sounds a bit like you need leadership, so I'll be happy to take it up for both of us. Sitting still and waiting for St. Obama to move in mysterious ways gets us no place at all.

The criticism is that Obama is not a brilliant leader, regardless of the example given here. I'd even go one step further to say he isn't particularly brilliant, period.

I'm disappointed, and old and evil enough to know that a dud full of Hope and Change is still a dud. Having been this harsh though, I am also willing to hold any permanent judgement until we assess where we are a year in and two years in.

There's no fool like an old fool. Especially an old fool who's given up on hope. But that's your problem, not mine. Just because you have no faith doesn't mean you have to take me down to the miserable pit of despair and dissapointment with you.

:eyes:

is everyone on this thread fucking retarded?

you and your snarky nasty self.

You could have been civil but you started off being a dick with a capital C. You are what you despise.

edited to add: and we really need to start having standards in the democratic party. I'd like to start with intelligence You really should be smarter than a fifth grader, or even an ugly fourth grader.

You're not about hope. You're about judgement but happy as a pig in shit to confuse the two.

Most, not all. But its enough to drag the Dems down when the Prez has to fight by himself out there all the time.

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Pelosi. Reid. They are NOT liberals. They are corporatists. PERIOD!

that anybody thats not inline with their thinking is a radical... lol

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

I`ll be extremely interested in the answer.

Call me when Harry Reid is considered someone from the "left".

:shrug:

He`s "left" of Cheney isn`t he?

Cheney never claimed to be a Democrat. Or a Senate Majority leader.

Harry's record is an odd mix of left and right. He's not as conservative as a lot of Blue Dogs and midwestern Dems, but he has some odd stances on issues like choice (obviously) and gay rights.

http://ontheissues.org/Senate/Harry_Reid.htm

His recent record is probably a little misleading, though, because some of his votes are procedural.

Ben Nelson and the BlueBalls would be irrelevant. Instead his spinelessness has enabled them to "control" the Senate.

I agree that Harry needs to be a stronger leader, but the Blue Dogs are a bigger voting blog than most of us will admit.

:)

Or wait...maybe I am going about that all wrong.

Anyone see Jon Stewarts clip last night of the guy talking about eating someone's brain.

:scared: , indeed!

And it made the perfect point. And I liked it when he said "Geez, they aren't warlocks!!"

Because that is what some are trying to do: make it look like these guys being kept at Guantanamo have some superpowers or voodoo magic.

You are exhausted by the right. If your idea of 'left' is Harry Reid, we have nothing to work with here at all. Reid is the left! Wow!

He is a wishy washy moderate who caves to the Republicanside in some, not all, issues

One might also look at the record and add "weak kneed" to the description.

And how is it that prison has not been turned into a radical madrassa?

What can they do in a US prison that they can't do in Gitmo? If they are wiley enough to plan terrorist crap in a US prison, you can bet they can do it anywhere.

I'm about fed up with Harry.

There is no "magic" place to put the Bush era mistakes.. we have to deal with them.. We did not make the mess, but we have to clean it up.

Seems we have very few hands on deck willing to do the clean up...but plenty of Lords and Ladies of the Manor, more than willing to carp how badly they think the clean up is going..

Too many chefs, not enough cooks... or busboys... or dishwashers...

think about it, it's on the water, far enough away from the coast of Cali...it could work.

Next they will reject Obama's choice for the Supreme Court.

what is the problem with trying these people and putting the guilty in jail? What is the difference between them and charlie manson? He's been safely locked away for years now. This not on American Soil shit is ridiculous. Everybody is looking at Obama, but we need to be blasting these senators daily! The buckled to bush's every demand, but now they stand against the President. Ridiculous! :grr:

States with the largest deficit, like CA or MI could approach the Federal government to build a maximum security jail in the middle of nowhere to house the Gitmo people, since the FBI directors is "concerned" about "gang rivalry."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8422004